Wolves starting to lose appeal for me

[Plague _Lord]

Brothers and sisters of the Vlka Fenryka dark have been my thoughts of late...

 

 

... I think I'm starting to get bored by my wolves, the appeal of their asthetics have seemed to worn off me. I don't know why tbh. I've enjoyed the modelling process and also painting them up. I think I don't like how they play, I'm not sure. Maybe it's the release of the new Black Templars that kind of just opened my eyes to how bland the SW codex was - our new unit wasn't really "new" and we don't really have any cool and unique mechanics. 

 

Maybe it's because when I play, it's in a quite competitive environment and I have a compelling notion to build effective, meta army lists and necassarily what I would want?

 

It's gotten so bad that I'm thinking about selling the army and using the proceeds to start a BT army, which has solid rules (so fun on the tabletop) and equally fun modelling perspectives + a whole lot of grimdark.

 

Have you had these bouts of doubt? 

[Dark Shepherd]

What happens come 10th edition if Wolves are better than Templars? Or our unique units get better again? Or Russ comes back? Or they start to roll out chapter specific new Primaris? Or new generic units come out that help us?

 

Wolf successor chapters still seem to do well in tournaments too

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

Use the BT rules with your models? Repaint them as a crusading chapter with a viking theme instead of knights? Maybe do a few new models for some of the unique units with the BT rules.

[Kallas]

Use the BT rules with your models? Repaint them as a crusading chapter with a viking theme instead of knights? Maybe do a few new models for some of the unique units with the BT rules.

 

Yeah this. While I haven't played any 40k (only Kill Team) in a good while, my Howling Griffons (by the rules, should be using Ultramarines rules) have been Space Wolves for a good long time. No-one in my area cares; play what you want. If someone kicks up a fuss, just find other opponents.

 

Your area might be into competitive games, that's fine: as long as you're upfront and can give a good, clear breakdown of which units are which, it shouldn't be a problem. The only area it might be an issue is tournaments depending on how strict they are, so always get the TO's approval first (and you may want to invest in some kind of cheatsheet/visual aid to give to your opponents as a way to make things easier).

 

But yeah, definitely use BT rules with your current models, at least as a test to see if you actually do enjoy BT more than SW. It might actually just be 40k burnout disguised as SW burnout. One of the reasons I haven't been playing 40k since stuff around me has reopened is because, well , 9th isn't really all that balanced again. As always, some armies fall behind while others get lovingly crafted rules that maintain their feel while giving them good power in the field.

[Wispy]

I switched to hobbying Stormcast for a bit myself. The fire will return one day.

[Harald Fairmane]

People get tired of stuff all the time, if you are tired of wolves and want to move on, do it. This is a fun hobby not a chore.

 

If you want to play competitively wolves are still very much so. Check out Jon kitkullen from goonhammer for example.

[CrystalSeer]

Brothers and sisters of the Vlka Fenryka dark have been my thoughts of late...

 

 

... I think I'm starting to get bored by my wolves, the appeal of their asthetics have seemed to worn off me. I don't know why tbh. I've enjoyed the modelling process and also painting them up. I think I don't like how they play, I'm not sure. Maybe it's the release of the new Black Templars that kind of just opened my eyes to how bland the SW codex was - our new unit wasn't really "new" and we don't really have any cool and unique mechanics.

 

Maybe it's because when I play, it's in a quite competitive environment and I have a compelling notion to build effective, meta army lists and necassarily what I would want?

 

It's gotten so bad that I'm thinking about selling the army and using the proceeds to start a BT army, which has solid rules (so fun on the tabletop) and equally fun modelling perspectives + a whole lot of grimdark.

 

Have you had these bouts of doubt?

 

As mentioned above, this happens all the time. I've been playing for over 20 years and I've played most of the armies in the game.

 

Black Templar is the new shiny codex. If you want to play them, go for it, but know they are not really better or worse off than wolves, just different.

 

Selling off armies starts you back at square one, so you need to make sure you're making a good deal for yourself. Will you make enough money from the sale to finance another army? BT are currently one box at $200. Buying crusader squads can easily cost another $240, then you start getting specialists and maybe transports. Before you know it, you've spent a grand getting space marine kits and still need painting supplies.

 

Not sure what it's like where you're at, but the most I've ever gotten for an army is $800.

 

Last thing I'll say is, for many of us, figuring out the army is a big part of the fun. When stuff doesn't change for too long, it gets static and boring.

 

One of the big reasons I like wolves is they can play at every phase. Good shooting, good cc, good maneuver options. If you're just bored you could always try and pick a new theme and figure out how to make it work. Ones I've done:

 

-drop assault

-phobos

-elite melee

-mass melee

-maneuver fires

[Wispy]

selling your army is a lot of work. it's hard to get good value, especially with a nice paint job believe it or not.

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by Wispy

[Plague _Lord]

Thanks for the replies. 

I'm not a meta chaser so my army doesn't have to be the strongest... I would just like to play some competitve warhammer with a few builds that can actually work instead of getting thrashed each game. While my wolves are dread heavy, they started out as an all infantry project. I played a couple of game however and got utterly destroyed in each (to the point of it not being fun at all) and bought a couple of redemptors. I'm just not sure this dread bonanza is my cup of tea, but it seems to be a must in a competitve environment.

 

And for me gaming is about the feels - sure I can proxy something from time to time but to use SW models with BT (or any other chapter's) rules seems off.

 

The weird thing for me is that I'm thinking about selling my necrons aswell - I just don't seem to have fun playing with them.... on the other hand I've been playing Deathguard since the 3.5 codex and they never bore me and I will probably never sell them.

 

I don't know, maybe I'm just not a SW at heart? I have a game lined up today with my wolves. I'll see what it's like - maybe this dull will pass with a good game.

[CrystalSeer]

Well, of you're feeling shoehorned in to playing dread-spam that's probably your culprit. Why are your infantry getting trashed?

[Xenith]

 

It's gotten so bad that I'm thinking about selling the army and using the proceeds to start a BT army, which has solid rules (so fun on the tabletop) and equally fun modelling perspectives + a whole lot of grimdark.

 

if you sell your army every time a different army has better rules...you'll never have an army.

 

90% of space marine armies use the same models. Just get the new codex. If you listen to BT players, there's plenty that are disappointed with the new codex, so who's to say you wont be also? 

[VIth]

I've had these thoughts since Thunderwolves Cavalry and Wulfen were introduced to the army and forever killed the focus on our unique infantry.  I sold off everything to focus on a pure Primaris SW army and have been generally happy every since.  The Sword Brethren and Primaris Crusader squad give me hope for Primaris Grey Hunters, etc.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Thanks for the replies. 

I'm not a meta chaser so my army doesn't have to be the strongest... I would just like to play some competitve warhammer with a few builds that can actually work instead of getting thrashed each game. While my wolves are dread heavy, they started out as an all infantry project. I played a couple of game however and got utterly destroyed in each (to the point of it not being fun at all) and bought a couple of redemptors. I'm just not sure this dread bonanza is my cup of tea, but it seems to be a must in a competitve environment.

 

And for me gaming is about the feels - sure I can proxy something from time to time but to use SW models with BT (or any other chapter's) rules seems off.

 

The weird thing for me is that I'm thinking about selling my necrons aswell - I just don't seem to have fun playing with them.... on the other hand I've been playing Deathguard since the 3.5 codex and they never bore me and I will probably never sell them.

 

I don't know, maybe I'm just not a SW at heart? I have a game lined up today with my wolves. I'll see what it's like - maybe this dull will pass with a good game.

 

I emphasized the most important part of your post. Right now your favorite army is in great shape you should be enjoying them. I think if you start BT your going to have similar buyers remorse. I would suggest buying the templars supplement to get a good feel for it but don't rush in. Only start them if you think they'll never bore you.

 

I'm pretty similar I started wolves back in 5th and since then they've been my favorite. I have started other projects but I never really like them as much as my wolves, and looking back at it I wasted a fair amount of money. I would hold onto to a spare army just for when the DG book starts to feel dated but they should be your main focus. 

[Karack Blackstone]

I think the issue about SW's has been around for a while, it's just that GW doesn't seem to quite grasp it yet.

 

SW's are Vikings that wear wolf pelts and have wolf blood.

 

GW constantly ships us Wolf, Wolf, Wolf, and more wolf on top because they think it's what the Vlka are.

 

That's the burnout for me in a nutshell. Once the SW's get Viking rules again, just with some differences, and some P-GH's would be wonderful along with Assault Intercessors being P-BC's would be a fun change. Hellblasters going P-PF with rules for both basic and the Primaris parts added, just P-LF's in essence, and it'd make more sense.

 

I think TWC are an interesting niche, however the over the top wolf part is getting bad with GW. Bladeguard Veterans are also solid for Wolves, it's just that Wulfen don't sit well with me although they make sense on the field as they're currently decent, just not great.

 

As of 8th Ediiton, the SM Chapters were largely points pinched as they never seem to get the, "For every four points, a fifth point free," that the rules seem to imply for all. SM/'s and Chaos never got this discount, so it largely soured the game for entire player bases of those armies.

 

Ninth isn't shaping up much better, the points are all base wise, and anything SM still seems to not get the built in 9th Ed. pts. discounts however they're doing them now.

 

Points isn't GW's strong suit, sadly.

 

Overall, I have an 18 K list to get the vehicles and transports for, along with more models that need painting in time. I just guess that my WP's are able to reverse the damage Wulfen do to the regular SW's in my forces, since that's gotta be addressed lore wise now. So overall, head canon what one needs to, identify your meta army, and then try to have fun and get good at the game with it.

 

What form of SW's army do you think you need? Troops without rides get shot to pieces, you'll need Rhinos at least. 6" every turn plus advance isn't going to see you get anywhere.

 

6 Primaris Intercessors with ABR's and a TH Sgt. in an Impulsor is nothing to sneeze at, I plan to run five of these in my 18K list, and one with Ragnar, BGV's, and a Chappy with BGV Ancient as my sixth Impulsor. All of them will have the Shield Dome. I also plan to press with lots of other models, overall, however even as a base, the force needs to be sensible.

[Wolf Guard Dan]

A lot of good advice on this thread. I endorse the idea of having multiple armies so if one is getting stagnant you can work on a different project or play a different style. You've already got a couple so you're set there.

 

Before you sell just make really sure you won't miss the models you've worked on. Also play a few games with proxying BT before you make the switch. BT may go out of style once the meta adjusts.

 

If you want advise on how to get your army back to the infantry project there are a lot of experienced players here that can help.

 

You are obviously a SW at heart. Making this post asking for support proves it. You got heart. It's the first requirement for being a SW. We all go through ruts in the hobby. Sometimes reading a novel with SW will get me fired up to work on a project. Just finished Helwinter Gate and really enjoyed it compared to the first two novels in the series.

 

Edit: to make sure I was stating clearly.

Edited November 4, 2021 by Wolf Guard Dan

[ranulf the revenant]

Hmmmm, maybe playing more narrative games for the time being would be an idea? Edited November 4, 2021 by ranulf the revenant

[Jukkiz]

I think it´s marine release gatique that´s eating most of us at this point. GW should focus on something else then pushing year after year just marines of different colours.


I´ve been toying with Deathwatch ideas and finding lore lovely and more modelling options when creating killteam members.

[WrathOfTheLion]

I don't think I'd let the changing winds make you sell armies and switch so much.

 

Our new datasheet wasn't really that interesting, but I thought our Codex is quite fun. Maybe it's because I don't really play so much competitive, but I've really liked how we play. Blood Claws, rhinos, etc. are quite fun.

 

The BTs are the new 'cool thing' because they get stuff, but that's going to come around and the other Chapters are going to get things at some point. I'd assume we'll see one or more of BA/DA/SW next year or the year after. At that point, there could be similar fairweather draws if DA get some cool gothic biker unit, or Wolves get some cool new Grey Hunter type.

Edited November 9, 2021 by WrathOfTheLion

[Plague _Lord]

So I played against orks a week ago and I actually had quite some fun.

It was a tough game but I was quite happy with how my army played - it wasn't even space wolves to be honest, but just Bjorn and his old mates locked up in dreads and going on a bender and I think this what I want to go forward with, with my wolves. I played 6 dreads in total and I think I want to bump up that number to 8 dreads and a few infantry models/wolves.

 

I am fed up with wulfen - they hardly do anything a die to a stiff breeze (T5 is nothing) and playing with them is a chore.

 

I might even write up a battle rep since it was against a really comp freebooterz list if anyone is interested.

 

I think I will hold off of selling but the company of bjorn it is for me.

[sbarnby71]

I don't play 40k, I have played a few games of Burning of Prospero and used to play Space Hulk all the time.  My focus is painting, so you might say "well what do you know..."

 

I first started out playing D&D, then someone suggested Warhammer Fantasy battles (this was 30ish years ago), I was hooked on Skaven from the word go, they were my jam.  And in every game I got blitzed and I mean every game, I got shot to pieces before I even got into close combat.  After about a year of playing every week, my group realised we had the board the wrong way round, so no wonder I never made it into close combat!!!  Oh how we laughed & laughed at how I had to slog up a 6 feet long board.  I never stopped playing even though I thought "god I'm crap at this", because I loved hanging out with my mates and trying to kill them.  I left the hobby after about 5 years and got into video games and over time FPS and used to play COD and AvP every week with my mates and yeah I got shot to pieces a lot, but I enjoyed shouting at a screen and trying to kill my mates (and some random kids from around the world - Jeff Vader I will get you one day!!!).

 

So the question would be, do you no longer like the wolves or do you no longer like the game?

[clanfield]

i play the wolves now for 34 years it started as a easer color scheme than my home brew i needed a lot of troops for a massive battle in 88,then they grew on me

 

my saga has fought every enemy there has been from the lucan days through to today ;try as i may the fluff has become a a strange part of me over the years

 

and i will be there for the wolftime and its weird but cool

 

 

to quote conan the barbarian "here me grant me revenge and if not then to hell with you" :P

[Wispy]

Like sbarnby, i am in it for the hobby and don't play the game either.

 

I mean, I can and have, but I dont really enjoy it. Haven't played since the pandenic started.

[TiguriusX]

I'm losing interest in the competitive side (it is way broken currently) and taking a step back as well.

 

But I love the SW lore and story so I am taking it with me to my next hobby investment.

 

Started my first ever D&D campaign and I am basically playing a space wolf warrior in fantasy setting with a warhammer and magic shield who worships the all father!

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

It's good you had fun with your last game with wolves Plague_Lord. 

 

I'm losing interest in the competitive side (it is way broken currently) and taking a step back as well.

But I love the SW lore and story so I am taking it with me to my next hobby investment.

Started my first ever D&D campaign and I am basically playing a space wolf warrior in fantasy setting with a warhammer and magic shield who worships the all father!

 

That's good, I was feeling for you in some of those battle reports because of how perfect you had to play to be in the game. It wasn't like you weren't running good stuff either, hopefully these balance patchs get more aggressive. Kinda feel like the next batch of codex may have made it feel necessary. 

 

I lost a bit of steam with the 2d fighter, but from a competitive stand point it was so much healthier because it's a lot easier to recognize your opponent's skill level in a video game. Do the allfather proud in your campaign.

[Dark Shepherd]

I dont like how matched play in 9th is going so...am making my list a little fluffier/more uniquely wolfy

 

If units I have (painted) or models I like are competitive then super