Ravenwing command structure question

[Vulshra]

What rank is the second person on the talons master? The talon master himself is obviously a lieutenant, but what about the weapons officer? Is this a black knight keeping an eye on the lieutenant? A bodyguard or other lesser command squad variant? A member of the ravenwing seconded from another squad temporarily?

[Harleqvin]

I actually don't recall if this is mentioned anywhere. I would imagine it would have to be a black knight trusted by the Talonmaster. As the same aspect would apply to Sammael on Sableclaw, too (still there in the lore, just not for the game... Which is annoying as it's something that should have been put into the Legends PDFs. Which that's a whole other subject dealing with many of the Legends PDFs need updating/fixing...)

[Vulshra]

It's not mentioned anywhere I can find. I agree with it being a black knight on samael, but I'm not sure on the lieutenant because black knights outrank talon masters in the inner circle

[Helias_Tancred]

It's not mentioned anywhere I can find. I agree with it being a black knight on samael, but I'm not sure on the lieutenant because black knights outrank talon masters in the inner circle

 

That guy ^ .... I'd assume it's an experienced sergeant. 

[Harleqvin]

Talonmasters being lesser than Black Knights is false. They are stated as being elevated from the Black Knights. The lieutenants are supposed to be like the 2nd in command of a company after the Company Master.

[JeffJedi]

When the sprue was released I though a techmarine due to the head on sprue but they didn't build it that way.

[Chaplain Lucifer]

Logic would dictate is someone skilled and privy to the (almost) same secrets as the Talonmaster himself.

I would dare to say it should be someone also high in the ranks and maybe even a sucessor to the Talonmaster.

[ValourousHeart]

Likely it is the same guy that used to ride shotgun with Sammie before he misplaced his keys to Sableclaw.

Edited February 15, 2022 by ValourousHeart

[JeffJedi]

Since companies have two Lieutenants, it could be the other Lieutenant.

[Vulshra]

Since companies have two Lieutenants, it could be the other Lieutenant.

Can't be because the Ravenwing can deploy two talon master speeders

[moi_a_mania]

He's got to be at least a Black Knight or possibly a Huntmaster. 

[Harleqvin]

 

Since companies have two Lieutenants, it could be the other Lieutenant.

Can't be because the Ravenwing can deploy two talon master speeders

 

Exactly. The marine driving the speeder is "The Talonmaster" which is the lieutenant of the Ravenwing (like how when we could have Sammael on Sableclaw he was the driver, the sword wielder.)

The gunner would have to be a black knight (one that the Talonmaster, or Sammael, trusts/elevated to be running with Ravenwing Lieutenant.)

[Chaplain Lucifer]

Funny how I see the gunner being at a higher rank than the driver which isn't exactly true.

[Vulshra]

I was assuming it was the driver because they have the sword, which is in Marines generally and dark Angels in particular a symbol of command, but it is true it's never stated explicitly which is the talon master. Perhaps it's a secret known only to the two and the master themselves, or perhaps they operate as a joint liutenant?

[Harleqvin]

The driver is the Lieutenant, the gunner isn't. The gunner would have to be a blacknight.

For the model aspect it's the guy with the sword, as that is who Sammy would have been for the Sableclaw model.

The idea they brought back with the Lieutenants for 40k is that there is 2 of them under each Captain (DA Master.) The RAvenwing Lieutenenats are generally brought up from the ranks of the Black Knights (I'm guessing they have this in there as it's possible a basic Ravenwing might have done something incredible to catch the Grandmaster's eye, and that Black Knights are generally pulled in from basic Ravenwing.) The gunner couldn't be anything less than a black knight due to what the gunner would have to see because of running around with the Lieutenant. Same for Sammy on Sableclaw (that is more just for lore now as they removed that datasheet, and haven't even yet put it into Legends, but we're getting new datasheet for a new model "Primaris Company Champion"... I'm not gonna go further into that. That whole thing and Legends is a tangent needing it's own thread.)

Now I would likely think it'd make sense that the gunner would generally be a next in line to become the Lieutenant if the Lieutenant dies and the gunner doesn't.