LVO Space Marine results

[WrathOfTheLion]

Absolutely, and I did not want to insinuate that you wanted the second SM codex, but we can't ignore that it's been desired for by others at this point. That's mainly what I wanted to address, but maybe I wasn't as clear on that as I should have been.

 

I would figure there's new supplements at some point, but I think even GW isn't crazy enough to put those before the CSM codex. GW may or may not do a second SM codex, only time will tell, but I just find that lamenting on edition creep outclassing a 9E book naturally falls on deaf ears whilst both Eldar and CSM have no 9E codex.

 

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Back on track, the move for the Gravis captain goes against some recent design decisions, where GW has been making those powers strategems vs unit or weapon abilities. Hopefully that doesn't become a precedent that one faction gains those back, although I've not liked that move fairly uniformly.

Edited February 9, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion

[Charlo]

I've always found it ironic that so many people are attracted to tournament competitive gameplay in a tabletop system that is so poorly designed and maintained for competitive gameplay.

 

Calling it poorly designed and maintained isn't exactly fair. A hell of a lot of effort goes into the production of rules, which has especially been difficult over the past two years because of, well, *gestures at everything*

 

Ultimately, the competitive side of 40k being catered for in the codexes is still in it's infancy, comparatively at least. 8th was a total reset so now 9th is the tune up and real foray into making a competitive an balanced game.

 

The balance dataslate, CA and seasons are all part of this new approach. There are some outliers, but due to print deadlines being what they are, reacting outside of the balance dataslate is tough - not to mention anything significant outside of a new codex is sure to be met with flack (though what isn't!)

 

Ultimately, rules releases are tied to miniatures releases for the most part - you can't just release everything at once*. Not to mention there is a cap on man power to produce, test and implement those rules too.

 

Because of this, the game will fluctuate in it's meta and that's by design - it keeps things healthy in the competitive scene and to GWs merit, they've been swift in nipping anything truly abhorrent in the bud.

 

To actually address your point of irony though, yep! It is ironic, but the alternative is to not enjoy and engage with the hobby with likeminded people in a competitive setting - much worse!

 

*8th ed index books are an obvious aside here, but they were just unit entries and one faction rule each, nowhere near the depth and flavour available in current books.

[9x19 Parabellum]

I mean it's not an either/or thing, guys.

 

It's acceptable for people to want their own favorite codex to be fixed AND ALSO want Chaos Space Marines to be fixed.  I mean I'm in no way a CSM player and even I am like "really? 1 wound still? really?"

[Orange Knight]

I never understood the attitude that one isn't allowed to complain about a codex, or wish that it would be updated, just because a different codex is also in need of an update.

 

40k is a personal investment, it's not a socialist collective. It's perfectly acceptable to openly desire an update for your chosen faction, and as a paying customer you are fully entitled to be dissatisfied.

 

It's not a zero sum game. An update to Loyalist Astartes isn't going to prevent the Chaos Astartes from getting updated, and visa versa.

[phandaal]

I never understood the attitude that one isn't allowed to complain about a codex, or wish that it would be updated, just because a different codex is also in need of an update.

 

40k is a personal investment, it's not a socialist collective. It's perfectly acceptable to openly desire an update for your chosen faction, and as a paying customer you are fully entitled to be dissatisfied.

 

It's not a zero sum game. An update to Loyalist Astartes isn't going to prevent the Chaos Astartes from getting updated, and visa versa.

 

Hell, we even have people here who get worked up if someone says they would like to see something for Blood Angels or Dark Angels without mentioning Raven Guard, Salamanders, etc. People are weird sometimes.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I never understood the attitude that one isn't allowed to complain about a codex, or wish that it would be updated, just because a different codex is also in need of an update.

 

40k is a personal investment, it's not a socialist collective. It's perfectly acceptable to openly desire an update for your chosen faction, and as a paying customer you are fully entitled to be dissatisfied.

 

It's not a zero sum game. An update to Loyalist Astartes isn't going to prevent the Chaos Astartes from getting updated, and visa versa.

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For me it’s even more annoying when they start ranting about how good Space Marines have it… I dub them "Karines". :facepalm:

[Karhedron]

The other thing to remember is that catering to the competitive tournament benefits everyone. Improving the balance of the game means that everyone from tournament to narrative players get the benefit.

 

We will never be in a situation where any 2000 point army will have equal odds against any other 2000 point army but at least if you work towards it you will encourage a better environment for everyone.

[phandaal]

 

I never understood the attitude that one isn't allowed to complain about a codex, or wish that it would be updated, just because a different codex is also in need of an update.

 

40k is a personal investment, it's not a socialist collective. It's perfectly acceptable to openly desire an update for your chosen faction, and as a paying customer you are fully entitled to be dissatisfied.

 

It's not a zero sum game. An update to Loyalist Astartes isn't going to prevent the Chaos Astartes from getting updated, and visa versa.

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For me it’s even more annoying when they start ranting about how good Space Marines have it… I dub them "Karines".

 

 

People like to hate on whatever is popular. I certainly am not going to stop enjoying my super soldiers just because a lot of other people do too.

[Schlitzaf]

 

Chaos will always be always be singing the blues that’s for sure.

You do have to agree the Word Bearers have been done extremely dirty for the last several years. That legion trait is a joke. Also, their schtick is daemon summoning, which, lol.

Ehh I kinda don’t. They like most garbage trair armies have fantastic relics, warlord trairs and strategems.