The Glorious Future of the Eternal Crusade!

[Sword Brother Adelard]

With everything now out in the open, the review embargos lifted and there being no more rumours or teasers to come. It strikes me that the rumours thread has served its blessed purpose, and we should start a new thread to discuss the contents of the new supplement, although maybe a separate thread for lore might be wise too?

 

First up, Goonhammer reviews of the rules and box:

 

https://www.goonhammer.com/codex-supplement-black-templars-the-goonhammer-review/

 

https://www.goonhammer.com/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-black-templars-boxed-set/

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Tabletop tactics review: https://youtu.be/w7_ODfyaEBE

 

Sprues and Brews: https://spruesandbrews.com/2021/10/09/warhammer-40000-new-codex-supplement-black-templars-review-and-army-set-unboxing-40k-9th-edition/

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Edit:double post Edited October 9, 2021 by Brother Adelard

[Bradeh]

Rules wise Sword Brethren are massive letdown. Suffer from the one of each loadout syndrome and are to odd cousin to Bladeguard and Assault Intercessors. Vanguard Vets are more interesting. 

[Marshal Reinhard]

I'm more interested in what Laeroth has to say than any of these reviewers. I don't know how long they've had the book, but probably not the half year something he has had it?  Though getting hard deets should possible finally.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Centurions may also be interesting now too, combined with an LRC.

 

Also, firstborn crusaders with uphold can still gain the -1 to hit with smokescreen?

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Also, TT have pointed out one janky rule, paragon of fury currently doesn't say that the +1 strength if you complete a charge ends at the end of a round.

So if you charge the warlord multiple times, you just get stronger!

Expect a FAQ!

[BitsHammer]

Vehicle Upgrades

As well as character options, the Datasheets section also includes the Black Templars Armoury, which enables you to take a multi-melta upgrade on Primaris vehicles (i.e. Impulsors, Gladiators, and Repulsors). This will run you 20pts, which isn’t cheap, but if you were lacking multi-meltas in your life then throwing one on an Impulsor is certainly an option you can choose. Bearing in mind that you can have a 5+ invulnerable save on those for free with Uphold the Honour of the Emperor, spending your shield dome points on one of these instead might well work out.

Oh my.

[Kastor Krieg]

Sword Brethren being locked to the per-model loadouts is such a bummer. 

[Sword Brother Adelard]

 

Vehicle Upgrades

As well as character options, the Datasheets section also includes the Black Templars Armoury, which enables you to take a multi-melta upgrade on Primaris vehicles (i.e. Impulsors, Gladiators, and Repulsors). This will run you 20pts, which isn’t cheap, but if you were lacking multi-meltas in your life then throwing one on an Impulsor is certainly an option you can choose. Bearing in mind that you can have a 5+ invulnerable save on those for free with Uphold the Honour of the Emperor, spending your shield dome points on one of these instead might well work out.

Oh my.

Looks again at his impulsors and LRC multi melta turrets...

[Sete]

Helbrecth is a blender machine. Love it.

[Marshal Reinhard]

shield dome and uphold wouldn't stake? so missile and mm? too expensive to be cost effective?

[Sete]

I haven't had the time to read this properly, but can a primaris Crusader squad initiate be equipped with a power weapon?

[BitsHammer]

Danny's Hot Takes from Mob Rules: 

[Brother Carpenter]

Hmm Uphold the honour of the emperor is better than the original vow. Original you'd get a 6+ invul save, and now a 5+....

Edited October 9, 2021 by Brother Carpenter

[Sword Brother Adelard]

I haven't had the time to read this properly, but can a primaris Crusader squad initiate be equipped with a power weapon?

I'm not sure. One review almost suggested as much, others didn't mention the idea.

[Dosjetka]

I haven't had the time to read this properly, but can a primaris Crusader squad initiate be equipped with a power weapon?

The only power weapon option on a Primaris Crusader Squad Initiate is a power fist, which can be taken as 2 PF per 10 models (alternate options are the pyreblaster or heavy bolt pistol*, also 2 per 10).

 

*this is probably a mistake but it's what it says in the book

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Better than nothing, and you can make it a relic

[Marshal Reinhard]

Huh. So the Crusader sword brother is limited to axe or sword and fist has to go on an initate? Well. I wasn't expecting anything at all beyond the pyre blaster, so I'll chalk it up as a win.

[Marshal Laeroth]

I'm more interested in what Laeroth has to say than any of these reviewers. I don't know how long they've had the book, but probably not the half year something he has had it? Though getting hard deets should possible finally.

Oh, I have so much to say. So much to talk about. The combos in this book are awesome. We have so much play now.

[Sete]

 

 

I haven't had the time to read this properly, but can a primaris Crusader squad initiate be equipped with a power weapon?

The only power weapon option on a Primaris Crusader Squad Initiate is a power fist, which can be taken as 2 PF per 10 models (alternate options are the pyreblaster or heavy bolt pistol*, also 2 per 10).

 

*this is probably a mistake but it's what it says in the book

Weird, but I'll manage.

Can primaris Crusader squads combat squad?

Better than nothing, and you can make it a relic

I'll just use it as count as then. I expect a faq to adress a few things.

[LordValandil]

Definitely agreed on the Sword Brethren, though I do like the “no suffering from passions” rule they have!

[General Strike]

It's weird that sword brothers are locked like that since they showed a sword brother unit with three power swords in a picture. Not surprising that GW ignores the rules when displaying stuff, but still. I'll be getting shields for them, and building them to be much cooler Bladeguard veterans.

[T14]

My main concern is the possible loadouts are for the primaris crusader squad.

Any other shooty options than pyreblasters and autorifles?

no power swords or axes for initiates?

 

It's weird that sword brothers are locked like that since they showed a sword brother unit with three power swords in a picture. Not surprising that GW ignores the rules when displaying stuff, but still. I'll be getting shields for them, and building them to be much cooler Bladeguard veterans.

it is my understanding that any SB can exchange a chainsword for a powersword.

[Marshal Reinhard]

 

it is my understanding that any SB can exchange a chainsword for a powersword.

Yes. Every single model can have a power sword (!)

 

Axe, Maul, Hammer, dual claws as well as plasma pistol is limited to one each, and Pyre pistol is 2 each if the squad is 9 models or fewer. If you have 10 models, its 2 each, and 4 pyre pistols.