Good Bad Ideas

[templargdt]

Assault Centurions with Apothecary in LRC seems pretty great TBH.  I wouldn't bother with the meltaguns.  

[Marshal Reinhard]

I’m sure Tannhauser is turning in his grave.

I'm not sure he could, what with the missing bones and all

[rye0006]

Assault Centurions with Apothecary in LRC seems pretty great TBH. I wouldn't bother with the meltaguns.

I models mine with the meltaguns, it does make them incredibly lethal against priority targets, but also a massive target themselves. They've got hurricane bolters to help with hordes, though I do love flamers. Not sure if I should remodel mine.

[Banjulhu]

It's only 50pts for a 5 marine to replace their flamers with 10 meltaguns and for the most part I think that will pay off a lot more than the flamers.

I'm also curious to see how an outrider squad with a Champion of the Feast Sgt packing with a master crafted chainsword would do. It's not ground breaking hence why it is part of my good bad ideas but they are a lot less threatening than Centurions so will likely not be a major target priority for an opponent and so will hopefully get a chance to hit above their weight.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

How's this for some Crusade nonsense: The Emperor's Champion is not a named character, so can gain experience, and battle traits?!

[templargdt]

It's only 50pts for a 5 marine to replace their flamers with 10 meltaguns and for the most part I think that will pay off a lot more than the flamers.

 

I'm also curious to see how an outrider squad with a Champion of the Feast Sgt packing with a master crafted chainsword would do. It's not ground breaking hence why it is part of my good bad ideas but they are a lot less threatening than Centurions so will likely not be a major target priority for an opponent and so will hopefully get a chance to hit above their weight.

I dunno, 50 points is 50 points and if you're close enough to melta you're probably close enough to assault it, right?  Isn't this tremendous overkill?

 

The outrider idea is interesting but wouldn't regular bikes be a better choice?

[Banjulhu]

Not sure, 3 Outriders comes in at 150pts has 3 less wounds than 150pts of bikes (5 bikes), but on the charge the 3 Outriders get 19 attacks compared to the 5 bikes pumping out 16 attacks if you give them chainswords.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Biker sarge can rock power fist right (1st born) ?

[Mandragola]

It's reasonable to look for ways to make outriders work. I don't think there are any, sadly. GW's commitment to keeping Primaris kits' options to only what's in the box just cripples the unit.

 

Their points cost is also absurd. They only cost a little bit less than an attack bike with a multimelta. Those two things can't both be right.

 

I think the idea of chucking Centurions out of a LRC might work. Something is going to get shot, a lot. It's a shame they aren't Core, meaning you can't use the flamer blast strat on them.

 

In terms of who to take for the final spot an Apothecary makes sense. The only other option I'd potentially consider would be an Inquisitor like Cotaez.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Templars won’t work with psychic Inquisitors though.

[templargdt]

It's reasonable to look for ways to make outriders work. I don't think there are any, sadly. GW's commitment to keeping Primaris kits' options to only what's in the box just cripples the unit.

 

Their points cost is also absurd. They only cost a little bit less than an attack bike with a multimelta. Those two things can't both be right.

 

I think the idea of chucking Centurions out of a LRC might work. Something is going to get shot, a lot. It's a shame they aren't Core, meaning you can't use the flamer blast strat on them.

 

In terms of who to take for the final spot an Apothecary makes sense. The only other option I'd potentially consider would be an Inquisitor like Cotaez.

Apoth for sure.  

[tvih]

Templars won’t work with psychic Inquisitors though.

Sure they do. Well, in the "current" official fluff, anyway. Like Greyfax?

[Banjulhu]

They have even been able to ally in a Grey Knights and psyker inquisitors since way back in 4th ed

[SkimaskMohawk]

The LRC idea is completely dependant on threat saturation and prevalence of heavy anti armour in the opposing list. It can either get sunk by Raiders or chicken walkers, or it can easily deliver the assault unit and provide fire support.

 

I've used Centurions a lot in 9th with my Raven guard, and I think it's interesting to think about the meltas and hurricanes. It's not about dumping everything into one target; you can chaf clear with the LRC and the cent hurricanes and target secondary threats with the meltas. I think, ultimately, the cent bus is a distraction and making your opponent commit too much in fear and then being frustrating to clean up is their point. I would only try 3 or so to start before dumping too much into it.

[Casual Heresy]

The Centurions in a LRC idea is something I'd like to try. I'd go flamers personally. Because they're firstborn, Centurions only pay 1CP to use the Heretic's Pyre stratagem. That plus hurricane bolters could be a good chaff clearer before charging into a different, big scary target.

[Charlo]

The Centurions in a LRC idea is something I'd like to try. I'd go flamers personally. Because they're firstborn, Centurions only pay 1CP to use the Heretic's Pyre stratagem. That plus hurricane bolters could be a good chaff clearer before charging into a different, big scary target.

 

They're not CORE so can't use the stratagem :)

[Mandragola]

Yeah the absence of that Core keyword, which I think every other non-character infantry model has, is a bit odd. I guess they're half way to being vehicles, but not as far gone as dreadnoughts, which are Core. Oh well.

 

That said, I think it does add to the case for sending them off on their own in a LRC or something. Other units would be missing out on buffs by doing so, but not these guys. An Apothecary can still bring them back from the dead and give them FNP, too. I think an Inquisitor is an interesting alternative option for the last spot in the transport, though on the whole I probably agree that the apothecary is better.

[Casual Heresy]

 

The Centurions in a LRC idea is something I'd like to try. I'd go flamers personally. Because they're firstborn, Centurions only pay 1CP to use the Heretic's Pyre stratagem. That plus hurricane bolters could be a good chaff clearer before charging into a different, big scary target.

 

They're not CORE so can't use the stratagem

 

 

Right you are, thats what I get for getting carried away. Still enough dakka to make Orks envious though!

[9x19 Parabellum]

There was a time I liked Centurions. 

 

I went back to the GW webstore to look at the models again and consider making a place in my army for them.

 

Fugly does not even begin to describe how I feel about them, particulary the assault centurions with their gangly, stupid looking orangutan arms.

 

I like your idea, but it's a hard pass for me becuase the models are nauseatingly bad.

Edited October 26, 2021 by 9x19 Parabellum

[Banjulhu]

Centurions are likely not core because they would be too powerful for their points if they could benefit from easy rerolls and unit buffs.

[Mandragola]

There was a time I liked Centurions. 

 

I went back to the GW webstore to look at the models again and consider making a place in my army for them.

 

Fugly does not even begin to describe how I feel about them, particulary the assault centurions with their gangly, stupid looking orangutan arms.

 

I like your idea, but it's a hard pass for me becuase the models are nauseatingly bad.

I do agree that the Centurion models are horrible, but they can be improved. I've got some for my Crimson Fists that I've given Aggressor heads and that looks pretty good. If I made any more I think I'd make up a whole new thing, probably based on Aggressors with some other bits stuck on.

 

There are some really bad things about the model. They've gone to a lot of trouble to show how the guy's legs fit in but then forgotten that he has arms at all. And somehow they have hurricane bolters or missile launchers that have no volume, no ammo and so on.

 

It does kind of help that they're not very good. I'd feel more tempted to spend time on a conversion if they worked bettter. I think this is especially true for BTs as they don't benefit a huge amount from a 5++. That seems to help aggressors a lot more.

 

On the other hand, I think the OP is right to be considering them. The LRC strat exists and I think Centurions are pretty clearly the best unit to use for it. If you could do this with any transport (as White Scars can, though they can't then charge) it would let you chuck a unit of aggressors out of a repulsor, which might be fun. This seems to me like not a particularly bad idea, basically. 

[tvih]

Centurions have been a total rollercoaster power-wise since their introduction. Currently far, far too costly in points. I have one trio for CF but currently zero reason to use them. I don't hate the models - at least as long as I leave out the waist/groin plates - but neither do I like them so as to use them regardless of power :P

[SkimaskMohawk]

Yeah the absence of that Core keyword, which I think every other non-character infantry model has, is a bit odd. I guess they're half way to being vehicles, but not as far gone as dreadnoughts, which are Core. Oh well.

Centurions were abused by a couple of chapters early into 8.5 and took a ton of compounding nerfs for their trouble. I think the fists whole vigilus detachment+doctrine really sealed the deal, but the Raven guards shenanigans with assault Centurions also added to it. So now they don't get core or bolter discipline.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Standard GW overcorrection

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

They should be core.