Any valid reason why Primaris can't board Land Raiders?

[Robbienw]

Will be interesting to see if they let Primaris use the Spartan when the new 30k plastic releases come out. Edited October 14, 2021 by Robbienw

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Its a software issue.

[appiah4]

 

 

 

I wish people would stop looking for an in game explanation for an out of universe decision

Sometimes people just want to vent.

I sympathise with this, but I do see this Primaris VS Firstborn debate crop up very often, in one form or another. It has been over 4 years since Primaris were introduced, at this point. One could argue that people should simply move on and accept the state of things, or reject them entirely and walk away from this particular aspect of the Hobby. We can't be in a state of anger and frustration over something this trivial for half a decade.

 

People say that defending Primaris is a baiting the community, but perhaps at this point complaining about them is the bait.

Not a mind reader, so I can't say what OP's motivation was for sure, but to me it looks like someone who wishes they could have more of a reason to bring their Land Raider to games.

 

Land Raiders have been popular since their introduction way back when, so it seems reasonable that people would like to be able to use them with their Primaris Marines.

 

This is spot on.  You might be psychic.

[MegaVolt87]

Split or squat loyalist firstborn SM GW, tired of the hand wringing. Edited October 15, 2021 by MegaVolt87

[Marshal Reinhard]

 

This is spot on.  You might be psychic.

The answer is "no", then. You won't find it in universe. 

[Karhedron]

Split or squat loyalist firstborn SM GW, tired of the hand wringing.

Why bother? It is not like there are broken synergies that need addressing. Let people run whatever mix floats their boats.

[MegaVolt87]

Too much min/max potential with firstborn and primaris. The points can never be truely balanced for each as long as they are together. Also the extensive firstborn FW catalogue, and SM dex flyers are hampering primaris dev potential in those areas. They need to either seperate or squat firstborn from primaris for loyalists for both to grow.

[phandaal]

Too much min/max potential with firstborn and primaris. The points can never be truely balanced for each as long as they are together. Also the extensive firstborn FW catalogue, and SM dex flyers are hampering primaris dev potential in those areas. They need to either seperate or squat firstborn from primaris for loyalists for both to grow.

 

No, they don't.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Too much min/max potential with firstborn and primaris. The points can never be truely balanced for each as long as they are together. Also the extensive firstborn FW catalogue, and SM dex flyers are hampering primaris dev potential in those areas. They need to either seperate or squat firstborn from primaris for loyalists for both to grow.

What growth, exactly, would there be for Firstborn at this point?

[MegaVolt87]

Why would there be a rush for primaris flyers when there are so many firstborn ones in the dex? Why have a primaris super heavy flyer when they can use the thunderhawk? Why have primaris in a LR when they have the repulsor? Why take the over pointed ATV when one can thank attack bikes? Why is there a priority for a fast primaris melee unit, players love vanguard vets. Get the pattern yet? Firstborn and primaris are stepping on each other's toes. I would be surprised if there were non SM players who don't find the firstborn and primaris min/maxing combo's overbearing.

 

As far as firstborn development, FW pread varients could move to plastic and to the codex, same with the storm eagle and fire raptor as heavy fliers. Plastic Spartan, would also be a good LOW for the SM dex. Probably a couple other FW units for SM. Oh and that would be balanced if it had no synergies with primaris like now.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

So your idea of development for the Firstborn is. . . FW resin converted to FW plastic?  That's a laughable idea of "development."

[MegaVolt87]

So your idea of development for the Firstborn is. . . FW resin converted to FW plastic?  That's a laughable idea of "development."

 

Why re-invent the wheel for firstborn straight away when they already have so much to work with right now? Primaris are between a rock and a hard place, seen as supplanting firstborn, while at the same time relying on them for filling the gaps in their range. How can the points balance for firstborn when they would take away from primaris? A LR should be more like 200-225 points realistically with no other changes. Its inflated and not compatible with primaris to encourage use of their armoured units. Splitting the two variant SM and backfilling SM with FW kits that can be codex ones without much drama, gives GW time to fill the missing gaps in primaris more quickly as they are then more noticeable, while firstborn can breathe again outside the shadow of primaris standing independently of them. Combined SM and primaris is the root of issues of SM points, armoured vehicle performance and more.