Havok13 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 It states that the barer of the armour of russ has a 2+ save characteristic. Therefore if that model also got a storm shield, which states +1 to armour saving throws, then he would be on a 1+ armour save. Is this right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371470-question-on-armour-of-russ-and-a-storm-shield-interaction/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven 19 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 No, because saving throws of 1 always fail, it is the same as a 2+ save when in cover, you just get to ignore the first point of AP. BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371470-question-on-armour-of-russ-and-a-storm-shield-interaction/#findComment-5735811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominoris Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 It states that the barer of the armour of russ has a 2+ save characteristic. Therefore if that model also got a storm shield, which states +1 to armour saving throws, then he would be on a 1+ armour save. Is this right? Yes it is. Just remember that natural rolls of 1 always fail but you are at 1+ armor save for AP purposes. Havok13 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371470-question-on-armour-of-russ-and-a-storm-shield-interaction/#findComment-5735813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havok13 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 Yeah, sorry I understand that. I just realised that individual described above would get the same save as a terminator with a storm shield 1+ save. Obviously 1 always fails but you can ignore first point of ap. I had been playing as 2+ save with the storm shield. Lord Raven 19 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371470-question-on-armour-of-russ-and-a-storm-shield-interaction/#findComment-5735816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Which leads to some hilarity when you remember that per the rules, only unmodded 1s are auto-fails. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371470-question-on-armour-of-russ-and-a-storm-shield-interaction/#findComment-5740942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Given that Chainswords are AP-1, I think there is definite value in 1+ saves to help protect your Character(s) from the units that can throw buckets of dice at them. BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371470-question-on-armour-of-russ-and-a-storm-shield-interaction/#findComment-5740953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallas Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Which leads to some hilarity when you remember that per the rules, only unmodded 1s are auto-fails. Well, Storm Shields add +1 to the saving throw roll, not the save characteristic. So that 'modified ones' loophole has been closed. Oxydo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371470-question-on-armour-of-russ-and-a-storm-shield-interaction/#findComment-5743467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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