Banjulhu Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 I kind of want to run 5 Assault Centurions and a firstborn Apothecary in a Land Raider Crusader whilst Helbrecht and 5 Baldeguard ride alongside in an Impulsor under Uphold the Honour of the Emperor and have them all dive out into the centre of the board in the first turnWill it work well? Not a chance.Will it be fun?Yes. I also want to put the Tannhauser's Bones on a Chappie Dread and then put it in a drop pod for a turn 1 arrival, maybe with a squad of shooty vets and a Techmarine in another drop pod arriving nearby. N1SB 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
rye0006 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Chaplain dread can't have relics annoyingly. Otherwise I'd be all over that! templargdt 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5756962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) Chaplain dread can't have relics annoyingly. Otherwise I'd be all over that! The wording is that they can't take the relics listed in space marine codex. "If your army is led by an ADEPTUS ASTARTES WARLORD, you can, when mustering your army, give one of the following Chapter Relics to an ADEPTUS ASTARTES CHARACTER model from your army. Named characters and VEHICLE models cannot be given any of the following Relics." This wording does not exist in the new supplement as it only stipulates that named characters cant take the relics listed. Edited October 24, 2021 by Banjulhu N1SB 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5756963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) Yeah but the BT unit upgrade relics only apply to infantry and biker units, and excludes all characters... (EDIT: Was thinking of the wrong relic... too many bone relics dammit) Edited October 25, 2021 by tvih templargdt and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5756966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 Tannhauser's Bones is a normal Black Templar relic available to characters in an army as long as there is a Black Templar warlord present not one of the Chaplain linked unit upgrade things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5756968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) Tannhauser's Bones a bit wasted on Chappy Dread when he's already -1D. Put it on the Apothecary so he can survive enemy snipers, that way he can stick around to keep reviving the Centurion SB (who will no doubt be Champion of the Feast and have master-crafted Siege Drills & the ignore AP1&2 relic...!) Edited October 24, 2021 by Brother Kraskor templargdt 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5756972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 Tannhauser's Bones a bit wasted on Chappy Dread when he's already -1D. Put it on the Apothecary so he can survive enemy snipers, that way he can stick around to keep reviving the Centurion SB (who will no doubt be Champion of the Feast and have master-crafted Siege Drills & the ignore AP1&2 relic...!) I wont lie, having a super centurion that just wont die was the plan. Also I'm of thinking a lot of meltaguns in the squad but that may make them too big a target because 10 melta shots ignoring cover is the kind of thing that just screams "Please remove use from the table post haste". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5756977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 I’m sure a dreadnaught can’t take any relics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 They can as long as GW did not cock up their rules writing and that never happens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 No they can’t. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 No they can’t. Why not? The relic wording in the new supplement is "If your army is led by an BLACK TEMPLARS WARLORD, you can, when mustering your army, give one of the following Relics of the Eternal Crusade to an BLACK TEMPLARS CHARACTER model from your army instead of giving them a Relic from |Codex Space Marines. These are considered to Be Chapter Reiics for all real purposes. Named characters cannot be given any of the following Relics." This deviates from the main codex relic wording which expressly calls our "Named characters and VEHICLE models" as being unable to take the relics listed. Kastor Krieg 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Isn’t the chaplain dreadnaught in legends now though ? templargdt 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 It probably is, but for the sake of argument that doesnt constitite a counterargument yet. Im sure there is other wording that does though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Clausel Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) The Chaplain dread is legends now yes. Does that mean it cant be used in competitive games? And Banjulhu is right it is worded differently in the supplement but im pretty sure that is a mistake though! Maybe it will get FAQed? But raw he is right. Edited October 25, 2021 by Sir Clausel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 The Chaplain dread is legends now yes. Does that mean it cant be used in competitive games? Sort of. GW dont include them in their balance passes and so suggest that legends units might be unbalanced and so it is up to tournament organisers as to whether to allow them which is hilarious given the meta warping that the 100% tournament legal Dark Eldar and Ad Mech have done in the last half a year. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 While not illegal, it's certainly disingenuous to take a relic on the Chaplain Dread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I don’t think forgeworld even sells the model now . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Don't want to troll or hurt any person, but I think player playing legends just want happy gaming and don't care about rules details at all. Kastor Krieg 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 I don’t think forgeworld even sells the model now . They have not done so for years hence why it was pushed out of Imperial Armour at the start of 9th ed, but it was a popular kit in itls day and thanks to all the ornate dreadnaught chasis FW still sell or even the venerable dread kit from the standard marine line it's not hard to make a cool looking conversions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Don't want to troll or hurt any person, but I think player playing legends just want happy gaming and don't care about rules details at all. Agreed, I don’t know every unit in legends but those I’m familiar with are worse by far than regular/supported stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 It’s cheesy since it’s less than 10 wounds and would get the LoS rules plus bodyguards. Taking a relic would be even more so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 The Chaplain dread is legends now yes. Does that mean it cant be used in competitive games? Sort of. GW dont include them in their balance passes and so suggest that legends units might be unbalanced and so it is up to tournament organisers as to whether to allow them which is hilarious given the meta warping that the 100% tournament legal Dark Eldar and Ad Mech have done in the last half a year. maybe 1 of 1k tourneys will allow it. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 And that’s maybe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 So, the TL;DR for any new people: -Probably not the best and highest use of your modeling time and money to make Chaplain Dreadnought with the expectation that you can put Tannhauser's Bones on him for lolz. Highly likely that due to a.) a wording FAQ/errata in the codex and/or b.)strict rulings on legends models, that this combo would not be allowed. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I’m sure Tannhauser is turning in his grave. templargdt 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372090-good-bad-ideas/#findComment-5757324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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