New box set thoughts?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

On Reddit I’m seeing a lot of bitching about all the intercessors in the box, but over all assuming it’s $250 it is a good discount box, and if you don’t like the number of troops choices just make one of the intercessor squads a veteran intercessor squad and boom two troops and two elites with a hq and an FA slot.

[Helias_Tancred]

I think its a great box for starting a marine army. Beyond that? Not as much.

[Lord_Ikka]

Same thoughts as Helias- if a new player is looking to start SM, this would be a great starter box. All of the troops mean that you'll be not needing to grab any more "basic" units, you can just work up your painting skills and get more elite/heavier units moving forward. For a current marine player however, its not so useful unless you need some of the specific units (Storm Speeder or Heavy Intercessors) and don't mind getting more troops. 

[phandaal]

It is a great box for the core of a new Space Marine force. Good Christmas present for someone new to Space Marines or who just wants to start a new Space Marine army.

 

For others, there will be more opportunity to get these things cheap on the reseller market now.

[WrathOfTheLion]

I think the box is fine, although it isn't for me. Were I starting a new force, it would be solid as a core.

 

For new stuff, I've been mostly into CSM, DG and 30k, so it's not what I'm looking for.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I think its a great box for starting a marine army. Beyond that? Not as much.

i think it’s going to be too expensive for any but the most well off newbs.

 

Who is going to spend 250ish on models for a hobby they don’t even know if they’ll enjoy? Not to mention paints and what not.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I think a lot of the criticism has more to do with the box sets for marines in general. They all tend to be troop heavy, and because marines are in every starter most players just don't need more troops. Getting a savings on something that you don't need more of isn't really a savings. It's also tough to recommend that many troops to a new player.

 

I also feel like they missed a bit of an opportunity. I think a gravis force would have been cool. Something like the new captain, and one squad of each of the gravis units so heavy intercessors, aggressors, Inceptors, and eradicators. It still wouldn't be for everyone but it would have a cool theme and it wouldn't overlap so much with all the other starters.   

[Dracos]

These aren't designed for veteran players with a full army. These are designed for players who are new to the game or players who are building a new army. To think otherwise is self-deceiving. 

 

One might not like it, but its smart marketing. 

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

These aren't designed for veteran players with a full army. These are designed for players who are new to the game or players who are building a new army. To think otherwise is self-deceiving.

 

One might not like it, but its smart marketing.

Honestly that's more my issue with the marine one. If your just starting you don't need that many troops. More so because your probably going to have at least another 10 from the starter. As an existing player I can see the appeal of having multiple options in my troop slot but I don't know of a new player is going to be that happy with this.

 

I don't know if that's smart marketing.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I think a lot of the criticism has more to do with the box sets for marines in general. They all tend to be troop heavy, and because marines are in every starter most players just don't need more troops. Getting a savings on something that you don't need more of isn't really a savings. It's also tough to recommend that many troops to a new player.

 

I also feel like they missed a bit of an opportunity. I think a gravis force would have been cool. Something like the new captain, and one squad of each of the gravis units so heavy intercessors, aggressors, Inceptors, and eradicators. It still wouldn't be for everyone but it would have a cool theme and it wouldn't overlap so much with all the other starters.

i keep hoping for a gravis kit, but alas GW hates me

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I don't think that you are an exception Inquisitor_Lensoven. I tend to prefer units with transport options but I really believe a gravis themed box set would do well.

 

Just to clarify why I don't think the Marine box is smart. It has more to do with how well the other box sets work with their fractions combat patrol boxes. They're great starting points because the bundles compliment them. For marines I don't think any of the combat patrols are good fit, there is the honoured of the chapter box but I thought that is a webstore exclusive. 

 

I'd probably try and recommend the BT box, and a combat patrol over the army box set and that isn't the case for any of the other options.

[phandaal]

Love Gravis units. Using a unit of 5 chunky Intercessors for backline objective holders in my mixed wing list.

 

Don't care if they are not the meta choice... They are meta for cool factor!

[TheNewman]

 

I think its a great box for starting a marine army. Beyond that? Not as much.

i think it’s going to be too expensive for any but the most well off newbs.

 

Who is going to spend 250ish on models for a hobby they don’t even know if they’ll enjoy? Not to mention paints and what not.

That's a valid point I think, it's a lot of money to drop all at once for a starter box.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

I think its a great box for starting a marine army. Beyond that? Not as much.

i think it’s going to be too expensive for any but the most well off newbs.

 

Who is going to spend 250ish on models for a hobby they don’t even know if they’ll enjoy? Not to mention paints and what not.

That's a valid point I think, it's a lot of money to drop all at once for a starter box.

ya I don’t hate it, but it definitely seems like they missed the mark completely with this box.

 

I want the speeder, and I want more HIs, and I wouldn’t mind the BGVs, and while I wouldn’t mind the other troops I have no interest in the captain at all.

 

I seem to be the most positive towards it and I’m not even convinced I should buy it.

 

A FAQ to buff veteran intercessors might make this box more attractive as the intercessor models could just be fancied up a bit from a bits box and made into VIs to give people a reason to want more of these models.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Helias_Tancred]

 

I think its a great box for starting a marine army. Beyond that? Not as much.

i think it’s going to be too expensive for any but the most well off newbs.

 

Who is going to spend 250ish on models for a hobby they don’t even know if they’ll enjoy? Not to mention paints and what not.

 

 

Good point.

 

Well-heeled newbies, and veteran players looking to start a new army.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Helias Tancred

[ADragonuFear]

I think it's a good box personally, for a few reasons

1. It's not a bunch of phobos stuff

2. While it is troop heavy, it's one box of each Intercessor type, so while a new player may not use all the units at once, they can swap their troops between game

3. These are the multipart kits, so you're getting the power weapons to magnetize 2 or build several different Sargeants with power fists, chain swords, etc. And the bladeguard can look much different from the monopose ones.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I think it's a good box personally, for a few reasons

1. It's not a bunch of phobos stuff

2. While it is troop heavy, it's one box of each Intercessor type, so while a new player may not use all the units at once, they can swap their troops between game

3. These are the multipart kits, so you're getting the power weapons to magnetize 2 or build several different Sargeants with power fists, chain swords, etc. And the bladeguard can look much different from the monopose ones.

yeah, I don’t hate it as much as some people seem to, but it just seems fairly unimpressive for what it offers.

 

But then again just about any primaris unit at this point has been put into some sort of box set already so a lot of the criticisms leveled at this box would apply if they replaced assault intercessors with aggressors, and BGV with inceptors

[Dracos]

If I were starting a second marine army I’d be all over this. Might even buy two of them if the value was there. I think the stratagems to shoot twice and fight twice are just so good that not taking advantage of them is almost criminal if you have a way to make them effective.

 

That said …. I’m wish listing Gravis HQs so I can play a Gravis only army. It’s not meta but it’s be fun trying to get it to work, because chonkie is the new tda ;)

[MegaVolt87]

I think if they ditched the assault intercessors and added a redemptor dread, this box probably would have been better received. I like infantry myself so this box doesn't bother me with the contents. 

[phandaal]

That said …. I’m wish listing Gravis HQs so I can play a Gravis only army. It’s not meta but it’s be fun trying to get it to work, because chonkie is the new tda

 

Yeah, Heavy Intercessors are not all that great... but god bless 'em they are neat.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

That said …. I’m wish listing Gravis HQs so I can play a Gravis only army. It’s not meta but it’s be fun trying to get it to work, because chonkie is the new tda

Yeah, Heavy Intercessors are not all that great... but god bless 'em they are neat.

they’re not all that great but they’re not bad either.

If they were $60/5 I’d have already bought more.

[Lord_Ikka]

Put them in cover on a rearline objective and Heavy Intercessors are great. Their price is a bit much, but adding them into this box was a good idea, along with the Storm Speeder. The amount of other troops is a turnoff for most established Primaris SM players though.

[phandaal]

 

 

 

That said …. I’m wish listing Gravis HQs so I can play a Gravis only army. It’s not meta but it’s be fun trying to get it to work, because chonkie is the new tda

Yeah, Heavy Intercessors are not all that great... but god bless 'em they are neat.

they’re not all that great but they’re not bad either.

If they were $60/5 I’d have already bought more.

Yeah the price is excessive. Got 10 of them on eBay when nobody really wanted them... Basically same price as normal intercessors.

[Helias_Tancred]

 

That said …. I’m wish listing Gravis HQs so I can play a Gravis only army. It’s not meta but it’s be fun trying to get it to work, because chonkie is the new tda

 

Yeah, Heavy Intercessors are not all that great... but god bless 'em they are neat.

 

 

Agreed. The models are great, their point cost is too much.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I do think it's worth pointing that part of the issue with the box is just how many options you have for marine starter armies. It's just going to be a lot easier to make a box when you only have one combat patrol to compliment. Marines have several combat patrols, new BT box, are one of the starter set armies, and have the vanguard box. It's just hard to find a combination of models that players are excited about.