What is your opinion on grav-bikes?

[Sarvis]

I personally love primaris, they brought me back to loyalist marines. I just think the new bikes are lame, since grav imo would’ve looked better

 

Edit: I’ll add to this that primaris brought me back to the entire hobby after 15+ years, and then new CSM came out in 2019 which solidified my interest in 40k.

Edited December 9, 2021 by Sarvis

[WrathOfTheLion]

I don't really like the grav stuff (mainly I just don't like how they look), and I think grav bikes in particular would've been not cool at all. I like the wheeled bikes better, although I wish the new kit was more flexible.

 

I'd be fine with jetbikes, although since currently for SM only Sammael has one, I think that would be a better opportunity to add as a unique unit for the Ravenwing, as they're the only ones that still have them.

 

As for the nerfs mentioned, firstborn (and especially CSM) needed the 2W, and the fly keyword was always stupid on the repulsor vehicles. It may've been good from a gameplay perspective, but there was never any way to justify that mechanic with how those vehicles are described in the lore. A vehicle that essentially impacts the ground via force has no business doing straight vertical traversals and other things that it allowed.

Edited December 9, 2021 by WrathOfTheLion

[Karhedron]

The latest sales are down and the share price is tanking. Let's not assume the IP changes are a massive success for GW just yet.

What is your source for that? The latest financial release is that sales are buoyant and in line with expectations.

 

https://investor.games-workshop.com/2021/12/08/trading-update-12/

 

Share prices are down slightly from their high at the start of the year but hardly tanking.

 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Karhedron

[Captain Idaho]

Try a non-GW source ;)

 

Share prices down 20% since September, during this time of year, the busiest time of trading for a retailer. That's so bad it can't be understated.

 

Regardless, that doesn't take away from my point - let's not encourage GW to kill all of their IP in the name of the new and cool thing.

Edited December 9, 2021 by Captain Idaho

[phandaal]

Try a non-GW source

 

Share prices down 20% since September, during this time of year, the busiest time of trading for a retailer. That's so bad it can't be understated.

 

Regardless, that doesn't take away from my point - let's not encourage GW to kill all of their IP in the name of the new and cool thing.

 

With any luck, whichever GW employee was spearheading the AoS-ification of 40k has allowed themselves to understand how valuable the pre-Great Rift IP is.

 

Whatever plan there was to throw all of that out does seem to have stalled anyway.

[Brother Casman]

What does share price have to do with anything?

 

I'm in the camp of "I don't particularly want grav-bikes for Space Marines". Wheels are good enough for me.

[Captain Idaho]

Aesthetically speaking wheels and treads are quite grim too. Possibly even dark. None of that sleek stuff, it's quite a brutish kind of theme.

[Sarvis]

I should mention that when I refer to grav bikes, I absolutely don’t mean jetbikes, like those eldar and custodes have. I imagine them as they are now but with repulsor plates instead of tires, holding them just a bit above the surface.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I’m totally ok with them advancing the storyline.

[phandaal]

I’m totally ok with them advancing the storyline.

 

I could stand to stay in place for a while.

[tychobi]

Primaris should have had grav bikes from go. Then again Primaris follow the creed of greed not the rule of cool so ill just be happy the did not get a bespoke biker boltgun to add to the bloat pile of rules I want to forget. When will we get the Truemarine uprising against the Cawl Heresy?

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I really don't think the existing primaris replusor tech makes sense for a bike or really any small craft. I really think you'd need a lot of weight to make something like that work, I also don't think they'd be very easy to control because your not going to have a lot room for the systems that would move it forward in the back.

 

Granted with how little ground clearance GW gives vehicles that probably isn't a concern. That said we already have bikes I don't see why they'd make Jetbikes when there is alot of low hanging fruit they could pick first (jump pack infantry).

 

 

Try a non-GW source

 

Share prices down 20% since September, during this time of year, the busiest time of trading for a retailer. That's so bad it can't be understated.

 

Regardless, that doesn't take away from my point - let's not encourage GW to kill all of their IP in the name of the new and cool thing.

With any luck, whichever GW employee was spearheading the AoS-ification of 40k has allowed themselves to understand how valuable the pre-Great Rift IP is.

 

Whatever plan there was to throw all of that out does seem to have stalled anyway.

The 40k AoS-ification stuff is a theory driven by the community, you can make an argument that GW doesn't do enough to discourage it but honesty with how relevant they've kept the firstborn stuff they really should get the benefit doubt.

 

I would understand this theory if most new players were starting firstborn armies and ignoring the new stuff but that just doesn't seem to be the case.

 

I’m totally ok with them advancing the storyline.

I expect them too.

 

Primaris should have had grav bikes from go. Then again Primaris follow the creed of greed not the rule of cool so ill just be happy the did not get a bespoke biker boltgun to add to the bloat pile of rules I want to forget. When will we get the Truemarine uprising against the Cawl Heresy?

There probably never will be a Truemarine uprising. With how much the primaris just want to fit in with their chapters it just won't narratively happen. Maybe if they decide to squat old marines they will do it, but I think it's a lot more likely you get upscaled terminators and vets.

Edited December 9, 2021 by Captain Idaho
Removed reference to political incident

[Dracos]

 

I’m totally ok with them advancing the storyline.

 

 

I could stand to stay in place for a while.

We’ve pretty much had 30 years of that, no?

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Fans have wanted the story line advanced for years. There are plenty of older novels to relish for experiencing older grim dark. :D

[phandaal]

 

 

 

With any luck, whichever GW employee was spearheading the AoS-ification of 40k has allowed themselves to understand how valuable the pre-Great Rift IP is.

 

Whatever plan there was to throw all of that out does seem to have stalled anyway.

 

 

The 40k AoS-ification stuff is a theory driven by the community, you can make an argument that GW doesn't do enough to discourage it but honesty with how relevant they've kept the firstborn stuff they really should get the benefit doubt.  

 

I would understand this theory if most new players were starting firstborn armies and ignoring the new stuff but that just doesn't seem to be the case. 

 

 

Yeah, it is a community-driven theory, but it fits my head-canon for GW so I consider it the gospel truth.

 

And it is not entirely conjecture; Games Workshop wound their own timeline back so that 40k is no longer taking place 200+ years after the opening of the Great Rift. We can certainly speculate on the reasoning, but that fact at least cannot be disputed. They planned to have the game make a big time jump and then changed their minds.

 

As for Primaris popularity... people definitely buy a lot of Primaris stuff. I am one of them. Got lots for use on their own and for conversion into scaled up OG Marines. Prefer the Mk X Tacticus armor guys with OG helmets though. That look is just too iconic!

 

As for "moving the setting forward"... why? 40k is a miniatures game set in a specific time period, not a soap opera.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Why does advancing the time line equate to a soap opera? We got a lot of cool things like Primaris Marines and Primarchs… even Custodes.

[phandaal]

Primaris are a range refresh, Custodes could have been introduced as a faction without moving the timeline ahead, and Primarchs should have stayed mythical. Blasting G-Man apart with my plasma guns is neat but it certainly lessens the mythos.

 

If advancing the timeline just meant it was the 42nd millennium now and some new battles were happening, that would probably be fine. That is usually not what people are talking about when they talk about advancing timelines, though. They are talking about big sweeping changes to the lore.

[MegaVolt87]

Grav bikes? Oh you mean the firstborn jetbikes from the HH as a FW unit option with material legacy rule, sure 100% on board with that. For primaris? No way. Make the primaris bikes ones a 6 man unit instead of three. Make an attack trike with heavy bolter/ heavy volkite ball mounts on either side with one dude driving for primaris. 

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

What exactly the bike type is grav propulsion according to the OP. Jetbikes have been mentioned. I doubt geedub will be making anymore firstborn units so it must be a Primaris unit. This is not about the unit number nor armaments going by the OP. Edited December 9, 2021 by Black Blow Fly

[Sarvis]

Grav bikes? Oh you mean the firstborn jetbikes from the HH as a FW unit option with material legacy rule, sure 100% on board with that. For primaris? No way. Make the primaris bikes ones a 6 man unit instead of three. Make an attack trike with heavy bolter/ heavy volkite ball mounts on either side with one dude driving for primaris.

Nah that’s not what I mean. Ideally, I’d literally want the primaris bikes we have now, minus tires, plus grav plates. Same ground clearance as current primaris grav vehicles. No flying stem, just a little… idk, chuck of plastic holding them a couple mm above the base.

 

Also I think it’d fix some suspension of disbelief issues, as the bikes are they currently are, can’t turn their front tires. The rider would only be able to turn by leaning, which I’d imagine isn’t the most ideal way to go about it, especially with the ground clearance on them as is. Throw grav plates on and boom! The plates respond to turning the handlebars, or a button.

Edited December 9, 2021 by Sarvis

[Captain Idaho]

Advancing the storyline is a topic in its own right, but keeping it on track, Grav bikes (Jetbikes or Repulsor) is a fairly easy advancement without actually changing anything as a majof new development. It's just part of the Primaris wave, much like Gladiators are have always been there, or Centurions were added or Hunters and Stalkers (Ok Centurions did have a bit of new fluff but minor).

 

I think fitting new stuff in the fluff isn't the problem really. The background has been released saying Primaris have left Sigmar's Vaults and any Primaris can be subsequently released with a "yeah they've always been there and now we get to use them!" kind of attitude. Works for most armies to be fair.

[BloodyB]

The fitting of repulsor tech into bids seems a bit iffy for me, it must need a lot of power, where will they fit the source in the bikes. I know the engine is as big as it is on the model, and the designer doesn't actually need it to work, but it wouldn't work for me. Having said that, maybe something more like a Deffkopta in size might not be so bad? Being an attack bike analogue rather than a regular bike and mounting whatever plasma-inator Cawl has cobbled together this time?

 

Regarding plot development, I saw somewhere a Raven Guard kill team vs. a Dark Eldar force, in what looked like Aeldari terrain, which got me thinking: how cool would the Imperial discovery of Commorragh be? Some cool time catching up with Vect as once more the Dark City is under attack by the Mon'keigh? I think it would be a good way to bring some more Drukhari miniatures out, as well as a chance to make Reivers actually good. Okay, the last one is a stretch, but they can try!

[WrathOfTheLion]

I think that's where the storm speeder comes in play. I'd be down for them expanding the speeder range like that, it's just a grav bike doesn't do it for me.

[Brother Kraskor]

I'd sooner see more variety in Outriders. Or maybe another, heavier 'cavalry' veteran bike unit with power weapons.

[Dark Shepherd]

I'd sooner see more variety in Outriders. Or maybe another, heavier 'cavalry' veteran bike unit with power weapons.

Have to imagine multipart or different load outs for Outriders, plus more biker characters, is only a matter of time. Just weirdly slow at the moment