Saga of the Goethi Slayers (response to GK and Tsons meta)

TiguriusX · September 11, 2021

Here is a first draft response to the current meta of Grey Knights and Thousand Sons

Fluff

The Sons of Russ are notorious across all of the Imperium for their deeds on Prospero

When Cawl was tasked with his gene seed project he wanted to see how close he could get to recreating the legends

A space wolf successor chapter known as the Goethi Slayers was born as the result of his efforts

Fenrisians already harbor a distrust and hatred for psykers or "goethi" in their native tongue. It was a simple matter to find the most extreme subjects among his stock and place them together.

The successor chapter was also given additional support by the Officio Assassinorum and is usually tasked with slaying high priority targets.

In return for these resources the Chapter swore a simple oath

When the Officio Assassinorum identifies a target worthy of our efforts we will help them to track and eliminate it

You will find no psykers in this chapter. Their hatred of psykers rivals that of the Black Templars.

What you will find instead are an endless supply of berserker warriors who tap into their rage in combat.

On rare occasions a berserker will become lost to his rage and become a wulfen

This does not bother the Goethi Slayers...a berserker who has become a wulfen can kill psykers even better than before

The Goethi Slayers

*since I am in the early experimental phase I am not limiting myself to models I own

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [58 PL, 8CP, 1,103pts] ++

+ Configuration [12CP] +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [12CP]

Detachment Command Cost

+ Stratagems [-3CP] +

A Trophy Bestowed [-1CP]

Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics [-1CP]

Thane of the Retinue [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot [3 PL, 40pts] +

Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]

. Company Veteran [20pts]: 2x Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades

. Company Veteran Sergeant [20pts]: 2x Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Agents of the Imperium [5 PL, 100pts] +

Callidus Assassin [5 PL, 100pts]: Neural Shredder, Phase Sword, Poison Blades

+ HQ [8 PL, -1CP, 155pts] +

Chapter Master [8 PL, -1CP, 155pts]: Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Chapter Master [2 PL, 40pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Hunter, Jump Pack [1 PL, 25pts], Lightning Claw (Pair) [5pts], Master of the Codex, Stratagem: Warrior of Legend [-1CP], The Armour of Russ, Warlord

+ Troops [6 PL, 120pts] +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator [96pts]: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant [24pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites [14 PL, 278pts] +

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 139pts]: Jump Pack [1 PL, 10pts]

. Wolf Guard [26pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw [3pts], Storm shield [4pts]

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader [25pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw [3pts], Lightning Claw [3pts]

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 139pts]: Jump Pack [1 PL, 10pts]

. Wolf Guard [26pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw [3pts], Storm shield [4pts]

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader [25pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw [3pts], Lightning Claw [3pts]

+ Fast Attack [10 PL, 200pts] +

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Heavy Support [12 PL, 210pts] +

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil [10pts]

. Eliminator Sergeant [25pts]: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine, Morkai's Teeth Bolts

. 2x Eliminators [50pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Whirlwind [7 PL, 125pts]: Whirlwind castellan launcher

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [47 PL, -3CP, 897pts] ++

+ Configuration [-2CP] +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

+ HQ [7 PL, -1CP, 140pts] +

Primaris Chaplain on Bike [7 PL, -1CP, 140pts]: 2. Catechism of Fire, 6. Canticle of Hate (Aura), Absolver Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity [1 PL, 25pts], Crozius arcanum, Frag & Krak grenades, Litany of Hate, Reliquary of Gathalamor, Rites of War, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter [-1CP], Twin Bolt rifle

+ Troops [6 PL, 120pts] +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator [96pts]: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant [24pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites [15 PL, 297pts] +

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 140pts]: Jump Pack [1 PL, 10pts]

. Wolf Guard [26pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw [3pts], Storm shield [4pts]

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader [26pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw [3pts], Storm shield [4pts]

Wulfen [8 PL, 157pts]

. Wulfen Pack Leader [27pts]: Wulfen Frost claws [5pts]

. 2x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield [76pts]: 2x Storm Shield, 2x Thunder Hammer [32pts]

. 2x Wulfen w/ Wulfen frost claws [54pts]: 2x Wulfen Frost claws [10pts]

+ Fast Attack [6 PL, 115pts] +

Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]

. Cyberwolf [15pts]: Teeth and claws

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Heavy Support [10 PL, 170pts] +

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil [10pts]

. Eliminator Sergeant [25pts]: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine

. 2x Eliminators [50pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil [10pts]

. Eliminator Sergeant [25pts]: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine

. 2x Eliminators [50pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

+ Dedicated Transport [3 PL, 55pts] +

Land Speeder Storm [3 PL, 55pts]: Cerberus launcher, Heavy bolter

++ Total: [105 PL, 5CP, 2,000pts] ++

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Ok let me break down the theory behind the working parts

Specific anti psyker tools

GK and Tsons have all kinds of teleport and relocation tricks. Turn all that off with 2 units of infiltrators and their 12" bubble of NO

The specific psyker counter requires 2 CP pre game to swap the callidus to a culexus

The psyker and the chaplain combine to form a -3 cast bubble with an 18" radius (huuuuuge if I can push midboard)

Any failed casts then have a 4+ chance of inflicting d3 mortal wounds

I am hoping this basically turns off their psychic phase and even prevents the GK purify secondary from working

If a character ends up clinging to life with 2 wounds I have 3 snipers to try and finish the job

Melee tools

3 WG

1 wulfen

Reroll all hits for double exploding 6s and reroll wounds for reliable buckets of dice.

They have been battle tested in other sagas and work great.

The goal behind this melee build is slowly trading over the course of the game

Chapter master slaps a unit for reroll all hits and sends them off as a kamikaze unit

I expect the kamikaze to annihilate a target midfield to deny scoring from an objective and then die in return

Repeat 2-3 turns

Shooting tools

Here is a major change from my prior lists

I have been brainstorming alternative shooting units...LF and MM are inefficient against MSU squads

Plasma inceptors work but felt too expensive at 240

My usual shooting also struggled with transport spam like DE

Time to experiment with suppressors!!!

9 S7 shots per unit...good for infantry or transports or even dreadnoughts

Trading AP and high damage for volume

I can make up the BS 4 shooting with CM reroll all

I can make up the low S with catechism of fire

As a bonus I can basically turn off all infantry based overwatch with this many shots

And finally...these units have 48" range

I have seen good players stay outside the range limitations of my LFs (24") and inceptors (18") and use it to their advantage. I hope to do the same

When I need a little more pop I have 6 las fusils to add to the shooting phase

The fire and fade hopefully keeps me alive all game by not exposing me to return fire

Recap

27 S7 AP1 D2 shots

6 S8 AP3 D3

Decent volume into transports or for MSU killing

I will struggle into T8 like knights...but I should have enough tools to kill all their support units and then play around the big unit instead

Finally I have added a whirlwind

Without a rune priest I no longer have murderous hurricane...the whirlwind brings it back at the cost of CP

As an alternative I can rain shots on units hidden on an objective all game to try and remove them

Finally...when playing GK or TSons I can put the whirlwind in front to eat bolters and the occasional spell that gets through the anti psyker bubble

1 turn is all I need to push the melee units closer

Character tools

The chapter master is a support hero

He hopefully generates CP with master of the codex

He also buffs a unit with reroll all hits before they go into danger

Finally he has the armor of russ in case somebody tries to rush into my lines...with all the WG nearby he can deter many threats

Late game he will join the final push forward

I like the damage output of the frost claw build but the overall game style in this list is play the trading game and win on points

Chaplain is another support hero

He can buff the shooting units early game

With OBSEC he can turbo 20" and deny or steal points late game when my opponent has run out of units to respond

He also has the anti psyker relic in case I get one of those matchups

Assassin

Default is the callidus. I have a slow defensive army so the hope is I stop early rush tactics by costing them more CP

I hope for a low roll when deep striking to drop in close and steal a vulnerable objective...whirlwind can help with this too

Against psykers I swap to the culexus

General utility

This list also provides a ton of reserve flexibility

If I need my melee to avoid enemy artillery I can put all 3 WG and the wulfen into reserve for 1 CP

I then bring them near the chaplain with an auto canticle of hate and 20" turboboost and hope I roll 7s with wulfen reroll nearby to shove them immediately into combat

I can do the same thing with my suppressors if I want to pick off backfield units...I put them in reserve for free and wait for the whirlwind and callidus to clear some space

List has been officially entered so hopefully I have batreps next week

Edited September 11, 2021 by TiguriusX

Jorin Helm-splitter · September 11, 2021

I'm really curious to see how the Las fusil do, I only ran the bolter variant of eliminators because of how well they worked in 8th. They're definitely worth testing.

CCE1981 · September 11, 2021

No Hounds of Morkai?

Tokugawa · September 11, 2021

With default 1cp/turn gaining, and less turn1 alpha strike shooting armies in 9th, the cp taxing of Callidus is weaker now.

Maybe just straightly start with Culexus in your list, would cause less activations of the 2cp switch, and save you more cp on average. Culexus could also be an fight last trick, or tank some heavy hits.

TiguriusX · September 12, 2021

No Hounds of Morkai?

They don't fit my army and I have no elite slots to spare.

I need to field test all of this but I think a character like the culexis might be easier to keep alive in the psyker games as well.

It has the character protection rule and a 4++

TiguriusX · September 12, 2021

With default 1cp/turn gaining, and less turn1 alpha strike shooting armies in 9th, the cp taxing of Callidus is weaker now.

Maybe just straightly start with Culexus in your list, would cause less activations of the 2cp switch, and save you more cp on average. Culexus could also be an fight last trick, or tank some heavy hits.

The callidus has 2 things I want to test

1-Hitting a weakly defended rear and grabbing an objective

My army is a midfield fighting force. I won't be going after their rear objectives unless I plow through their army first.

The whirlwind and the callidus give me the potential to steal a rear point away

The whirlwind can hopefully pop a hole in the weak screening units and then the variable DS distance of the callidus can help me when I drop in on turn 3

I vividly remember it being done against me before where I thought I had everything screened out and an enemy callidus landed directly on my objective and flipped the game

2-Late game melee

I can activate the callidus special for 2 CP late game and have some game breaking potential

When I finally make my push with my forces from behind the walls I don't want my opponent countering me

Even if my opponent saves 2 CP to interrupt or do something special there is a 50% chance the reign of confusion counters it (4+ to require additional CP or they fail and CP spent is wasted)

The culexus is too specific to psykers to be my base assassin selection

This list is about trading and playing for the late game scoring

I want the chapter master gaining as much CP as possible

I want assault doctrine without having to spend CP

I then want my chaplain alive to turbo boost with OBSEC to steal things

late game flipping of the score is going to be huge...if the callidus is still alive then my odds increase

CCE1981 · September 12, 2021

A Unit of 5x hounds costs 110 pts for outflank, ignore “look out sir” with +1 to hit and damage vs psykers, psykers take -1 to cast within 18”, and get a 4++ from psychic phase mortal wounds. That sound fairly nice for what you are looking for.

TiguriusX · September 12, 2021

A Unit of 5x hounds costs 110 pts for outflank, ignore “look out sir” with +1 to hit and damage vs psykers, psykers take -1 to cast within 18”, and get a 4++ from psychic phase mortal wounds. That sound fairly nice for what you are looking for.

nope...how do I get them where I want?

I don't use transports

they are too slow to move forward somewhere useful without getting shot. GK and TS have good shooting and will easily kill them off.

Outflank puts them on a board edge instead of midfield. That basically makes half their anti psyker bubble useless

The assassin can run behind a vehicle and get character protection or deep strike in. Both of those give me the ability to shove my anti psyker bubble down the middle

TiguriusX · September 17, 2021

Pod 13

Round 1

Map-Priority Target v IH Successor (Red Scorpions)

My army

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [58 PL, 9CP, 1,108pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

+ Stratagems +

A Trophy Bestowed [-1CP]

Thane of the Retinue [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]

. Company Veteran: 2x Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades

. Company Veteran Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Agents of the Imperium +

Callidus Assassin [5 PL, 100pts]: Neural Shredder, Phase Sword, Poison Blades

+ HQ +

Chapter Master [8 PL, -1CP, 155pts]: Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Chapter Master, Frag & Krak grenades, Hunter, Jump Pack, Lightning Claw (Pair), Master of the Codex, Stratagem: Warrior of Legend, The Armour of Russ, Warlord

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites +

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 139pts]: Jump Pack

. Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 139pts]: Jump Pack

. Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw

+ Fast Attack +

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine, Morkai's Teeth Bolts

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Whirlwind [7 PL, 130pts]: Hunter-killer missile, Whirlwind castellan launcher

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [48 PL, -4CP, 892pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

+ Stratagems +

Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics

+ HQ +

Primaris Chaplain on Bike [7 PL, -1CP, 140pts]: 2. Catechism of Fire, 6. Canticle of Hate (Aura), Absolver Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Crozius arcanum, Frag & Krak grenades, Litany of Hate, Reliquary of Gathalamor, Rites of War, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Twin Bolt rifle

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites +

Wulfen [8 PL, 146pts]

. Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws

. Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer

. 3x Wulfen w/ Wulfen frost claws: 3x Wulfen Frost claws

Wulfen [8 PL, 146pts]

. Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws

. Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer

. 3x Wulfen w/ Wulfen frost claws: 3x Wulfen Frost claws

+ Fast Attack +

Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]

. Cyberwolf: Teeth and claws

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

+ Dedicated Transport +

Land Speeder Storm [3 PL, 55pts]: Cerberus launcher, Heavy bolter

++ Total: [106 PL, 5CP, 2,000pts] ++

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His army

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Iron Hands) [64 PL, 9CP, 1,155pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Inheritors of the Primarch, Iron Hands Successor, Red Scorpions

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

+ HQ +

Carab Culln the Risen [14 PL, 265pts]

Primaris Techmarine [4 PL, 80pts]: Adept of the Omnissiah, Fortis-Pattern Data Spike, Warlord

+ Troops +

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]

. 4x Incursor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades

. Incursor Sergeant

+ Elites +

Leviathan Dreadnought [13 PL, -1CP, 240pts]: 2x Twin Volkite calivers, Storm cannon array, Storm cannon array

Leviathan Dreadnought [13 PL, -1CP, 220pts]: 2x Twin Volkite calivers, Grav-flux bombard

. Leviathan siege claw

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 75pts]: Bolt sniper rifle

. Eliminator Sergeant: Instigator Bolt Carbine

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Sicaran Arcus [10 PL, -1CP, 170pts]: Heavy bolter, Storm bolter

++ Vanguard Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Iron Hands) [44 PL, -4CP, 845pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Inheritors of the Primarch, Iron Hands Successor, Red Scorpions

Detachment Command Cost [-3CP]

+ HQ +

Techmarine [4 PL, 70pts]: Boltgun, Omnissian power axe, Servo-arm

+ Elites +

Leviathan Dreadnought [13 PL, -1CP, 220pts]: 2x Twin Volkite calivers, Grav-flux bombard

. Leviathan siege claw

Redemptor Dreadnought [9 PL, 185pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Icarus Rocket Pod, Macro Plasma Incinerator, Onslaught Gatling Cannon

++ Total: [108 PL, 5CP, 2,000pts] ++

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Pregame & Deployment

First time using the new list and I run against a hard counter...tons of T7 dreads that I no longer have strong anti tank for. I don't expect this to be pretty

This will force me to play the mission and be good training.

Priority

ROD

Stranglehold

He picks

Priority

Stranglehold

To the last

Cullen

Leviathan (SC)

Leviathan 1

He puts everything on the line as close as possible to me

During deployment I see a TON of bodies...I made this list to have lots of units but it feels like too many during my first ever deployment

I put following in reserve

WG1

WG2

Suppressor1

Wulfen (cost me a CP)

BATREP

I win roll for first turn...didn't want it

Chapter master fails to generate a CP

I do a ROD action with infiltrators right side

I start my new saga by making lots of mistakes forgetting to move/fire eliminators in proper order

I fire the front eliminators who are unable to fall back b/c rear guys are blocking them

Opponent is very kind and lets me fix it

Other eliminators have lost their hiding spot b/c I stupidly moved incursors up and filled their fall back spot behind the wall.

Ooops!

LOL at me with new list on turn 1 already

I clearly don't have the forward thinking skills required to play it yet

His turn

He gets 12 shots with his arcus and obliterates my LS

He kills the eliminators I left out in the open too

He also gets an angle with just enough to see the forward infiltrators hiding behind the crate

I transhuman but he gets hot and wipes them

My list is supposed to trade efficiently...that was not a good turn of trading

Turn 2

CM fails to generate a CP again

I drop WG1 to do a ROD action

Cyberwolf advances to the middle objective

I repeat the stupid elminator mistake and block green squad from falling back

They are stuck in the open b/c CM walked forward

OMG this is hilarious...and maybe a side effect of playing a 4am start...heheh

He blasts the crap out of all units in the open and I lose another eliminator...doh

Turn 3

CM fails to generate a CP again

I have an all or nothing turn coming up

3 lucky things work

(1) Callidus rolls 1 for close DS to incursors on his rear

I drop WG2 Wulfen1 and Suppressor1 near his backlines as well

(2) WG2 make a 9" charge and wipe his incursors in rear

Callidus kills the nearby techmarine and I steal his rear objective away

In middle melee the 4 WG get savage strike and dump 10 wounds after saves and FNP on leviathan

(3) CM finishes the job making most of his 5+ to wound and kills a leviathan

Company veterans walk into middle objective with OBSEC help from chaplain

I get stranglehold and bonus priority targets

His turn

He makes me pay and pushes DEEP into my lines with his dread HQ

He kills my CM on the final failed save shooting

He then charges my chaplain with a leviathan and his dread HQ

I need my chaplain to live and give him transhuman

He rolls poorly and I only have 1 save to make

I have 3 wounds remaining and he does 4 damage a swing

I roll a 3 and get sad

If I had lived I have obsec and keep it

He has 2 dreads and only 1 of my eliminators is touching the objective through the wall so I lose it

Turn 4

*In real life we stopped after turn 3 and picked up a few days later

I sent him a screen shot telling him what I would do and the expected outcome if he wanted to save time. He asked to play it out instead. Good call by him and he ended up with 10 more points than I predicted.

I realize I made a mistake with my callidus...when I killed the techmarine I forgot to declare the assassin stratagem to get a CP for killing characters

Would have given my chaplain the CP he needs for a reroll on that last wound!!!

More new list mistakes...DOH

I am basically playing for points and move around to get stranglehold and my forward suppressors drop a ROD on his table quarter

I line up lots of ranged shooting at his techmarine but he uses transhuman and the first few salvos do nothing so I stop wasting time

His turn

I just pull models when he attacks instead of rolling dice and he tables me

Turn 5

I'm basically all dead and don't bother moving

He moves to score what he can

Final & Recap

70-95

SW defeat

I forgot what it is like to play a list you are not familiar with and made sooooo many noob type mistakes.

Getting practice reps with the SAME units is a big deal people!!!

It would have been nice to have additional las fusil shots every round to chip away at my opponent instead of throwing them away.

I also need more practice playing the ROD secondary. I need to plan ahead to put units in position to do the action. I got all these free jump pack units and didn't use them properly

The suppressors should have droped in the top right quadrant instead of top left

Finally...target priority needs work

I killed the 1 leviathan that was NOT a ToTheLast guy...doh

As for my list performance...chapter master went 0/3 generating CP in his initial game. I thought that was funny

I probably should have kept my wulfen up close to just charge into his dreads and not care if I die.

I need more practice so I know who I can throw away and when I can do it.

For a first time field test in a competitive environment I'm happy.

Room for improvement!

Jorin Helm-splitter · September 17, 2021

That game looked brutal but like you said you need more reps and it was a hard counter to your strategy. Hopefully you get another shot at list like it while your evaluating this playstyle because on the physical table top this style of list will be popular. That said scoring 70 pts is pretty impressive with a list your unfamiliar with, more so considering the pressure your opponent put on you.

I don't know if your pods let you keep track of the results of other players, but it may be worth following his list and seeing how it does vs. TS & GK. I'm far from a competitive TS player but that list would be a handful.

TiguriusX · September 23, 2021

T5S2 GT

Round 1 v Dark Angels

Map-Surround & Destroy

My army (Goethi Slayers version 2...includes better anti tank shooting)

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [60 PL, 10CP, 1,170pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

+ Stratagems +

A Trophy Bestowed [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]

. Company Veteran: 2x Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades

. Company Veteran Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Agents of the Imperium +

Callidus Assassin [5 PL, 100pts]: Neural Shredder, Phase Sword, Poison Blades

+ HQ +

Chapter Master [8 PL, -1CP, 155pts]: Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Chapter Master, Frag & Krak grenades, Hunter, Jump Pack, Lightning Claw (Pair), Master of the Codex, Stratagem: Warrior of Legend, The Armour of Russ, Warlord

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites +

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 140pts]: Jump Pack

. Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 140pts]: Jump Pack

. Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

+ Fast Attack +

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Heavy Support +

Eradicator Squad [7 PL, 150pts]: Heavy melta rifle

. 2x Eradicator: 2x Bolt pistol

. Eradicator Sgt: Bolt pistol

Whirlwind [7 PL, 125pts]: Whirlwind castellan launcher

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [44 PL, -5CP, 829pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

+ Stratagems +

Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics

Thane of the Retinue [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Primaris Chaplain on Bike [7 PL, -1CP, 140pts]: 2. Catechism of Fire, 6. Canticle of Hate (Aura), Absolver Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Crozius arcanum, Frag & Krak grenades, Litany of Hate, Reliquary of Gathalamor, Rites of War, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Twin Bolt rifle

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites +

Wulfen [8 PL, 157pts]

. Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws

. 2x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: 2x Storm Shield, 2x Thunder Hammer

. 2x Wulfen w/ Wulfen frost claws: 2x Wulfen Frost claws

Wulfen [8 PL, 157pts]

. Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws

. 2x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: 2x Storm Shield, 2x Thunder Hammer

. 2x Wulfen w/ Wulfen frost claws: 2x Wulfen Frost claws

+ Fast Attack +

Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]

. Cyberwolf: Teeth and claws

Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]

. Cyberwolf: Teeth and claws

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine, Morkai's Teeth Bolts

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

+ Dedicated Transport +

Land Speeder Storm [3 PL, 55pts]: Cerberus launcher, Heavy bolter

++ Total: [104 PL, 5CP, 1,999pts] ++

His army

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [56 PL, -4CP, 1,100pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Dark Angels

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

+ HQ +

Ezekiel [7 PL, 125pts]: 1) Mind Worm, 2) Aversion, 3) Righteous Repugnance, Frag & Krak grenades, The Deliverer, Traitor's Bane

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites +

Leviathan Dreadnought [13 PL, -1CP, 245pts]: 2x Twin Volkite calivers, Cyclonic melta lance, Hunter-killer missile

. Leviathan siege drill: Meltagun

Relic Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, -1CP, 175pts]: Cyclone missile launcher, 2x Twin volkite culverin

+ Fast Attack +

Outrider Squad [6 PL, 150pts]

. 2x Outrider: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Twin Bolt rifle

. Outrider Sgt: Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Twin Bolt rifle

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 75pts]: Bolt sniper rifle

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

+ Flyer +

Ravenwing Dark Talon [11 PL, 210pts]: 2x Hurricane bolter, Rift cannon

++ Vanguard Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [49 PL, 8CP, 896pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Dark Angels

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Deathwing Vanguard Detachment [3CP]

Detachment Command Cost [-3CP]

+ Stratagems +

Stratagem: Marked for Command [-1CP]

Stratagem: Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics

+ No Force Org Slot +

Deathwing Ancient [5 PL, -1CP, 100pts]: 5. Decisive Tactician (Aura), Pennant of Remembrance, Rites of War, Stratagem: Paragon of the Chapter, Warlord

. Chainfist and Storm Bolter: Chainfist, Storm bolter

+ HQ +

Interrogator-Chaplain in Terminator Armor [6 PL, -1CP, 100pts]: 2. Catechism of Fire, Crozius arcanum, Mace of Redemption, Storm bolter, Storm of Fire, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter

+ Elites +

Deathwing Command Squad [4 PL, 70pts]

. Deathwing Sergeant

. . Storm Bolter & Power Sword: Power sword, Storm bolter

. Deathwing Terminator: Lightning Claw (Pair)

Deathwing Knights [11 PL, 235pts]

. 4x Deathwing Knight: 4x Mace of Absolution, 4x Storm shield

. Knight Master: Flail of the Unforgiven, Master-Crafted Weapon, Storm shield

Deathwing Terminator Squad [18 PL, 291pts]

. Deathwing Sergeant

. . Storm Bolter & Power Sword: Power sword, Storm bolter

. Deathwing Terminator

. . Storm Bolter & Chainfist: Chainfist, Storm bolter

. Deathwing Terminator

. . Storm Bolter & Chainfist: Chainfist, Storm bolter

. Deathwing Terminator

. . Cyclone Missile Launcher, Storm Bolter, Chainfist: Chainfist, Cyclone missile launcher, Storm bolter

. Deathwing Terminator

. . Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

. Deathwing Terminator

. . Storm Bolter & Chainfist: Chainfist, Storm bolter

. Deathwing Terminator

. . Storm Bolter & Chainfist: Chainfist, Storm bolter

Ravenwing Apothecary [5 PL, 100pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

. Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon

++ Total: [105 PL, 4CP, 1,996pts] ++

Pregame & Deployment

I pick

Stranglehold

Raise the banners

Oath

He picks

Raise the banners

Surround them

Stubborn Defiance (DA specific)

His choice of surround surprised me...so did his deployment

He placed his eliminators forward touching an objective

He put terminators in a corner and knights in the middle

I decided early my game plan would be just ignore the terminators and sit on the objective with wulfen. If he came close I could charge out

I deployed to avoid his long range guns

Put eradicators and a wulfen on the hunt

callidus and WG in deep strike as well

I have enough mobility that I planned to push hard down the far right flank

BATREP

I win the roll for first turn with a 6 v 5

I didn't really want the first turn...oath of moment is harder to score

The good news is I have range and LOS to his flyer

CM generates a CP (woo hoo first ever!!!)

Chaplain gets catechism of fire on Suppressor1

I place CM rerolls on Suppressor1 as well

Left flank the WG raise a banner and the suppressor squads barely get LOS and stay at max range of his flyer

Middle the eliminators with morkai bolts step up to fire at flyer then fall back behind the wall (I leave them space this time!!!)

Right side eliminators step out to fire then fall back as well

I advance both cyberwolves to contest objective his eliminators are on. Only 2 are touching from his side of the wall

LS moves up to touch my forward objective and fires at eliminators to remove them. He activates transhuman to protect them

Callidus activates to make it cost extra CP

I don't hurt it with LS but I burned his CP and decide to focus on the real target

Eliminator1 fire lasfusils and morkai bolts at flyer

He activates high speed focus for 4++

Callidus does not activate

He stops my lasfusil wound with a 4

The good news is morkai bolts have landed

Suppressor1 with buffs puts 8 wounds on it only takes 4 damage after saves are made

Suppressor2 gets keen senses and manages 7 wounds with CP reroll and kills the flyer

After ending my turn I realize I forgot to fire the whirlwind (doh!)

His turn

He declares objective 6 as must hold...this surprises me b/c all he has guarding it is an infiltrator and his contemptor

He casts aversion on my whirlwind

casts repugnance on knights

splits fire into cyberwolves

wolf1 takes 1 damage from krak missile but SB kill it

wolf2 dies from SB as well

Leviathan kills LS

Contemptor kills suppressor1 and suppressor2 with split fire

He advances his knights and support units to the mid objective to replace his eliminators

His outriders take my mid objective as well

Turn 2

I need to get attacks prepared to hit his infiltrators on turn 3 so I push in as best I can to set up my next turn

I bring everything in but decide NOT to charge objective 3 on the left

Instead I suppression fire his knights with the whirlwind and plan to attack elsewhere

Both my characters push hard right to help the advance up right flank next turn

WG drops in with them safe behind the wall

Wulfen comes in on the left and safe behind the wall

Callidus comes in right side exposed on his side of the wall but has LOS protection from eliminators on my side

I push original wulfen and an infiltrator forward to charge his outriders on the mid objective

Eliminators and eradicators focus fire on his leviathan

Leviathan takes 1 las fusil and morkai bolts

3 eradicators hit and explode the leviathan

1 MW on contemptor from the explosion

The bad news is my wulfen fail a 6" charge into his outriders on my mid objective

The infiltrators kill 1 bike with savage strike

His bikes kill 1/5 infiltrator then fall back after melee with swift strike stratagem

I survive his counter attack with OBSEC so he just left. I deny him hold more but don't score stranglehold

I am also down to 0 CP

His turn

He has 1 CP and spends it to bring back dead outrider

Outrider shooting put 3W on infiltrators killing 2/4

Contemptor only kills 2/3 eradicators...wow i was not expecting a survivor here

Outriders charge and only kill 1/2 infiltrators (crazy wound rolls here)

My lone survivor passes morale and holds onto the objective to deny him stranglehold

Turn 3

We both go assault doctrine

Whirlwind advances to start driving to midfield where I hope to park and score oath

Chaplain fails all litanies and drives up to fight outriders with his crozius

Eliminator1 put 4 wounds and morkai on contemptor

Eradicator hits with both then rolls 4 1s for wound (2 1s followed by 2 more 1s)

CRAP!!!

I spend a CP to advance and charge callidus

Callidus fails a 5" charge into infiltrators even with CP reroll...CRAP

Good news is I make all my charges and get some massive fights going

WG1 put 24 wounds on ancient and kills him off the mid left objective

WG2 put 25 wounds on knights and kill 3/5

Unfortunately I make a positioning mistake and he pulls models to deny wulfen AND CM from attacking

gdamn I messed up bad here

Infiltrator kills 1/2 outriders

Knights kill 2/5 WG only in return

His turn

Apothecary drives over and brings back a dead knight...crap

Contemptor opens fire

Krak missiles kill eradicator

Volkite kill 3/5 wulfen and I somehow pass morale with them

WG went red hot and make like 10/12 saves and tank EVERYTHING in melee

His Terminators charge in and only kill 1/4 WG on the objective

My Chaplain activates and kills outrider in fight normal phase

His knights kill 1/3 eliminators with som ebad rolls as well

WG swing into his terminators to soften them up for my wulfen to finish the job

I get lucky and kill SS and 1 other terminator

Callidus eats 3 wounds from bolter fire but kills 2 infiltrators and is locked in combat on the right flank

Good news is my CM survives in the middle and scores OATH

Turn 4

Chaplain gives eliminators catechism of fire...I hit on 2 and wound on 2 into his contemptor

He makes a 5++ save and survives with 2 wounds

I go berserk into his lines

Wulfen1 kill his ravenwing apothecary and consolidate into eliminators

Wulfen2 do 11 wounds on terminators with FC and TH finishes the unit off

They consolidate into chaplain

My Chaplain gets 3 6s and savage strike to kill contemptor off

CM and kills 3/5 infiltrators and stands on the objective with OBSEC aura from chaplain to help

Callidus kills 1 more infiltrator leavin 1 survivor

The survivor then kills callidus in melee but I am contesting and turn off his secondary scoring and score stranglehold again

The infiltrator survivor raises a banner midfield

I park my whirlwind in the middle as well

His turn

Super smite for 5 on chaplain followed by mindworm...1 wound remaining

Ezekiel kills chaplain in melee

Wulfen1 only kills 1 eliminator

Wulfen2 kill his chaplain in melee

CM kills last infiltrator and frees himself up for my turn

Turn 5

CM kills ezekiel to avenge chaplain and i claim the head of my first psyker with this new army

Wulfen finish off his knights in the middle as well

Final & Recap

91-57

SW victory!!!

I didn't want first turn but I think it made a big difference.

Taking out his flyer and getting immediate reinforcements let me chop down his firepower

The addition of the heavy melta is definitely an improvement over the prior version and lets me hit hard targets

The hit and run eliminators did great too. He told me post game they were very annoying.

I rolled a TON of 6s when I finally went after his terminators and knights

The LC and FC reroll wounds were priceless to counter his transhuman buffs

Great game but my list has the right tools to counter his tricks

Edited September 23, 2021 by TiguriusX

NightHowler · September 23, 2021

Congratulations on a great victory over one of our classic frenemies! Sounds like you’re already playing this list much better with fewer mistakes already!

Jorin Helm-splitter · September 24, 2021

I like the eradicators in your list, they do have a tendency to drop the ball sometimes but it really adds that hammer back to your list. I think the threat of them will help even if they drop the ball.

I tend to think most players running flyers are going to want to go first, so I felt like you were in a no lose scenario going first. Without the ability to stack -1 to hits flyers they're just really vulnerable. Good win though, and thanks for the report.

TiguriusX · September 24, 2021

I like the eradicators in your list, they do have a tendency to drop the ball sometimes but it really adds that hammer back to your list. I think the threat of them will help even if they drop the ball.

I tend to think most players running flyers are going to want to go first, so I felt like you were in a no lose scenario going first. Without the ability to stack -1 to hits flyers they're just really vulnerable. Good win though, and thanks for the report.

The eradicators make me nervous as hell when they fire

My latest version is dropping the LS to add a multimelta eradicator

takes me from 6 to 10 shots and gives more margin for error

Edited September 24, 2021 by TiguriusX

Bjorn Firewalker · September 25, 2021

Congratulations on your victory!

TiguriusX · October 3, 2021

Copenhammer Round 2

Map-Battle lines v IH Successor

My army

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [69 PL, 8CP, 1,225pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

+ Stratagems +

A Trophy Bestowed [-1CP]

Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics

Thane of the Retinue [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]

. Company Veteran: 2x Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades

. Company Veteran Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Agents of the Imperium +

Callidus Assassin [5 PL, 100pts]: Neural Shredder, Phase Sword, Poison Blades

+ HQ +

Chapter Master [8 PL, -1CP, 155pts]: Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Chapter Master, Frag & Krak grenades, Hunter, Jump Pack, Lightning Claw (Pair), Master of the Codex, Stratagem: Warrior of Legend, The Armour of Russ, Warlord

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites +

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 140pts]: Jump Pack

. Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 140pts]: Jump Pack

. Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

+ Fast Attack +

Skyclaws [6 PL, 100pts]

. Skyclaw: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Jump Pack

. Skyclaw Pack Leader: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Jump Pack

Skyclaws [6 PL, 100pts]

. Skyclaw: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Jump Pack

. Skyclaw Pack Leader: Astartes Chainsword, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Jump Pack

+ Heavy Support +

Eradicator Squad [14 PL, 205pts]: Heavy melta rifle

. 2x Eradicator: 2x Bolt pistol

. Eradicator Sgt: Bolt pistol

. Eradicator with MM: Bolt pistol, Multi-melta

Whirlwind [7 PL, 125pts]: Whirlwind castellan launcher

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [41 PL, -3CP, 774pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

+ HQ +

Primaris Chaplain on Bike [7 PL, -1CP, 140pts]: 3. Exhortation of Rage, 6. Canticle of Hate (Aura), Absolver Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Crozius arcanum, Frag & Krak grenades, Litany of Hate, Reliquary of Gathalamor, Rites of War, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Twin Bolt rifle

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites +

Wulfen [8 PL, 157pts]

. Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws

. 2x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: 2x Storm Shield, 2x Thunder Hammer

. 2x Wulfen w/ Wulfen frost claws: 2x Wulfen Frost claws

Wulfen [8 PL, 157pts]

. Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws

. 2x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: 2x Storm Shield, 2x Thunder Hammer

. 2x Wulfen w/ Wulfen frost claws: 2x Wulfen Frost claws

+ Fast Attack +

Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]

. Cyberwolf: Teeth and claws

Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]

. Cyberwolf: Teeth and claws

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine, Morkai's Teeth Bolts

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

++ Total: [110 PL, 5CP, 1,999pts] ++

His army

+++ IH Scorpius + Melee (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) +++

++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Iron Hands) [106 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Iron Hands Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

+ HQ +

Lieutenants [4 PL, -1CP, 75pts]

Lieutenant in Reiver Armour: 2. Lord of Deceit, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter

Techmarine [4 PL, -1CP, 70pts]: Astartes Chainsword, Boltgun, Rites of War, Servo-arm, Stratagem: Paragon of Iron, Target Protocols, Teeth of Terra, Warlord

+ Troops +

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]

4x Incursor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades

Incursor Sergeant

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]

4x Incursor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades

Incursor Sergeant

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

Infiltrator Sergeant

+ Elites +

Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]

Company Veteran: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Company Veteran Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]

Company Veteran: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Company Veteran Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]

Company Veteran: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Company Veteran Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Redemptor Dreadnought [9 PL, 180pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon

Relic Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, -3CP, 175pts]: Cyclone missile launcher, Merciless Logic, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Stratagem: March of the Ancients, 2x Twin volkite culverin

Vanguard Veteran Squad [14 PL, 300pts]: Jump Pack

Vanguard Veteran: Lightning Claw, Storm shield

Vanguard Veteran Sergeant: Lightning Claw, Storm shield

+ Fast Attack +

Assault Squad [6 PL, 100pts]: Jump Pack

4x Space Marine: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades

Space Marine Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Assault Squad [6 PL, 100pts]: Jump Pack

4x Space Marine: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades

Space Marine Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

+ Heavy Support +

Devastator Squad [8 PL, 165pts]: Armorium Cherub

Devastator Marine Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Devastator Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Multi-melta

Devastator Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon

Devastator Squad [8 PL, 145pts]: Armorium Cherub

Devastator Marine Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Devastator Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Multi-melta

Devastator Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon

Whirlwind Scorpius [10 PL, -1CP, 170pts]: Storm bolter

+ Dedicated Transport +

Drop Pod [4 PL, 70pts]: Storm bolter

++ Total: [106 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++

Pregame & Deployment

Doh...scorpius artillery piece.

It will hurt but I can work around it

He has melee but I have better melee!

My secondary choices

Stranglehold

Vital Ground

Warrior Pride

He picks

No prisoners

ROD

engage

I put callidus + eradicators + WG1 in reserve

He puts devs in the DP

He also combat squads his VV

He wins the roll to deploy first and aggressively puts incursors midfield

I counter deploy my infiltrators as close as I can to push back a turn 1 DP

I put WG2 and Sky1 on left with CM

Wulfen1 eliminator1 wolf1 and whirlwind in middle

Wulfen2 eliminator2 and Sky2 on right flank

I spread wolf2 and infiltrator2 in the rear to deny his drop pod

BATREP

I win the roll for first turn

He pulls 1 of his incursors back with lord of deceit but leaves one midfield on the left side objective

I need to push up aggressively and zone out his DP

CM fails command point roll

I buff skyclaws with CM and assault doctrine and launch them at incursors

Infiltrators push up to charge them as well. I hope to use charge movement to deny his DP as well

Whirlwind kills 1 bodyguard on far right only

Nothing else to shoot at basically

Make both charges into incursor for Warrior pride (woo hoo)

Savage strike buff to sky claws

He turns on transhuman and feel no pain

Callidus activates twice so he burns 4 CP total and is not happy

Skyclaws get 7 6's and only a single 1 to hit

I get 17 wounds and slaughter his incursors despite defensive buffs

Incursors use pile in and consolidate to push deep into his lines and deny DP space as best as they can

His turn

He tries to advance to screen me out but keeps rolling 1s

He refuses to CP reroll because callidus already drained him

He backs his redemptor off so I can't eradicate him but he still has LOS on the skyclaws

His DP comes down behind the crates and only 3 devastators can deploy on top due to infiltrator denial

He spends CP and burns cherub to wipe the wulfen

Contemptor kills infiltrators as well

Redemptor only kills 2 skyclaws

Scorpius only kills 2 more

Survivor spends CP to pass morale and live

Huuuuge unexpected result that gives me hold 2...hold more and vital ground (12 point swing)

Turn 2

I push up to kill what he sent forward

I bring in the callidus and eradicators

Callidus rolled a 2 for a 5" DS and I originally wanted to drop in his rear to kill the bodyguard and pile into devastators

He reminds me he has auspex scan and I say CRAP...end up going after his forward VV instead

I kill devastator1 with my eradicators

Kill 4/5 assault1 with random shooting

Make all charges for warrior born

Callidus gets 5 hits and 5 wounds but he makes 2 saves and 3 FNPs...only loses 1 VV (DOH)

They kill callidus in return...crap

Wulfen kill incursors midfield behind his wall and consolidate into assault1 survivor

I was hoping to roll high and tag his contemptor but I got the minimum 6" charge I needed and didn't want to risk failing it on a reroll

WG kill assault2 in melee and brace for redemptor incoming fire by hugging the wall for cover

They rolled 9 6s only a single 1 on hit rolls

His turn

He focuses his forces on my left flank

Both dreads move to line up shots and he shoves his VV in close

Devastators kill 3/5 Wulfen (failed all the SS saves against MM but grav sucks against wulfen)

Contemptor wipes out all the WG

Redemptor finishes Wulfen

Scorpius kills 1 eradicator

He makes all the charges he needs

CM takes 1 wound from bodyguard chainswords

Kills 2 VV

The VV unfreeze and activate to kill CM (did 5 wounds and I only had 4 remaining and 1 CP)

Turn 3

I wipe him out on right flank

Chaplain gets reroll all hits and the eliminators and vets just swamp his VV with attack rolls

I drop WG on left behind the crates to move up next turn

I use suppression fire from whirlwind on his nearby VV to counter a potential attack into my newly deployed WG

His turn

He doesn't have anything visible to fire so not much happens

Whirlwind whiffs v Eliminators

He pushes forward and wipes me off left objective

His VV jump forward and do a 3rd ROD action

Turn 4

I get everything I need

Take mid objectives

Pile into redemptor with WG and take 0 wounds

His turn

WG roll tons of 1 and die to redemptor shooting...balances out surviving his redemptor melee last turn

Scorpius kills bodyguard and then Contemptor kills my Chaplain

Turn 5

I try to deny him scoring and hide eradicators so he can't get hold more

I had 1 shot at stranglehold but needed a 9" charge from infiltrators...they failed

Final & Recap

80-66

SW victory!!!

IH shooting is insane...but with all the walls on this map I was able to dodge most of it all game

The skyclaws got to shine on this map and I was happy with it

The shoot and scoot eliminators were big too...we were laughing at how they were butchering his guys in melee

I think I got 3 6's to hit both times they got into combat

Smashed the VV survivors from the Callidus fight and killed a bunch of devastators and tied them up to stop them from shooting

I was impressed by the melee forces in his list pregame but IH don't have the codex support to make them shine.

The WLT and Relics and stratagem boosts make a big difference

I was not happy with vital ground. My list doesn't have the durability to pull that off. I got lucky I was able to stop him from scoring to counter my bad choice.

I am now 2-0 in this league...2 rounds to go!

Other house keeping news

Pod 13 is officially over

My round 2 opponent couldn't schedule a game with me so I forfeit (it is a european league and I am the out of time zone player)

That dropped me to 0-2 and I dropped from the pod after.

GT list is now 2-0

I was matched against the very same player I just discussed for round 2 in the GT

This time the tournament is based on US time zones so he forfeited due to the schedule conflict

Edited October 3, 2021 by TiguriusX

NightHowler · October 3, 2021

Congrats man n the victory!!!

TiguriusX · October 12, 2021

T5S2 GT Round 3

Map-Overrun v IH Successor

My army

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [60 PL, 10CP, 1,170pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

+ Stratagems +

A Trophy Bestowed [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]

. Company Veteran: 2x Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades

. Company Veteran Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Agents of the Imperium +

Callidus Assassin [5 PL, 100pts]: Neural Shredder, Phase Sword, Poison Blades

+ HQ +

Chapter Master [8 PL, -1CP, 155pts]: Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Chapter Master, Frag & Krak grenades, Hunter, Jump Pack, Lightning Claw (Pair), Master of the Codex, Stratagem: Warrior of Legend, The Armour of Russ, Warlord

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites +

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 140pts]: Jump Pack

. Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 140pts]: Jump Pack

. Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

+ Fast Attack +

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Heavy Support +

Eradicator Squad [7 PL, 150pts]: Heavy melta rifle

. 2x Eradicator: 2x Bolt pistol

. Eradicator Sgt: Bolt pistol

Whirlwind [7 PL, 125pts]: Whirlwind castellan launcher

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [44 PL, -5CP, 829pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

+ Stratagems +

Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics

Thane of the Retinue [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Primaris Chaplain on Bike [7 PL, -1CP, 140pts]: 2. Catechism of Fire, 6. Canticle of Hate (Aura), Absolver Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Crozius arcanum, Frag & Krak grenades, Litany of Hate, Reliquary of Gathalamor, Rites of War, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Twin Bolt rifle

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites +

Wulfen [8 PL, 157pts]

. Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws

. 2x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: 2x Storm Shield, 2x Thunder Hammer

. 2x Wulfen w/ Wulfen frost claws: 2x Wulfen Frost claws

Wulfen [8 PL, 157pts]

. Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws

. 2x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: 2x Storm Shield, 2x Thunder Hammer

. 2x Wulfen w/ Wulfen frost claws: 2x Wulfen Frost claws

+ Fast Attack +

Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]

. Cyberwolf: Teeth and claws

Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]

. Cyberwolf: Teeth and claws

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine, Morkai's Teeth Bolts

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

+ Dedicated Transport +

Land Speeder Storm [3 PL, 55pts]: Cerberus launcher, Heavy bolter

++ Total: [104 PL, 5CP, 1,999pts] ++

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His army

+++ IH Scorpius + Melee (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) +++

++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Iron Hands) [106 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Iron Hands Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

+ HQ +

Lieutenants [4 PL, -1CP, 75pts]

Lieutenant in Reiver Armour: 2. Lord of Deceit, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter

Techmarine [4 PL, -1CP, 70pts]: Astartes Chainsword, Boltgun, Rites of War, Servo-arm, Stratagem: Paragon of Iron, Target Protocols, Teeth of Terra, Warlord

+ Troops +

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]

4x Incursor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades

Incursor Sergeant

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]

4x Incursor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades

Incursor Sergeant

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

Infiltrator Sergeant

+ Elites +

Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]

Company Veteran: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Company Veteran Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]

Company Veteran: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Company Veteran Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]

Company Veteran: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Company Veteran Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Redemptor Dreadnought [9 PL, 180pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon

Relic Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, -3CP, 175pts]: Cyclone missile launcher, Merciless Logic, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Stratagem: March of the Ancients, 2x Twin volkite culverin

Vanguard Veteran Squad [14 PL, 300pts]: Jump Pack

Vanguard Veteran: Lightning Claw, Storm shield

Vanguard Veteran Sergeant: Lightning Claw, Storm shield

+ Fast Attack +

Assault Squad [6 PL, 100pts]: Jump Pack

4x Space Marine: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades

Space Marine Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Assault Squad [6 PL, 100pts]: Jump Pack

4x Space Marine: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades

Space Marine Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

+ Heavy Support +

Devastator Squad [8 PL, 165pts]: Armorium Cherub

Devastator Marine Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Devastator Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Multi-melta

Devastator Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon

Devastator Squad [8 PL, 145pts]: Armorium Cherub

Devastator Marine Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword

Devastator Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Multi-melta

Devastator Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon

Whirlwind Scorpius [10 PL, -1CP, 170pts]: Storm bolter

+ Dedicated Transport +

Drop Pod [4 PL, 70pts]: Storm bolter

++ Total: [106 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++

Pregame & Deployment

Same opponent I played in my other league last week.

He has the exact same list

Mine has the suppressor variant

-swaps out sky claws for suppressors

-no eradicator with a MM

-LS storm

More ranged shooting and mobility options

How will I fare in the rematch?

My secondary choices

Engage

Raise Banners

Oath of Moment

He picks

Engage

Banners

TTL

-Redemptor

-Contemptor

-VV

-VV combat squad

VV1 and VV2 in reserve

Assault1

Dev1 and Dev2 in DP

I put tons of stuff in reserve b/c I can't hide much from his DP grav range

-callidus

-eradicators

-WG1

-WG2

-Suppressors

I spend 2 CP and put units on the hunt

-Eradicators

-Wulfen1

He wins the roll to deploy first and aggressively puts incursors midfield as close to me as possible

I really wanted to put my infiltrators mid board to push his DP back...oh well

I hide as best I can and prepare to counter attack and push forward

Left flank

Wulfen2

Infil1

LS

Middle

CM

Chaplain

Elim1

Elim2

Supp2

Vets

WW

Right flank

Wolf1

Wolf2

Infil2

I make a MAJOR and game deciding mistake when I drop Infil2

I should have put them up on the line to zone out as best as I can

Instead I hid them in the back

BATREP

He wins the roll for first turn

Pulls infiltrators back to his rear

DP comes in on my right flank closer than I thought and gets LOS on suppressors...crap

Volley 1 kills suppressors and he saves cherub

Other Dev kill all my infiltrators

Kills wolf1 and 2/3 eliminators

Scorpius kills 3/3 other eliminators

Callidus makes him burn 2 extra CP

His incursor charges wolf and kills it

I'm not happy

I should have thrown my infiltrators away to prevent all shooting since they ended up dying anyways

I have lost ALL of my ranged shooting on the board and I have no offensive units to push him back and out of my zone

My turn

CM fails CP regen

I put him into assault doctrine

Chaplain fails canticle of hate (doh)

I can't do anything about right flank...I was obliterated hard

I decide to fall back and stay alive until reinforcements arrive

CM advances left and charges into incursors hoping to thin their numbers

I do 3 wounds and he does 0 back...absolute fail

LS pushes up and charges infiltrators

I do 0 wounds and he does 2 on me

Turn 2

He gets 15 primary (ouch)

Pushes forward and zones me out

Raises banner on my right flank I lost to him

His contemptor kills CM with mortal wound 6s alone (didn't even need to roll saves)

Devs put 2 wounds on my whirlwind

Scorpius kills 2 Wulfen (failed 2/3 4++ saves)

Wulfen pass morale

My turn

Wulfen fail hard and only kill 2 infiltrators (I am rolling so many 1s and 2s...)

The plan was kill infiltrators and pile in using 6" stratagem to move far into safety with a wall to block LOS

Instead the Wulfen are out in the open

Suppressors do 0 damage to LFs

Turn 3

He kills wulfen with contemptor

Kills LS with redemptor

Keeps zoning me out and pushing me back

Game is basically over at this point...here is the fast forward through screen grabs I have

Bottom of 3

Top of 4

Final & Recap

56-96

SW defeat

This game was lost when I failed to zone out his DP in the deployment phase

The IH double dev drop pod is a powerful alpha strike tool

I paid a heavy price for it this game

The loss drops me to 2-1

Jorin Helm-splitter · October 12, 2021

Ouch, at least it was a game where you can identify the mistake. Hopefully you get an opportunity to play against a psyker heavy force with this list.

TiguriusX · October 12, 2021

Ouch, at least it was a game where you can identify the mistake. Hopefully you get an opportunity to play against a psyker heavy force with this list.

I have had the same thoughts

There are a TON of GK and Tsons in the two tournaments I am in but I missed them all up to this point

I was paired against Tsons in BOTH leagues this week

1 is a forfeit due to scheduling. Since it is Copenhammer and I am out of time zone I will forfeit

The other will be played later tonight

TiguriusX · October 13, 2021

T5S2 GT

Round 5

Map-Sweep v TSons

My army

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [60 PL, 10CP, 1,170pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

+ Stratagems +

A Trophy Bestowed [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Company Veterans [3 PL, 40pts]

. Company Veteran: 2x Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades

. Company Veteran Sergeant: 2x Astartes Chainsword, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Agents of the Imperium +

Callidus Assassin [5 PL, 100pts]: Neural Shredder, Phase Sword, Poison Blades

+ HQ +

Chapter Master [8 PL, -1CP, 155pts]: Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Chapter Master, Frag & Krak grenades, Hunter, Jump Pack, Lightning Claw (Pair), Master of the Codex, Stratagem: Warrior of Legend, The Armour of Russ, Warlord

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites +

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 140pts]: Jump Pack

. Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

Wolf Guard [7 PL, 140pts]: Jump Pack

. Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Storm shield

+ Fast Attack +

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]

. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades

+ Heavy Support +

Eradicator Squad [7 PL, 150pts]: Heavy melta rifle

. 2x Eradicator: 2x Bolt pistol

. Eradicator Sgt: Bolt pistol

Whirlwind [7 PL, 125pts]: Whirlwind castellan launcher

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [44 PL, -5CP, 829pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Born Heroes , Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Whirlwind of Rage

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

+ Stratagems +

Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics

Thane of the Retinue [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Primaris Chaplain on Bike [7 PL, -1CP, 140pts]: 2. Catechism of Fire, 6. Canticle of Hate (Aura), Absolver Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Crozius arcanum, Frag & Krak grenades, Litany of Hate, Reliquary of Gathalamor, Rites of War, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Twin Bolt rifle

+ Troops +

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts]

. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine

. Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine

+ Elites +

Wulfen [8 PL, 157pts]

. Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws

. 2x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: 2x Storm Shield, 2x Thunder Hammer

. 2x Wulfen w/ Wulfen frost claws: 2x Wulfen Frost claws

Wulfen [8 PL, 157pts]

. Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws

. 2x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: 2x Storm Shield, 2x Thunder Hammer

. 2x Wulfen w/ Wulfen frost claws: 2x Wulfen Frost claws

+ Fast Attack +

Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]

. Cyberwolf: Teeth and claws

Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts]

. Cyberwolf: Teeth and claws

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine, Morkai's Teeth Bolts

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Las Fusil

. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine

. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

+ Dedicated Transport +

Land Speeder Storm [3 PL, 55pts]: Cerberus launcher, Heavy bolter

++ Total: [104 PL, 5CP, 1,999pts] ++

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His army

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Chaos - Thousand Sons) [67 PL, -2CP, 11 Cabal Points, 1,370pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Cults of the Legion: Cult of Duplicity

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Sorcerer [5 PL, 2 Cabal Points, 90pts]: 21. Temporal Manipulation, 31. Cacodaemonic Curse, Force sword, Inferno Bolt Pistol

+ HQ +

Exalted Sorcerer [7 PL, 3 Cabal Points, 125pts]: 12. Glamour of Tzeentch, 22. Weaver of Fates, Disc of Tzeentch, Inferno Bolt Pistol

Infernal Master [5 PL, 2 Cabal Points, 90pts]: 31. Empyric Guidance, 5. Glimpse of Eternity, 6. Malefic Maelstrom

+ Troops +

Rubric Marines [6 PL, 2 Cabal Points, 125pts]: Icon of Flame

. Aspiring Sorcerer: 12. Glamour of Tzeentch, Inferno Bolt Pistol

. 3x Rubric Marine w/ inferno boltgun: 3x Inferno boltgun

. Rubric Marine w/ soulreaper cannon: Soulreaper cannon

+ Elites +

Scarab Occult Terminators [20 PL, 1 Cabal Points, 430pts]: 2x Hellfyre missile rack

. Scarab Occult Sorcerer: 23. Temporal Surge, Inferno combi-bolter

. 7x Terminator: 7x Inferno combi-bolter, 7x Prosperine khopesh

. Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon: Soulreaper cannon

Scarab Occult Terminators [20 PL, 1 Cabal Points, 430pts]: 2x Hellfyre missile rack

. Scarab Occult Sorcerer: 23. Temporal Surge, Inferno combi-bolter

. 7x Terminator: 7x Inferno combi-bolter, 7x Prosperine khopesh

. Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon: Soulreaper cannon

+ Dedicated Transport +

Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 80pts]

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Thousand Sons) [34 PL, 12CP, 11 Cabal Points, 630pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Cults of the Legion: Cult of Magic

Detachment Command Cost

+ No Force Org Slot +

Sorcerer [6 PL, 2 Cabal Points, 105pts]: 11. Gaze of Hate, 23. Baleful Devolution, Force sword, Inferno Bolt Pistol, Witch-warrior

+ HQ +

Ahriman [10 PL, 3 Cabal Points, 180pts]: 12. Twist of Fate, 21. Presage, 23. Temporal Surge, Disc of Tzeentch

Exalted Sorcerer [8 PL, 3 Cabal Points, 150pts]: 11. Tzeentch's Firestorm, 13. Doombolt, Athenaean Scrolls, Devastating Sorcery, Disc of Tzeentch, Inferno Bolt Pistol, Rehati, Warlord

+ Troops +

Rubric Marines [6 PL, 2 Cabal Points, 125pts]: Icon of Flame

. Aspiring Sorcerer: 22. Weaver of Fates, Inferno Bolt Pistol

. 3x Rubric Marine w/ inferno boltgun: 3x Inferno boltgun

. Rubric Marine w/ soulreaper cannon: Soulreaper cannon

+ Elites +

Tzaangor Shaman [4 PL, 1 Cabal Points, 70pts]: 13. Doombolt

++ Total: [101 PL, 10CP, 22 Cabal Points, 2,000pts] ++

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Pregame & Deployment

I pick

Stranglehold

Direct assault

Abhor the Witch

He picks

Stranglehold

Direct assault

Grind

I win roll and deploy first b/c he can scout deploy his Rubric

I zone out a corner with infiltrators

He scout deploys middle and opposite objective to claim both of them before the game starts

BATREP

He wins the roll for first turn

Smites 2 infiltrators midboard

Fully buffs terminators

And does a move I didn't see coming...terminators teleport into corner and get LOS

I should have sacrificed infiltrators for a turn 1 zone out...just like the IH game

He tells me it wouldn't matter b/c he would smite them out first and do the same trick

Smites 2W onto wulfen

Shoots into

Extra shots for SBs using infernal fusilade

Kills infiltrators

Kills 2/3 eliminators

Shooting kills 4/5 Wulfen but I pass morale

My turn

I have a massive terminator problem

His super brick of terminators is in LOS to shoot but too far away to reach with melee

CM generates CP

I fully buff suppressors and jump out to kill his character exposed in front of wall

That stops his grind and gives me abhor points

They also take middle for direct assault

Wolf advances to left objective to secure stranglehold

Eliminators kill a terminator

Turn 2

Rubrics get super smite for 6 wounds and erase suppressors

His dead terminator returns to life from spell casting bonus

His terminators move onto the objective and open fire

Kill 2/5 Wulfen

Kill 5/5 WG

Charge into cyberwolf and kills it

My turn

I can't remove that damn terminator block...he is too far away

I am extremely frustrated with how this is playing out...I know I am living on borrowed time and can't trade all 5 turns like this

His terminators will eventually move in close enough to shoot what I have hiding

CM fails CP regen

I buff WG and they kill rubric in middle

I can't move his terminators from bottom left...so I move wolf to take top right instead

Turn 3

He gets 10 primary

His terminators push forward to me and wrap my culexus but only do 2 wounds

My turn

CM fails CP regen again

I go all in...his terminators are finally in melee striking distance

I don't have a single beatstick anymore but I have numbers and armor of russ to make him fight last

I bring in my eradicators and shoot the terminators with everything

Morkai bolt rolls 1-1 so I have no reroll wounds

Lasfusil kills 1

Eradicators kill 2

I charged with

CM

Chaplain

Wulfen (1 survivor)

Wulfen (3 survivors)

2 company veterans

3 eliminators

1 eliminator survivor

However there is a massive problem...traffic jam is interfering with movement

I have to activate company vets first but can't kill or I remove wulfen from pile in range

I intentionally keep 1 out of range so he can't swing

Wulfen activate next and get the executioners strat

Only 2/3 can reach engagement fighting range

Wulfen TH generates 6 wounds and kills 3 terminators

FC generate 4 wounds and kills 1 more

He is pulling models and making it harder for me to fight

My chaplain is now out of range unless I move CM around

I need CM to kill 2 or 0...

CM activates and kills only 1 despite causing 10 wounds

I just have 1 wulfen left and the terminators save 5/6 wounds

That sucked...he has 2 terminators alive still

Only kill 8/10 terminators despite throwing my entire army at them

I needed to wipe him to take the objective away

I failed...get 0 secondary points this turn

Turn 4

He burns cabal points to counter my relic and not die from failed casting

Kills chaplain with cabal pointed spells

I am exposed and take the full offensive firepower of his Tsons and lose almost everything

Final & Recap

52-92

SW loss

That was brutal. I was not expecting that type of game.

I usually dominate this map but his ability to teleport and shoot long range completely changed what I was expecting from this game

My infiltrators couldn't stop him b/c he just smite killed them away before needing to teleport

The culexis and chaplain did seem like a problem he was playing around but I didn't have enough punch to push forward and shutdown all his casting like I had hoped.

Not sure how I should adjust to deal with that...keeping my offense off the board in reserves maybe

Hmm...lots to ponder

The loss drops me to 2-2 and 1 game remaining in this GT

Jorin Helm-splitter · October 13, 2021

That game looked brutal. I tend to agree with your opponent that putting infiltrators in the corner he dropped the terminators in wouldn't have been a huge issue for him. That said he would have had to commit more resources, and I think it could have created openings for you. I'm also not sure he would have been able to achieve the redeploy on turn 1 when it was going to be the most effective. Putting key units in reserve may be a good idea, but your lists seem to work best when you can cause enough damage turn one to force a response.

Out of curiosity if you had gone first do think that the termies would've been as impactful?

TiguriusX · October 13, 2021

That game looked brutal. I tend to agree with your opponent that putting infiltrators in the corner he dropped the terminators in wouldn't have been a huge issue for him. That said he would have had to commit more resources, and I think it could have created openings for you. I'm also not sure he would have been able to achieve the redeploy on turn 1 when it was going to be the most effective. Putting key units in reserve may be a good idea, but your lists seem to work best when you can cause enough damage turn one to force a response.

Out of curiosity if you had gone first do think that the termies would've been as impactful?

First turn definitely would go differently

I would have taken him off the objectives and changed how his scoring played out bc I pushed forward

not sure if that is enough to win but it changes how the game unfolds

Jorin Helm-splitter · October 14, 2021

I meant more what do you think you could do to minimize the terminators alpha strike. I just think even if you zoned out that corner it'd be hard not to be in similar position where they could line up quality shots at a distance you couldn't cover in a turn. I definitely may be wrong I don't have a lot of experience with a list like yours and to be honest your putting the work in so I'd trust your judgement over mine.

That said It just feels like you need to have an answer to blunt that reposition, because they're so good against every unit in your army. With my TS I struggle a bit with vehicles so if you ram some redemptors down my throat with some back up its tough.

TL:DR I'm just questioning whether or not wolves can out finesse TS, like I said earlier your a better judge then I am. I'm just not sure if we can, or if I'm being honest should (TS have their own weaknesses).

TiguriusX · October 14, 2021

I meant more what do you think you could do to minimize the terminators alpha strike. I just think even if you zoned out that corner it'd be hard not to be in similar position where they could line up quality shots at a distance you couldn't cover in a turn. I definitely may be wrong I don't have a lot of experience with a list like yours and to be honest your putting the work in so I'd trust your judgement over mine.

That said It just feels like you need to have an answer to blunt that reposition, because they're so good against every unit in your army. With my TS I struggle a bit with vehicles so if you ram some redemptors down my throat with some back up its tough.

TL:DR I'm just questioning whether or not wolves can out finesse TS, like I said earlier your a better judge then I am. I'm just not sure if we can, or if I'm being honest should (TS have their own weaknesses).

First turn and zone out would make it a better fight

I would prevent him from auto holding objectives (he was able to run and hide rubrics turn 1)

I would wipe rubric in middle and have half the map zoned out

he could smite my corner infiltrators down hard but in the process he exposes himself to a counter attack

that would let me go after targets a bit better

I made a major change to my list due to this game...I felt lots of small shooting wasn't getting the job done

I have too many MSU and not enough hiding places

Going back to LF drop pod but will try grav now

I can buff 1 unit and hit much harder

With 20 grav shots and 10 shots from a unit of eradicators I have 2 different units that can blast a hard target like terminators much better

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