So, the new railgun...

[NemesorSobekta]

Ok i guess we've all seen the stats on the new tau railgun that does a minimum of 10W, 3 or which are mortal and ignores armor and IS. (Wow, i guess a matt ward clone   is writing for tau now.)

Anyway, i am looking forward to seeing a batrep where one of these draws the ire of a c'tan shard, especially the void dragon.

Railgun: "I do a minimum of 10 wounds, 3 of which are mortal, i will one shot you!"

C'tan: "I take a maximum of 3 wounds per phase, fishboy."

Railgun:"

[Ahzek451]

At a glance and in practice(in some games), it would seem that a c'tan wound be useful. But under the control of a savvy tau player, it wouldnt be too difficult to throw road blocks and even take one out by turn 3. The relative slow movement of a c'tan could be outmanouvered. A couple turns of good tau shooting, strategic roadblocks, ability to shoot into combat for suits, and good overwatch could ruin a c'tan's day. We have yet to see what other dirty tricks they can pull off. Concerned for strats or rules that allow a fall back and shoot or the like. Especially from a charge.

 

But generally agreed. It would be interesting to watch and play a few games.

 

Now on the other hand, I want to see a c'tan and new Avatar showdown.

Edited January 2, 2022 by Ahzek451

[Lord Raven 19]

I was thinking the same thing. A C'tan flying up the board while lohkust heavies hide behind LOS blocking terrain in Tau T1 and then emerge and pop a hammerhead or two.

[Karhedron]

Quantum Shielding also looks to be one of the defence mechanisms that works against Railguns (at least partially). Always needing a 4+ to Wound means half the Railgun shots will simply bounce off QSed targets.

[Captain Coolpants]

C'tan also only take 3 wounds a phase. So that's another thing.

But... That gun will take out a guaranteed 2 skorpekh destroyers each shot. So hide them lol.

[Brother Kraskor]

C'tan much happier than Mortarion against the railgun that's for sure! 

[Karhedron]

But... That gun will take out a guaranteed 2 skorpekh destroyers each shot. So hide them lol.

Yeah. 3W elite infantry like Skorpekhs, Bladeguard, Terminators, Custodes, Wraithguard etc are going to hate this.

[Stupidity]

Huh ya, seems like I'm gonna need a replacement for my wraiths if I fight Tau. Not that I ever have Lol. 

 

What are Tau's accuracy bonuses like? Can they easily hit -1 to hit units like Tomb Blades with that gun?

[NemesorSobekta]

Um isn't the railgun a single shot weapon so if fjred at I fqntey it kills one model period? U. Less paying for a strat? 

[Captain Coolpants]

No, it also causes 3 mortal wounds. Unlike normal wounds, Mortal wounds spill over.

 

So one skorpekh would take minimum 7 regular wounds to the face, then the additional 3 mortal wounds would spill over and kill another.

 

And you know people will have more than 1 of these bad boys in their lists.

 

The gun is nuts, its one shotting almost all walkers like dreadnoughts, ignored invulnerable saves, ignores cover saves because -6AP.

 

With our deathrays were as cool lol

Edited January 6, 2022 by Captain Coolpants

[Get Thokt]

A lot of these super heavy weapons make the SK's menhirs look like trash. The new Wraithknight leaks have the Wraithcannon at Heavy D3 S16 AP-4, 6+D3 damage with 3 Mortal Wounds on wound roll of 6

[Atrus]

Chuck Ctan into outflanking reserves for added cheek. Cut that travel distance down.

Nephrek translocation crypt stratagem to deep strike choice units against it could be good. Keeping lokhust heavy destroyers in deep strike can potentially make the position of the rail gun irrelevant.

[Karhedron]

The other option is to go silver tide. That railgun will be wasted on Warriors unless the Tau players burns CPs for the Submunitions stratagem (which is capped at 8 MWs).

 

Horde units, C'tan and units with Quantum shielding have a bit less to worry about from Railguns than other stuff. Not perfect but at least there are work-arounds if Railguns start proliferating.

 

I am starting to think that Scarab Swarms might be the answer. Chuck a biggish unit forward to try and tag it in melee and simply gum it up. You should be able to reach it T2.

[Ahzek451]

All this talk of the railgun and we have yet to see what sneaky stuff genestealer cult and the eldar. Wraithknight further adding salt to the wound for monoliths.   

[Ahzek451]

Alright, seeing that new stormsurge gun, really starting to feel like the doomsday cannon is a wet noodle now.   

[Captain Coolpants]

Not really a "doomsday" gun is it Edited January 13, 2022 by Captain Coolpants

[Miek]

I saw a leak on Reddit that the doomsday cannon was going to be renamed to: Tuesday leafblower.

 

Made me chuckle :)

[Ahzek451]

I saw a leak on Reddit that the doomsday cannon was going to be renamed to: Tuesday leafblower.

 

Made me chuckle

Stealing this 

[Marshal Mittens]

So the new rail gun is very strong, but like, who uses vehicles anymore? Every faction has very strong AT these days. With few exceptions vehicles are super overpriced and die too easily.

[Malakithe]

GW needs to focus on Necrons in its next balance dataslate. They are so far behind. Looking at all these new leaks and books then looking at Necrons stuff its almost like they are a full edition behind the curve. 

[Lord_Ikka]

GW needs to focus on Necrons in its next balance dataslate. They are so far behind. Looking at all these new leaks and books then looking at Necrons stuff its almost like they are a full edition behind the curve. 

Unless the next balance dataslate contains changes to weapons profiles (getting rid of Necron swingy d6 and d3 damages), we won't have a good time. Points adjustments are fine, but one of the big issues with Necrons right now is the variable damage that Necrons do, rather than the steady damage other factions do.

[Karhedron]

GW needs to focus on Necrons in its next balance dataslate. They are so far behind. Looking at all these new leaks and books then looking at Necrons stuff its almost like they are a full edition behind the curve.

I have to agree. A friend and I met up for a 3000 point game over Christmas so that we could get our big toys that we don't get to field very often. I ran Blood Angels with flyers, a DC Dread and other rarely seen units. My opponent had a C'tan shard, Monolith and Doomscythe on top of a regular Necron list. Neither of us were playing top tier lists but I was embarrassed at how utterly the BAs curb-stomped the Necrons, even with a non-optimised list.

[Malakithe]

 

GW needs to focus on Necrons in its next balance dataslate. They are so far behind. Looking at all these new leaks and books then looking at Necrons stuff its almost like they are a full edition behind the curve.

I have to agree. A friend and I met up for a 3000 point game over Christmas so that we could get our big toys that we don't get to field very often. I ran Blood Angels with flyers, a DC Dread and other rarely seen units. My opponent had a C'tan shard, Monolith and Doomscythe on top of a regular Necron list. Neither of us were playing top tier lists but I was embarrassed at how utterly the BAs curb-stomped the Necrons, even with a non-optimised list.

 

At a minimum their points are just too high on everything and all the vehicles except tomb blades are just trash

[Get Thokt]

Also the new Secondary and Primary missions from the new CA22 hurts Necrons even more so than current. No Prisoners hurts Silver Tide (Warriors and MSU), decreased Primary VP from holding objectives hurts our obsec game, and new rules to Retrieve Data means more expensive units to complete the actions (no more Cryptothralls)