Khornestar Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [105 PL, 2,000pts, 10CP] ++ + Configuration + Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost Legion: Word Bearers + Stratagems + Gifts of Chaos (1 Relic) [-1CP] + No Force Org Slot + Dark Disciples [1 PL, 10pts]: Mark of Slaanesh . 2x Dark Disciple: 2x Close combat weapon + HQ + Daemon Prince with Wings [10 PL, 195pts]: Delightful Agonies, Hellforged sword, The Malefic Tome, Warptime, Wings . Slaanesh Dark Apostle [4 PL, 80pts, -1CP]: 1. The Voice of Lorgar, Apostle of the Dark Council, Baleful Icon, Benediction of Darkness, Blissful Devotion, Mark of Slaanesh, Warlord, Warpsight Plea Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [6 PL, 105pts]: Combi-bolter, Force sword, Mark of Slaanesh, Prescience, Warptime + Troops + Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: Mark of Slaanesh . 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun: 9x Autogun . Cultist Champion: Autogun Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: Mark of Slaanesh . 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun: 9x Autogun . Cultist Champion: Autogun Chaos Cultists [3 PL, 50pts]: Mark of Slaanesh . 9x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun: 9x Autogun . Cultist Champion: Autogun + Elites + Chosen [6 PL, 95pts]: Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh . Chosen Champion: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter . Chosen w/ combi or special weapon: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter . Chosen w/ combi or special weapon: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter . Chosen w/ combi or special weapon: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter . Chosen w/ combi or special weapon: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter Chosen [6 PL, 95pts]: Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh . Chosen Champion: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter . Chosen w/ combi or special weapon: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter . Chosen w/ combi or special weapon: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter . Chosen w/ combi or special weapon: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter . Chosen w/ combi or special weapon: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter Chosen [6 PL, 95pts]: Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh . Chosen Champion: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter . Chosen w/ combi or special weapon: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter . Chosen w/ combi or special weapon: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter . Chosen w/ combi or special weapon: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter . Chosen w/ combi or special weapon: Astartes chainsword, Combi-bolter Terminators [8 PL, 175pts]: Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw . Terminator Champion: Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw Terminators [8 PL, 175pts]: Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw . Terminator: Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw . Terminator Champion: Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw + Fast Attack + Blood Slaughterer [7 PL, 140pts]: Impaler harpoon Blood Slaughterer [7 PL, 140pts]: Impaler harpoon Raptors [9 PL, 160pts]: Icon of Excess, Mark of Slaanesh . 9x Raptor: 9x Astartes chainsword, 9x Bolt pistol, 9x Frag & Krak grenades . Raptor Champion: Astartes chainsword, Bolt pistol + Heavy Support + Havocs [7 PL, 165pts]: Mark of Slaanesh . Aspiring Champion: Astartes chainsword, Boltgun . 4x Havoc w/ reaper chaincannon: 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Reaper chaincannon Maulerfiend [7 PL, 140pts]: Lasher tendrils, Mark of Slaanesh + Dedicated Transport + Chaos Rhino [4 PL, 80pts]: Mark of Slaanesh ++ Total: [105 PL, 10CP, 2,000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) techsoldaten 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373028-2k-word-bearers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Interesting list - can't really speak to its effectiveness as I've never played with many of the units you are using. That said, it seems kind of peculiar fluff wise for a Word Bearers army to have all of its units sworn to slaanesh - is this just so you can use cacophonies on any unit? You might want to diversify your marks so - in particular, I don't know what benefit the mark of slaanesh brings to your Maulerfiend, given that it doesn't have a shooting weapon for cacophonies. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373028-2k-word-bearers/#findComment-5788785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techsoldaten Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 This is a very not bad list. If the 9th edition Codex rumors are true, it would become a monster list. 2W for all Marines, 3W for Chosen, doctrines giving you exploding 6s like Loyalists, Raptors with +2 A, and a lot more. I would set aside some points for standards. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373028-2k-word-bearers/#findComment-5788786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) Interesting list - can't really speak to its effectiveness as I've never played with many of the units you are using. That said, it seems kind of peculiar fluff wise for a Word Bearers army to have all of its units sworn to slaanesh - is this just so you can use cacophonies on any unit? You might want to diversify your marks so - in particular, I don't know what benefit the mark of slaanesh brings to your Maulerfiend, given that it doesn't have a shooting weapon for cacophonies. The list was effective enough, I guess. The reasons they’re Slaanesh-marked are so the shooty units can double-shoot with endless cacophony, any unit can be a target of delightful agonies from the daemon prince, and every unit can have death to the false emperor on a 5+ instead of a 6+ with the icon of excess. The other marks would have had no particular point or synergy, unless the HQs were also changed, which is an option but I thought Slaanesh was the best mark for the above reasons. Somehow deleted the response to techsoldaten. I was thinking all game long how much better the army would be with an extra wound. Not a new observation but it’s always quite clear to me. I imagine I’d have to cut a unit to account for points increases but no biggie there. Edited January 25, 2022 by Khornestar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373028-2k-word-bearers/#findComment-5788821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 That makes sense - just seemed a bit weird to go all slaanesh for a Word Bearers force is all, but there this is your army list and it doesn't need to comply to whatever holdups I have in my own head. :) And I agree that slaanesh is the best mark in the current codex. I take it you have gone Word Bearers for the 3rd power on your Apostle? I'm not really familiar with their stratagems and relics. One thing I don't know if you are aware of but in the last eratta the profile of plasma weapons have changed - they now only overheat on a natural roll of 1. That means, unfortunately, that the +1 to hit from your sorcerer and apostle will no longer prevent overheats. As such, it might make more sense to have a lord with its reroll 1s to hit instead of one of your +1 to hit choices to go with the termies and help prevent overheats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373028-2k-word-bearers/#findComment-5789368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) That makes sense - just seemed a bit weird to go all slaanesh for a Word Bearers force is all, but there this is your army list and it doesn't need to comply to whatever holdups I have in my own head. And I agree that slaanesh is the best mark in the current codex. I take it you have gone Word Bearers for the 3rd power on your Apostle? I'm not really familiar with their stratagems and relics. One thing I don't know if you are aware of but in the last eratta the profile of plasma weapons have changed - they now only overheat on a natural roll of 1. That means, unfortunately, that the +1 to hit from your sorcerer and apostle will no longer prevent overheats. As such, it might make more sense to have a lord with its reroll 1s to hit instead of one of your +1 to hit choices to go with the termies and help prevent overheats. I guess there's always a line for everyone but I feel pretty free to dabble in everything, in terms of what's in an army. Word Bearers have no limitations in how to build their lists (unlike, say, World Eaters) so I see no reason to limit myself. As far as I see it, they're still a "functional" legion with all the additional heresy they've played with for 10,000 years. Surely a force so vast could be represented in an infinite number of ways, even if it isn't the stereotype of the army. I enjoy the fluff but also having as dangerous an army as possible without delving into the OP/broken which ruins it all. It's all really an abstraction, so who's to say Slaanesh isn't giving the army a little extra oomph because the Dark Apostle forced a bunch of cultists into a weird hedonism ritual which ended in a mass sacrifice? And the next time maybe the army will be appealing to Tzeentch to divine a path to some chosen relic, or Nurgle to fill the atmosphere of a planet with plague gas and turn their population to zombies, or the bloodfather Khorne to witness the defeat of enemy champions in his name. Word Bearers are the only ones to have the upgraded Dark Apostle, but they're WB because they're WB. All the non-Khornate CSM stuff I own feeds into that army, which is frankly an absurd number of minis. Just a sweet bonus that this time around there are good rules for WB in the form of strats and warlord traits, despite the stinky legion rules. For example, you roll for a psychic power and if you fail, you can spend the CP to auto-pass it, it can't be denied, but it inflicts a mortal wound on the psyker as a cost. Another strat allows you to roll a save and then spend the CP to count the save as a 6. Once per character per game, but awesome. And then some stuff to buff daemon units. I did indeed forget about how gets hot was changed, but luckily they had a daemon prince deep strike with them for their overcharged shooting, so I didn't unintentionally cheat . Edited January 27, 2022 by Khornestar Dr_Ruminahui 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373028-2k-word-bearers/#findComment-5789402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) That makes sense - just like my chaos lists are always Emperor's Children, not because I think that's the best legion but because that's how I have them painted. Have you posted photos of them? If not, you should do so in the WB forum. Another rules (non) interaction is that the demon prince is the only CSM HQ with FLY that can't deepstrike - so you actually didn't escape breaking the rules that game. :) So, if you want to drop the termies onto the board, to benefit from a reroll aura you either need to do so next to where you already moved your demon prince, or to get a lord in terminator armour or a jump pack (perhaps as a swap for your sorcerer in termie armour). Edited January 27, 2022 by Dr_Ruminahui Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373028-2k-word-bearers/#findComment-5789816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 28, 2022 Author Share Posted January 28, 2022 Haha that would figure, that they can't deep strike! Oh well. :D I have a lot of painting to do. I have things assembled/primed but painting is always what I put off in one way or another. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373028-2k-word-bearers/#findComment-5789902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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