Free Datasheets for New Gravis Captain and Ancient

[Angelus Nex]

Does master-crafting the fist make it looser the extra attack? As it is not replacing his wargear, but imoroving the one it has? :-D Edited January 28, 2022 by Angelus Nex

[Karhedron]

Does master-crafting the fist make it looser the extra attack? As it is not replacing his wargear, but imoroving the one it has? :-D

The wording for Master Crafted says that the weapon is now considered a Chapter Relic so the wording on the slate would prevent you getting bonus attack(s).

[ChargingSoll]

 

Does master-crafting the fist make it looser the extra attack? As it is not replacing his wargear, but imoroving the one it has? :-D

The wording for Master Crafted says that the weapon is now considered a Chapter Relic so the wording on the slate would prevent you getting bonus attack(s).

Making the Gauntlet master crafted still gets you all the bonus attacks, including the extra normal power fist one.

[Dracos]

Wait … what … is that at errata I hear coming?

[Karhedron]

 

 

Does master-crafting the fist make it looser the extra attack? As it is not replacing his wargear, but imoroving the one it has? :-D

The wording for Master Crafted says that the weapon is now considered a Chapter Relic so the wording on the slate would prevent you getting bonus attack(s).

Making the Gauntlet master crafted still gets you all the bonus attacks, including the extra normal power fist one.

Ooooo. RAW I think you might be right.

[quasistellar]

As awesome as this model and free rules are, I see yet another missed opportunity to include a power axe, again preventing me from having a primaris character with the Axe of Medusa :( Edited January 29, 2022 by quasistellar

[CCE1981]

I am on the fence on taking the Special Issue Wargear “Master-Crafted Weapon” and Space Wolves “Frost Weapon” on the Power sword disqualifies the use of the stances.

 

Both Master-Crafted Weapon and Frost Weapon state “That Weapon is considered to be a Chapter Relic.” These UPGRADE that weapon to be Chapter Relic. They do not REPLACE that weapon with a Chapter Relic. Note I used the term upgrade which is not used and the subject of the debate.

 

Gravis Fighting Styles state “This ability cannot be used with a Relic the REPLACES any of these weapons.” Emphasis mine.

 

Since Master-Crafted/Frost Weapon does not say to replace the chosen weapon with +1 damage it could be argued that you can still use Gravis Fighting Styles with either of these upgrades.

 

My argument is that RELIC doesn’t matter it has to be a “RELIC that replaces” and Master-Crafted/Frost Weapon DO NOT replace, but Upgrade.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

So does this datasheet replace the one in Codex Space Marines, or is it extra? is the Master crafted Power sword on the other sheet because as it's master crafted you don't get the fighting style or did they just forget it was master crafted?

 

I'll take 5 attacks at damage 2 over 7 attacks at damage 1 on the Powersword profile by choice.

until you’re in combat with something that has a -1d ability

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I am on the fence on taking the Special Issue Wargear “Master-Crafted Weapon” and Space Wolves “Frost Weapon” on the Power sword disqualifies the use of the stances.

 

Both Master-Crafted Weapon and Frost Weapon state “That Weapon is considered to be a Chapter Relic.” These UPGRADE that weapon to be Chapter Relic. They do not REPLACE that weapon with a Chapter Relic. Note I used the term upgrade which is not used and the subject of the debate.

 

Gravis Fighting Styles state “This ability cannot be used with a Relic the REPLACES any of these weapons.” Emphasis mine.

 

Since Master-Crafted/Frost Weapon does not say to replace the chosen weapon with +1 damage it could be argued that you can still use Gravis Fighting Styles with either of these upgrades.

 

My argument is that RELIC doesn’t matter it has to be a “RELIC that replaces” and Master-Crafted/Frost Weapon DO NOT replace, but Upgrade.

I like that interpretation

Allows me to MC the CS on gravis captain and still give my SP ToT.

While being 100% reasonable and RaW

Edited January 29, 2022 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Dark Shepherd]

FAQ inbound

[chapter master 454]

Sharp money on the rules team just forgot about the Master-Craft option from the supplements, who can blame them? Just need to errata it to say "these stances do not work with chapter relics. We'll have no horse play with the chapters fine silver!"

 

Also, remember master-crafting only affects ONE profile on the bolt-storm gauntlet as they are considered different weapons, you can't MC the fist and bolter part despite them modelled on as one, they are in fact separate weapons.

 

Further note: Seems like he is SUPER easy to magnetise the options for with all being elbow joints which is super sweet imo so you don't even need to commit to one option which is nice.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Just to clarify the up to 3 additional attacks is in reference to the 2 bonus attacks plus the CS’s built in extra attack correct?

[ChargingSoll]

Sharp money on the rules team just forgot about the Master-Craft option from the supplements, who can blame them? Just need to errata it to say "these stances do not work with chapter relics. We'll have no horse play with the chapters fine silver!"

 

Also, remember master-crafting only affects ONE profile on the bolt-storm gauntlet as they are considered different weapons, you can't MC the fist and bolter part despite them modelled on as one, they are in fact separate weapons.

 

Further note: Seems like he is SUPER easy to magnetise the options for with all being elbow joints which is super sweet imo so you don't even need to commit to one option which is nice.

Not to argue the point of master crafted on the duel profiles for the boltstorm Gauntlet but the option for mc is to select the weapon the model is equipped with. The default loadout being the Boltstorm Gaunlet and a chainsword.

 

But I understand how this could be read differently then how I have read it and how clunky this upgrade is for other weapons with multi profiles like a plasma gun or a combi weapon (especially a combi plasma) and how this sort of skips the gravis fighting style rules by not touching its specific weapons options.

[TheNewman]

Hopefully they'll have all this sorted out by the time Codex 9.2 drops.