Tiger9gamer Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Ello! since I keep going back to looking at Forgeworld (old habits die hard....) I am curious to know what kinda models are good, or at least fun and viable for the black templars. I know I personally have a Whirlwind scorpius from a friend, and I customized a predator to be an executioner before it got shunted to legends... but I am looking at other things like the Sicarans, the leviathans, the other dreads... really anything. What is fun and viable? I know certain things like the volkite contemptor or the leviathan are pretty good, but how about other models? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Relic contemptors are a staple in my wolves lists. Whirlwind Scorpius still have some play too. Unusual opinion: I think tarantula turrets are really good for us because they can screen and hold objectives at 40 pts per. BLACK BLΠFLY and Tiger9gamer 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5765039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) The terrax drill get 5++ and reroll to charges in BT. Though I don't know what unit is suitable as passengers. Edited November 18, 2021 by Tokugawa Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5765179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 The drill is great but can’t transport Primaris. Oh well …… Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5765194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 how about the other battle tanks? I still remember when the Spartan was one of the best transports in 40k, and considering how the average LR does now... It may be quite sad to see how far it fell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5765202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Spartan is great but a whole lot of points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5765203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Relic Contemptors with Volkite feel like an IP break to me in 40k, I hate that they're so good. The big flyers are usually pretty decent. A Fire Raptor has ungodly amounts of firepower and getting mini-transhuman and a 5++ combined with the standard -1 to hit makes it pretty damn tanky. Thousand Sons were seeing similar success with it early on (though they get more buffs). You can give it +1 to hit with a Tech-Marine turn one then go hunting too. Tiger9gamer and Castellan Skarskård 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5765302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 I love my Leviathan, take it almost in every list. Tiger9gamer, BLACK BLΠFLY and Prot 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5765319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 I love my Leviathan, take it almost in every list. Leviathan is the dude I am looking at the most ATM, right beside the volkite Contemptor. What is your favorite loadout for the leviathan? I am personally thinking volkite, grav cannon and dread CCW. Relic Contemptors with Volkite feel like an IP break to me in 40k, I hate that they're so good. The big flyers are usually pretty decent. A Fire Raptor has ungodly amounts of firepower and getting mini-transhuman and a 5++ combined with the standard -1 to hit makes it pretty damn tanky. Thousand Sons were seeing similar success with it early on (though they get more buffs). You can give it +1 to hit with a Tech-Marine turn one then go hunting too. I do have my eyes on the contemptor, so this is a good idea for me to get. Fitting a relic contemptor in my lists is pretty hard, just because I love upgrading every character I have and spend half my CP before the games even start, but I always loved forgeworld stuff. The fire raptor is also something I would want, though I have no clue if the extra points for the quad heavy bolters are worth it lol. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5765409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 so how do the sicarans or the vindicator laser destroyers play? In terms of tanks I love the idea of them, but they seem like they would be kicked in the teeth turn 1 unless you got good armor saturation and a diversity of targets...Also, if I ever stop thinking about tanks, how do the rapier platforms perform? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5765974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Yes kicks in the teeth for sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONDIG Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Late to the topic but as Seer mentioned the tarantula platforms are fantastic at the pts for any imperial list imperial. Also like the relic scorpious to keep hidden enemies on their toes. My other fw pick would be the deredo.atomantic Palaise turns it into a low-key void shield or the missle systems for crazy fire support Tiger9gamer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 22, 2021 Author Share Posted November 22, 2021 Late to the topic but as Seer mentioned the tarantula platforms are fantastic at the pts for any imperial list imperial. Also like the relic scorpious to keep hidden enemies on their toes. My other fw pick would be the deredo.atomantic Palaise turns it into a low-key void shield or the missle systems for crazy fire support really? Compared to a sicaran or a redemptor the output seems kinda low on the deredo. I may try and build a TTS list with all these different FW items just to try them out, considering I am a firm believer in try before you buy! ONDIG 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 I think FW is the place to build strong shooting support with Dreads without having the need to take Uphold as vow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 22, 2021 Author Share Posted November 22, 2021 Awesome advice! though I would like to know more about units besides the dreads too, like sicarans or the spartan or something Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Late to the topic but as Seer mentioned the tarantula platforms are fantastic at the pts for any imperial list imperial. Also like the relic scorpious to keep hidden enemies on their toes. My other fw pick would be the deredo.atomantic Palaise turns it into a low-key void shield or the missle systems for crazy fire support really? Compared to a sicaran or a redemptor the output seems kinda low on the deredo. I may try and build a TTS list with all these different FW items just to try them out, considering I am a firm believer in try before you buy! You don't take them for the guns; they are the cheapest way to screen and hold home objectives. Small footprint and t5 make them harder to shift. ONDIG 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 22, 2021 Author Share Posted November 22, 2021 Late to the topic but as Seer mentioned the tarantula platforms are fantastic at the pts for any imperial list imperial. Also like the relic scorpious to keep hidden enemies on their toes. My other fw pick would be the deredo.atomantic Palaise turns it into a low-key void shield or the missle systems for crazy fire support really? Compared to a sicaran or a redemptor the output seems kinda low on the deredo. I may try and build a TTS list with all these different FW items just to try them out, considering I am a firm believer in try before you buy! You don't take them for the guns; they are the cheapest way to screen and hold home objectives. Small footprint and t5 make them harder to shift. I was more talking about the Deredo, not the taurantulas. I know that the servo turrets are not too good, but I don't get the hype on the deredo Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Very unique and powerful guns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 And seriously funny looking if you know what I mean. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 Very unique and powerful guns. How good are they compared to the contemptor's loadout? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Very unique and powerful guns. How good are they compared to the contemptor's loadout? I mean, look up the stats and make an opinion ;) Contemptor Volkite is just massively overtuned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONDIG Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 The Anvilus AC battery 36" Hvy8 S8 -1AP 2dmg Good dmg decent rng w the Deredo targeting allowing it to opt for a + 1 to hit flyers ...not bad? The contemptor w has hvy8 S 7 -1 Ap 1dmg There are plasma or super lascannon options but I haven't looked Tiger9gamer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Crucially though, the Volkite also does on average 2 Mortal wounds on top Tiger9gamer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 I’ve found it quite easy to play around the volkite staying in cover. Iron Hands get the most mileage by far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5766720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONDIG Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Isn't there a variant that can carry khere cannons? Or is that something I made up? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/372365-the-state-of-fw-models-in-black-templars/#findComment-5767366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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