Thousand Sons 9th ed FAQ Out.

[Xenith]

Get it here:

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#warhammer-40000

 

Nothing major, just a few clarifications:

• Infernal Master wording cleared up to be one pact per turn, not attempt a pact it knows.
• Hellbrute lost malicious volleys

Edited September 17, 2021 by Xenith

[Tichinde]

Q: If a unit has an ability that allows it to be set up in a location
other than the battlefield, or is eligible for a Stratagem that allows
a unit to be set up in a location other than the battlefield (such as
Webway Infiltration or Risen Rubricae), can this be done when they
are selected by the Master Misinformator Warlord Trait?
A: Yes, unless the mission specifies that units cannot be set up in
that manner. For example, the mission may specify that units must
be set up on the battlefield

 

So you can infiltrate your Rubrics, then re-infiltrate them if you want?

[Prot]

 

Get it here:

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#warhammer-40000

 

Nothing major, just a few clarifications:

 

 

I don't know... I think Malicious volleys might be one of the smaller changes/clarifications....

 

 

Q: If a unit has an ability that allows it to be set up in a location

other than the battlefield, or is eligible for a Stratagem that allows

a unit to be set up in a location other than the battlefield (such as

Webway Infiltration or Risen Rubricae), can this be done when they

are selected by the Master Misinformator Warlord Trait?

A: Yes, unless the mission specifies that units cannot be set up in

that manner. For example, the mission may specify that units must

be set up on the battlefield

 

So you can infiltrate your Rubrics, then re-infiltrate them if you want?

 

Good catch,

 

I had to think about this, and at first I typically take the conservative approach on these things, but after re-reading the strat (which indicates in creates the ability on that unit) I think it does work!

 

Wow. Another notch up for Duplicity. I always hated paying 2 CP, and then simply moving them back to my zone. Honestly this may or may not be a factor in a game, but the option of it is very nice.

 

I'm shocked because the blanket rule (I believe) states redeployed units have to go back in their zone as per the mission. 

 

I like it though.

 

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Also, this is new (and sucks!)

Page 57 – Conniving Plate Add the following to the end of the second bullet point: ‘(rounding up)’

 

It sure was nice telling a smash captain he had to waste that third attack. That stinks.

 

Conniving Plate second nerf incoming:

Q: Does the Conniving Plate Relic affect abilities that generate any additional hits, or allow multiple hit rolls to be made for each attack? A: These abilities are unaffected. The Conniving Plate only affects the initial number of attacks made by a model when these are allocated during the Select Targets step of the Make Close Combat Attacks sequence (including any additional attacks granted by abilities of weapons such as an Astartes chainsword).

 

 

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Ohhh... look at this. Mushkilla will like this one:

 

Q: When using the Pact From Beyond Cabbalistic Ritual, if the minimum value required is enough to trigger an effect that requires a particular unmodified value on the Psychic test, does this effect trigger? (e.g. If Pact From Beyond is used on the fifth attempt during that Psychic phase to manifest Smite, where the warp charge value would be 9, could I then use the Warped Regeneration Stratagem?) A: Yes.

 

- I honestly did not know if that one would stick.

 

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Not bad though. Conniving plate I thought was fine the way it was. I thought it toned down these god mode suped up characters. But... it just took a few notable hits.

 

Risen Rubricae is great news though... back to Duplicity!

Edited September 17, 2021 by Prot

[Xenith]

 

 

So you can infiltrate your Rubrics, then re-infiltrate them if you want?

 

If you did, you'd have to pay another 2CP to do it.

 

It means you can deploy them as normal, then remove them and redeploy, paying 2/3 CP if you want to risen rubric or webway them.

 

Edit: Actually no - you can only use the stratagem once. 

 

So you spend 2CP to deploy the rubes 9" from the opponent, master misinformator to remove them from the table, then you are ineligible to use Risen Rubes again, as you've already used it. You could put them in the wayway though. 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Xenith

[Prot]

 

 

 

So you can infiltrate your Rubrics, then re-infiltrate them if you want?

 

If you did, you'd have to pay another 2CP to do it.

 

It means you can deploy them as normal, then remove them and redeploy, paying 2/3 CP if you want to risen rubric or webway them.

 

Edit: Actually no - you can only use the stratagem once. 

 

So you spend 2CP to deploy the rubes 9" from the opponent, master misinformator to remove them from the table, then you are ineligible to use Risen Rubes again, as you've already used it. You could put them in the wayway though. 

 

 

As you caught, you can't use the strat more than once, so I think the intent was to keep the infiltrate ability throughout the deployment phase. Using it only once just prevents you from giving this ability to more than one unit.

 

They are given the ability when deployed. Period. Deploy them once, twice, three times... the Strat says: "Use during deployment" Which we do, and the other condition is 'when setting up...."

 

Another way of looking at this:

 

Let's say you use Rubrics and put them in your zone. Then you use the warlord trait to re-deploy.... You could then use Risen Rubricae, put them in infiltration mode.

 

I think it would work both ways, as long as you're not using the Strat more than once.

Edited September 17, 2021 by Prot

[Mushkilla]

That redeploy faq is so good. I'm embarrassed to admit it but sometimes I get to the end of my deployment and say to myself: we'll damn I didn't have as much space/obscuring terrain as I thought and couldn't hide my whole army. Nice to just shove the the stragglers into the webway or strategic reserve.

Disappointing that sorcerers on disks can't Sorcerous Facade themselves (cause they are cavalry). I did email the team about that one as it seemed like an oversight. But fine, I'll take Pact from Beyond triggering things.

 

They also didn't clarify how Inescapable Forewarning as it stands doesn't work like Auspex. It only works in the reserve step of your opponents movement phase and therefore doesn't work against redeploys that don't happen in the movement phase. I guess that's intentional. On the plus side it's resolved after all your opponents reserves have been set up so you have a better choice of targets. Unlike Auspex which has do be triggered immediately (meaning your opponent can play games).

Edited September 17, 2021 by Mushkilla

[Xenith]

 

 I think the intent was to keep the infiltrate ability throughout the deployment phase. Using it only once just prevents you from giving this ability to more than one unit.

 

 

They are given the ability when deployed. Period. Deploy them once, twice, three times... the Strat says: "Use during deployment" Which we do, and the other condition is 'when setting up...."

 

 

Disagree there, it says use it when setting up a unit of rubricae, and it allows you to break the normal deployment rules when setting up that unit on that occasion. You use it, then you use the WLT to pick them back up again, and now you have to set them up again. 

 

Might need another FAQ.

[Prot]

 

 

 I think the intent was to keep the infiltrate ability throughout the deployment phase. Using it only once just prevents you from giving this ability to more than one unit.

 

 

They are given the ability when deployed. Period. Deploy them once, twice, three times... the Strat says: "Use during deployment" Which we do, and the other condition is 'when setting up...."

 

 

Disagree there, it says use it when setting up a unit of rubricae, and it allows you to break the normal deployment rules when setting up that unit on that occasion. You use it, then you use the WLT to pick them back up again, and now you have to set them up again. 

 

Might need another FAQ.

 

 

The disagreement I have with your interpretation is this:

 

You added the condition "On that occasion." The strat doesn't say that. It actually says "Use during deployment..."

 

It doesn't say the first time, the second, or third time. It just says "deployment". 

 

At first I saw it your way, but reading it verbatim, I changed my mind.

 

That said, I love these stupid wording issues... they are FAQ'ing a specific situation, but don't actually clarify it. They stick with broad wording which causes these issues.

 

The additional problem with GW's vagary is the actual wording of Master Misinformator is being broken. It literally says "....then set them up again following the normal deployment rules for the mission being played."

 

I love how GW just adds confusion through FAQs so often. Just weird.

Edited September 17, 2021 by Prot

[Xenith]

Yea, reading it and rereading it, I can see your interpretation. I guess it depends whether you believe a rule like that is 'sticky' and stays with the unit or not. There's zero precedence for it elsewhere I think. RAW it might have an argument for that to be the case, but I think the simpler reading is the correct one (and GW has said this before), and you;ve said it the first time you read it that's what you thought.

 

RAI, who knows. 

[Prot]

Yea, reading it and rereading it, I can see your interpretation. I guess it depends whether you believe a rule like that is 'sticky' and stays with the unit or not. There's zero precedence for it elsewhere I think. RAW it might have an argument for that to be the case, but I think the simpler reading is the correct one (and GW has said this before), and you;ve said it the first time you read it that's what you thought.

 

RAI, who knows. 

 

So as stuff like this goes... I read it both ways. Changed my mind. Conclusion: I will not play it in the way that allows the unit to redeploy as if infiltrating.

 

Even if it is RAW, it feels janky. They do this all the time. Drives me nuts. I actually didn't see ANY confusion with this strat / WL trait UNTIL the FAQ! 

 

Just an exercise in frustration really.

[Xenith]

 

 

So as stuff like this goes... I read it both ways. Changed my mind. Conclusion: I will not play it in the way that allows the unit to redeploy as if infiltrating.

 

Even if it is RAW, it feels janky. They do this all the time. Drives me nuts. I actually didn't see ANY confusion with this strat / WL trait UNTIL the FAQ! 

 

Just an exercise in frustration really.

 

 

Somewhere, back in the mists of time (but within the last decade) GW were asked about rules that have two interpretations, and they said [paraphrasing] that it's always the first, most obvious interpretation, and that if there's a second one due to the wording it's not because that's how it works, it's just they didn't think anyone would read it that way. 

 

Agree totally though, there are some very obvious oversights in rules writing, which still exists despite their apparent effort to be lawyer like with this edition. 

[Mushkilla]

Interesting write up on goonhammer: https://www.goonhammer.com/the-goonhammer-faq-hot-take-codex-thousand-sons/

 

A bit of a nerf here, making it clear that Rubricae know one power picked from either of their two disciplines, not one from each. This drops their power level a bit, but also significantly reduces the amount of bookkeeping you need to do for the army.

Didn't even realise people were interpreting it that way.

Edited September 17, 2021 by Mushkilla

[Xenith]

Interesting write up on goonhammer: https://www.goonhammer.com/the-goonhammer-faq-hot-take-codex-thousand-sons/

 

A bit of a nerf here, making it clear that Rubricae know one power picked from either of their two disciplines, not one from each. This drops their power level a bit, but also significantly reduces the amount of bookkeeping you need to do for the army.

Didn't even realise people were interpreting it that way.

 

 

Wait. That just breaks the internet. If the And/Or meant they could take a power from each discipline, and GW closed that wording loophole for the Rubrics to be the same as the SOT sorcerer, our Exalteds and other sorcerers know "2 powers from the discipline of Change and/or Vengeance", meaning they have 4 powers. What on earth. 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Xenith

[Prot]

Interesting write up on goonhammer: https://www.goonhammer.com/the-goonhammer-faq-hot-take-codex-thousand-sons/

 

A bit of a nerf here, making it clear that Rubricae know one power picked from either of their two disciplines, not one from each. This drops their power level a bit, but also significantly reduces the amount of bookkeeping you need to do for the army.

Didn't even realise people were interpreting it that way.

 

 

Yea, me neither. That's quite a stretch!

 

But I did forget about the 2+ Fatebow overwatch, but at the same time, I still can't find it in me to put them back in the list. 

[Mushkilla]

 

Interesting write up on goonhammer: https://www.goonhammer.com/the-goonhammer-faq-hot-take-codex-thousand-sons/

 

A bit of a nerf here, making it clear that Rubricae know one power picked from either of their two disciplines, not one from each. This drops their power level a bit, but also significantly reduces the amount of bookkeeping you need to do for the army.

Didn't even realise people were interpreting it that way.

Wait. That just breaks the internet. If the And/Or meant they could take a power from each discipline, and GW closed that wording loophole for the Rubrics to be the same as the SOT sorcerer, our Exalteds and other sorcerers know "2 powers from the discipline of Change and/or Vengeance", meaning they have 4 powers. What on earth.

We've literally been here before (with people thinking and/or is 4 powers rather than 2). Pretty sure it was the same train wreck with our 8th ed codex. But can't find the old 8th ed FAQ.

 

Honestly, I think they were just removing a superfluous and (as they only have one power). Goonhammer has blown it up by not understand and/or, and/or grammar. :)

Edited September 17, 2021 by Mushkilla

[Xenith]

 

. Goonhammer has blown it up by not understand and/or, and/or grammar.

 

For sure

[Prot]

But hey... let's not gloss over that 2+ overwatch for greatbows! WOooO! 

 

I kid.... I kid, but seriously I used these guys in my first 2 games I think with the new Dex and I don't see them ever returning without a serious change... 1+ overwatch? 

[dice4thedicegod]

. Goonhammer has blown it up by not understand and/or, and/or grammar. :)

40K is a parody of all kinds of totalitarianism, so grammar nazis seem on point.