Review of WH+ It's current state and it's potential

[Grotsmasha]

 

Pretty disappointed right now, H&B Ep 4 Fangs won't play for me, it keeps prompting me to "Subscribe", even though I'm signed in. It is only this Episode, all of the others work 

Not sure why it would matter, Grotsmasha, but Warhammer Community said this about Fangs:

”Viewers in Australia will unfortunately have to wait a few more days for this episode, but rest assured that it’s coming – and worth the wait.”

 

I’m assuming that’s what’s causing the problem - go figure.

 

 

Thanks for the heads u :tu:

[Bryan Blaire]

Thanks for the heads u

Just seems like GW could be a little more communicative about why…

[Grotsmasha]

 

Thanks for the heads u

Just seems like GW could be a little more communicative about why…

 

 

Yeah. I mean it's a digital product, that has had no issues being delivered on time for EVERY other piece of content, what cloud possibly be the reason, considering the other new stuff was accessible....

[Domhnall]

 

 

Thanks for the heads u

Just seems like GW could be a little more communicative about why…

 

 

Yeah. I mean it's a digital product, that has had no issues being delivered on time for EVERY other piece of content, what cloud possibly be the reason, considering the other new stuff was accessible....

 

 

 

It could be something as silly as censorship. There might be an instance of a character saying or doing something that is questionable to the Australian review board* but is fine everywhere else. If it's available in most places, and not in one place, then it's most likely something to do with that one place, most likely hoop jumping exercises. 

On a similar vein, somebody in the WH+ might not have 'did the thing' on time, so that why it's late.

 

* - Whatever the bureaucratic group is involved for online content censorship.

[MegaVolt87]

Can anyone confirm if the WD's on W+ have the rules content scraped from them? I have heard conflicting reports about that. 

[lhg033]

Any particular issue/rules you are looking for?

A quick glance as an example and 460 has the Silver Templars stuff all included as far as I can tell.

[Doghouse]

Wasn't it older edition rules that were removed?

[lhg033]

May 2018 seems to be the oldest I can access at the moment. There are rules in there for Necromunda (Venator bands) and AoS. I cant see any for 40k rules but then it may not have any. Codex: deathwatch and Harelquins seem to be the 40k release of the time.

 

(there is also an AoS paint splatter for painting a Fangmore Eel that might translate well for anyone working on big squigs)

[Noserenda]

Have they added those WD rules to the 40k App yet? Last i looked they had not (specifically Fallen)  if someone could check rather than me making room to download it again please :) 

[lhg033]

Just had a quick look - I can add Cypher and Fallen units in a list in the app. Looks like it is complete to me if you go into the 'card' option for the unit. Points, Power levels and  and stat lines/rules for each weapon and ability.

 

I couldnt say if these are the WD rules or from another source though. (I dont own any of the chaos codex's though to have them from here)

[Noserenda]

Thanks for checking, those are all from the codex, it's the special detachment letting you take fallen sorcerers and rhino's that was missing before :)

[The Neverborn]

I was thinking about this today.

 

I'm not sure WH+  actually needs to be especially good or even profitable at all to add GW.

 

I think someone mentioned the ubiquitous as-a-service "gold-rush" is a re-tread of the cable-tv gold rush of the early 00's. As long as GW find something good to say, even if that's just that we have one; or we went from 50,000 subscribers to 52,000... 2.5% year on  whatever growth, I think it adds to the company.

 

I think Kevin is trying everything he can to expand what GW do, there's going to be a upper limit on how many people will play table-top games. It won't be especially popular forever, when my Dad was in his teen every kid, man and his dog collected stamps, now that market is super niche. At GWs position and current price-points, diversifying their portfolio, is probably the best, if not only growth avenue they have left.

 

Kevin's a cleaver cookie!

 

That said it is probably an oversaturated market. But i don't blame them. I've been in the hobby for 25 years and if i was CEO, tasked with yearly growth. I don't have a better idea, diversify, reduce operating costs, improve margins. And next year do it all slightly better and so on and so on.     

Edited November 17, 2021 by Battle Brother Abderus

[MegaVolt87]

I see it as Roundtree grudgingly shuffling his feet in response to the changing market doing the bare minimum to change the traditional GW business model. The current WH+ is clearly underfunded and lacking experienced employees to make it what it should be. GW it seems is more concerned with filling gaps than the quality of what they put there.

[ThePenitentOne]

Angels of Death spoilers- beware:

 

 

The deread vs the patriarch is going to be cool- it's a nice match up... But the stealers on the elevator should have taken out at least one Marine to keep the threat level high and add suspense. If I'd been in charge, the cult gunners at the top of the elevator would have taken another, but I'm okay with that. Purestrains though... Definitely should have been a casualty. Haven't these animators ever played Space Hulk?

 

 

Haven't watched it yet, but looking forward to Loremasters Be'Lakor.

[Domhnall]

I see it as Roundtree grudgingly shuffling his feet in response to the changing market doing the bare minimum to change the traditional GW business model. The current WH+ is clearly underfunded and lacking experienced employees to make it what it should be. GW it seems is more concerned with filling gaps than the quality of what they put there.

 

I can't disagree with the thought that WH+ is underfunded and lacking experience. They've gone in too soft and too slow. When you've got something you want to start like this, you need to start off strong. If you've got a good start, you are more likely to be forgiven for continuing slowly. 

A few series of the animations available from the start, and the slow release wouldn't have been so bad. I remember when I first got netflix over 10 years ago, it had a whole load of utter drivel, with more drivel being released every week. But there were gems to be found, so it was fine. 

 

But as Battle Brother Abderus said, as long as they have it, it's a good thing. It doesn't need to be a runaway success, as long as it gains each year. 

[Subtleknife]

I think the better approach would have been to go the Netflix Dota/LoL route. Warhammer + could then have been a sub service that for a monthly fee you get all codex access (which gets updated) with a better functioning list builder than you get now. Edited November 18, 2021 by Subtleknife

[Orange Knight]

I think the better approach would have been to go the Netflix Dota/LoL route. Warhammer + could then have been a sub service that for a monthly fee you get all codex access (which gets updated) with a better functioning list builder than you get now.

This is possible, but the price would have to substantially increase. Some people are buying 3-4 codex books a year. I usually pick up 3 or so, for my various armies.

 

I don't think we should compare Warhammer+ to Netflix, but instead compare it to the various "Premium" content creators like Tabletop tactics, Striking Scorpion, etc.

[Subtleknife]

 

I think the better approach would have been to go the Netflix Dota/LoL route. Warhammer + could then have been a sub service that for a monthly fee you get all codex access (which gets updated) with a better functioning list builder than you get now.

This is possible, but the price would have to substantially increase. Some people are buying 3-4 codex books a year. I usually pick up 3 or so, for my various armies.

 

I don't think we should compare Warhammer+ to Netflix, but instead compare it to the various "Premium" content creators like Tabletop tactics, Striking Scorpion, etc.

I'm not comparing Netflix to Warhammer +.

 

Throw in some battle report and lore videos etc along with codexes etc. That is what warhammer + should have been imo. It depends on how you look at money but I wouldnt say a 5 to 7 pound increase is substantial but others might see it differently

 

 

Netflix would be a whole different thing and should have been where they did TV shows.

[MegaVolt87]

 

I think the better approach would have been to go the Netflix Dota/LoL route. Warhammer + could then have been a sub service that for a monthly fee you get all codex access (which gets updated) with a better functioning list builder than you get now.

This is possible, but the price would have to substantially increase. Some people are buying 3-4 codex books a year. I usually pick up 3 or so, for my various armies.

 

I don't think we should compare Warhammer+ to Netflix, but instead compare it to the various "Premium" content creators like Tabletop tactics, Striking Scorpion, etc.

 

 

I think you would be in a shrinking minority IMO. One rulebook + codex for your main and leaning on battle scribe or "digital copies" for your other side armies is more than sufficient to get you by each edition. At $10 a month sub, all access to every codex, the rulebook + the list builder is an incredible deal. 3 year edition, 3(10x12)= $360 vs the 84+110= $194 over three years in comparison with the reliance of the traditional hardcopy GW is fighting a losing battle to keep relevant. GW is asleep at the wheel on its rules distribution whichever way you slice it. I would definitely be interested on a sub model if it worked like I mentioned. ($AUD prices)

Edited November 18, 2021 by MegaVolt87

[phandaal]

I'm not comparing Netflix to Warhammer +.

 

Throw in some battle report and lore videos etc along with codexes etc. That is what warhammer + should have been imo. It depends on how you look at money but I wouldnt say a 5 to 7 pound increase is substantial but others might see it differently

 

 

Netflix would be a whole different thing and should have been where they did TV shows.

Seems like GW wanted to be their own version of Netflix though. They picked a bad time to do it when the streaming market has plateaued.

 

Also there is competition for limited eyeball space plus the hole GW dug themselves by giving fan content creators "offers they could not refuse."

 

Eyeball space - with social media and an abundance of existing Warhammer entertainment falling squarely within Fair Use, it is less of "is this good" and more of "is this better than what I already wanted to look at?" People are saturated with stuff to look at these days, Warhammer or otherwise.

 

Digging a hole - starting off with a deficit of goodwill is not the best way to make a first impression.

[MegaVolt87]

Oh, it would also help if GW didn't call this "loremasters" as this article de-values the whole segment because this puffery piece de-values the quality of the actual segment they are trying to get me to pay for.  SMH, what are they doing such a dumb way to do that.  https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/17/which-chaos-god-does-belakor-really-serve/

Edited November 18, 2021 by MegaVolt87

[The Neverborn]

I think the better approach would have been to go the Netflix Dota/LoL route. Warhammer + could then have been a sub service that for a monthly fee you get all codex access (which gets updated) with a better functioning list builder than you get now.

 

Call me a miserable old cynic but if GW ever did throw codexs into WH+, it would remove a money making incentive for GW to publish releases frequently, as they can't sell 10,000s or 100,000s of codex-product with every release. A cynical person would say the result being we would be back to mid 00's of using codxes that are 2 maybe 3 editions out of date.

 

So yeah it's probably gonna happen. 

Edited November 20, 2021 by Battle Brother Abderus

[Subtleknife]

 

 

I think the better approach would have been to go the Netflix Dota/LoL route. Warhammer + could then have been a sub service that for a monthly fee you get all codex access (which gets updated) with a better functioning list builder than you get now.

Call me a miserable old cynic but if GW ever did throw codexs into WH+, it would remove a money making incentive for GW to publish releases frequently, as they can't sell 10,000s or 100,000s of codex-product with every release. A cynical person would say the result being we would be back to mid 00's of using codxes that are 2 maybe 3 editions out of date.

 

So yeah it's probably gonna happen.

Well it depends on what they charge for warhammer + (if it was a codex service). A estimate would need to be carried out obviously. They might potentially make more as people will pay for the convenience of having their codex up to date. The money making incentive would still be there as they need to keep people subbed. You could also split it where codex have lore etc in and the sub model just has rules.

[Taliesin]

Its gonna be interesting to see what they will come up with animation wise the next few weeks now that AoD is complete.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Finished AoD. Definately liked it the best than their other animations so far (excluding Astartes, that's very much a special case)