Is there are new codex astartes on its way?

[Commander Nicky]

Hello fellows

 

I have notes that there is a new primaris gravis captain and primaris standard bearer available to buy. A week or so ago I became aware that there is a new primaris company champion awailable as year’s exclusive event miniature.,, I know it is a long shot, but is there a new codex astartes being prepared or am I just wishing for one?

 

Let me know what you think.

 

 

[m_r_parker]

As far as I am aware, no.

[BluejayJunior]

They said in the article that the Primaris Champion will be getting a Legends datasheet, so not something that would be in a codex anyway. At least for the time being. 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Specifically due to the models you mentioned? No. GW has been happy to let new units' datasheets reside in a supplemental campaign book (like Psychic Awakening last edition) without releasing a new codex for that faction. That's the situation for the updated Gravis Captain and Ancient models.

 

Meanwhile, they're just putting the Champion's datasheet out as a "Legends" type and wouldn't be bothered to update the codex just to include a model that's only available as a limited-edition event exclusive.

 

BUT in spite of those uncomfortable facts, there almost certainly IS a new codex headed our way this year. In addition to the so-far accurate rumors and so-far accurate leakers who have promised such, there's also the fact that the new "stances" for the Gravis Captain and Champion scream that an updated combat system similar to what other factions have already gotten will be foisted/gifted upon the Astartes THIS edition. But this codex and new rules will be accompanied by (and therefore include datasheets for) brand-new units like the rumored "Brutalis" Dreadnought and Rocket-packing Fire Support squad, along with reprinting the updated Captain/Ancient datasheets from Vigilus Alone and likely also launch alongside a proper general-release Primaris Champion (and possibly, just like the Ancient, said Champion will actually have wargear options, like being able to use a Combat Shield in exchange for a tradeoff in his martial effectiveness or just a points cost offset).

 

Worth remembering that the Ultrasmurfs are GW's golden boys and so far, they haven't gotten Crusade-specific rules other than the basic stuff in the 9th-Ed Codex Space Marines. No way GW leaves them out of the Crusade game for the duration of the edition they're trying to encourage people to adopt Crusade in.

 

So yeah, VERY high likelihood that long about July-October, we see a 9.2 Codex as well as 9th-Ed supplements for all of the codex-compliant chapters. AND more actual new units and models at the same time.

[WrathOfTheLion]

GW is going to wait until the current factions get their codex first, so even if they do plan on it, it's still probably half a year or more out. They're not going to announce a second Space Marine codex before CSM get their two wounds.

 

There's a few things here, one is that the Chaos Space Marine release will probably take us into May or June, as it may not even be the Codex after Tyranids.

 

AoS has not had any 'big' faction releases this year, so I would expect something of the sort to take a month slot in there as well.

 

And if 30k is getting a release, which seems likely, I'd expect the summer slot to be taken up by the launch of that (like Indomitus and Dominion). GW will probably offset any Space Marine releases for 40k a bit after that, pad a further AoS release or something between, as they want you to buy both.

Edited February 22, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

It is pure speculation at this time. That said it would be very nice.

[Marshal Reinhard]

I'm happy to be without a second one, but the ugly prescedent of having us buy 2 per edition has been set.

[WrathOfTheLion]

I'm happy to be without a second one, but the ugly prescedent of having us buy 2 per edition has been set.

I'm not a fan at all of that precedent. The current one isn't really invalid. We might not like some of the rules, but really only those two character sheets are 'invalidated' now, not really equivalent to the 8E book where huge swaths became invalid (like with the Gravis wound bump, intercessor loadout changes, etc.).

 

What I would like to see them do is have the updated datasheets in a campaign book, and then an optional new Codex, kind of like what they did for Lumineth in Age of Sigmar. You could either use the original Lumineth Battletome + Teclis campaign book, or the updated Battletome.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

They have already set a precedent so we shall see what we see.

[TheNewman]

Put it this way; I'd be fine with keeping Codex 9.1 as long as all of the v8.1 Suppliments get updated. There are a lot of Relics and Strats that don't make sense due to things Codex 9.1, or due to things in 9th in general.

 

Not that I'd say no to a stronger Codex, but then again I dislike the power creep in general.

[Guest Triszin]

Rumblings suggest maybe

[Orange Knight]

Word on the street is that a new codex is due in the Summer, and will launch slongside updated supplements for the original codex chapters.

[Vanger]

There are rumours of a SM 9.5 codex sloted for somewhere in summer... of course only Emperor knows how feasible this is, seeing how Covid and Brexit effed up GWs release schedule. (They are ~4 months behind) pretty good.

IIRC Valrak posted a video with rumours and his sources told, that there will be a new "Ironclad" type redemptor, some missile launcher armed primaris unit and something else, I don't remember. Also since the Space Marine 2 announcement trailer, people predict that we will get jump pack primaris unit, which again would coincide with a summer release? 


Now if we think about it, the current codex lifecycle IS coming to an end this year. Nids are confirmed to be next, that's the last xenos book updated. That leaves Chaos (CSM, Daemons and Knights), which is rumoured for April/May. Once that is done, the only remaining armies in need of an update are loyalist Knights and Astra Militarum. Later is rumoured to receive a range refresh. Also I don't think that GW will break the tradition to release another SM book at the end. Frankly we could use a good look at our units and rules. And codex comliant supplements really NEED an update.

Now, it's March, Eldar are just out. Nids are next in a few weeks. Going by the 2 books/month schedule, Daemons and CSM would be in April, Knights of every flavour in May, then In June multiple waves of Astra Militarum... This could be further delayed, or they could suprise us with a new faction (squats?) out of the blue. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

God I really hope we don’t get another codex already.

[Orange Knight]

God I really hope we don’t get another codex already.

Considering the Astartes codex is arguably bottom tier, why wouldn't you want an update?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

God I really hope we don’t get another codex already.

Considering the Astartes codex is arguably bottom tier, why wouldn't you want an update?

because it’s just another money grab from GW, and very arguably bottom tier considering many marine armies are sitting at a 40+% win rate in tournaments.

Tournament players are a minority of players, and marines are the most common faction played, so casual players will have a pretty good chance in most of the games they get.

 

Rulebook $70

Codex $55

Supplement $33

That’s $158 on rule books for a single edition. Why would I want to spend another $55 for another codex this edition?

[Dracos]

By any measure more than half the Space Marine Chapters are performing poorly. Even the ones that are mid-tier are hovering at the bottom half of that tier.

 

Top 33%

- Black Templar

- Iron Hands

 

Mid 33%

- Dark Angels

- Salamanders

- Space Wolves

 

Bottom 33%

- Imperial Fist

- Blood Angels

- Deathwatch

- Ultramarines

- White Scars

- Raven Guard

 

GW making a money grab? Uhm yeah that’s what a business does. If you are a casual player then roll on with the first Codex. It would be appreciated if one would not stomp on the enthusiasm of others eager to refresh the Faction that pays for the GW to be able to also afford to refresh less profitable Factions.

[MegaVolt87]

GW can win major community brownie points by updating the SM dex to an updated one for free via warhammer + if its been redeemed there already. Even if the revised SM dex had a shelf life of one year in 9th vs the 6 months of 8th, its not worth buying the revised dex when its going to be a launch codex in 10th ed. 

[tychobi]

Balance does not seem to be a motivating factor for GW to update a codex. Case and point they now make regular "balance updates". That aside the space marines are a bloated mess that could really use an edit pass cutting for redundancy.

[SkimaskMohawk]

Pretty sure since tau dropped, only 5 factions have broken an average 50% winrate in tournament; tau, custodes, nids, dark eldar and gsc.

 

Most of the game is performing poorly. So getting stronger is in the cards for everyone out there, and not anything marines can lay claim on unfortunately.

 

And in terms of cash grabs, marines basically got a new codex every 2 years since 6th edition for a variety of reasons. But the 8.5 book broke that and a year feels super short for an increasingly expensive buy; the 9th replacement is honestly on-schedule, but covid makes it feel like that same year period. And the prices going up again.

[phandaal]

Balance does not seem to be a motivating factor for GW to update a codex. Case and point they now make regular "balance updates". That aside the space marines are a bloated mess that could really use an edit pass cutting for redundancy.

They could probably get some extra sales out of the update at least. We Space Marine players are milk cows.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

By any measure more than half the Space Marine Chapters are performing poorly. Even the ones that are mid-tier are hovering at the bottom half of that tier.

 

Top 33%

- Black Templar

- Iron Hands

 

Mid 33%

- Dark Angels

- Salamanders

- Space Wolves

 

Bottom 33%

- Imperial Fist

- Blood Angels

- Deathwatch

- Ultramarines

- White Scars

- Raven Guard

 

GW making a money grab? Uhm yeah that’s what a business does. If you are a casual player then roll on with the first Codex. It would be appreciated if one would not stomp on the enthusiasm of others eager to refresh the Faction that pays for the GW to be able to also afford to refresh less profitable Factions.

:cussty businesses do money grabs.

Good businesses do not.

A year or less after the new dex drops 10th will likely be announced, and then we’ll just have to buy yet another codex.

There’s literally o reason for marines to get 2 codexes per edition, other than to milk people for money.

 

Why should marines get a second codex when you know necrons and other underpowered early codexes won’t get an update?

[Dracos]

Because the profit margins on Necrons and other Codeci are so small that if you don’t keep Space Marine players happy there won’t be a Warhammer 40k to complain about. If you don’t like it don’t buy it, but without it you won’t have the others.

[Kenzaburo]

GW can win major community brownie points by updating the SM dex to an updated one for free via warhammer + if its been redeemed there already. Even if the revised SM dex had a shelf life of one year in 9th vs the 6 months of 8th, its not worth buying the revised dex when its going to be a launch codex in 10th ed. 

 

I'm with Megavolt and Lensoven here. 7th showed us, that this updated dex will have a pretty short lifespan. And to be honest, many of us didn't get to play much with the current codex either, because of the cursed pandemic. So in this case, a codex update feels unnecessary from an economic customer point of view. I would agree that the current codex has its problems, but when has that ever not been the case. To have an updated version that might be king because it's the last codex of an edition doesn't do much in terms of fun or resources for me. Your mileage may vary, of course.

 

 

Now, it's March, Eldar are just out. Nids are next in a few weeks. Going by the 2 books/month schedule, Daemons and CSM would be in April, Knights of every flavour in May, then In June multiple waves of Astra Militarum... This could be further delayed, or they could suprise us with a new faction (squats?) out of the blue. 

 

The problem I see with your timeline is, that you have forgotten the Nid dex in that last counting and haven't factored in that AoS is bound to have releases and focus slots in between. So I wouldn't bet any money on this being the correct timeline. 'It's more like Nids end of March/early April, then some AoS, probably a big chaos release for mid-May to mid-June, a bigger AoS release and maybe Heresy 2.0 and since Heresy is all about Astartes, why not put out a new 40k codex alongside it including some rules for the plastic spartan so you can sell it to almost all of your customers. :D That leaves guard and Knights for 2nd half of the year. But my guesses might be totally off, too. Who knows. If there's any more delays because the global economy ends up more disrupted because of the war in Ukraine we might even look at longer periods between releases.

[Halandaar]

 

God I really hope we don’t get another codex already.

Considering the Astartes codex is arguably bottom tier, why wouldn't you want an update?

 

There's a significant difference between being provided with a rules update for the faction (good), and being asked to buy a second premium-price hardback Codex for the second edition in a row (very bad).