Is there are new codex astartes on its way?

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

 

 

 

God I really hope we don’t get another codex already.

Considering the Astartes codex is arguably bottom tier, why wouldn't you want an update?

There's a significant difference between being provided with a rules update for the faction (good), and being asked to buy a second premium-price hardback Codex for the second edition in a row (very bad).

I can understand this viewpoint, I suspect if marines get updated there will be a campaign book for people who already own the codex, and the new one will be like the chaos version 2 book. So if you don't want the new models you don't need it.

 

That said the supplements really need to be touched up. I don't think marines lack of competitiveness is the because of the base book, it's because those supplements are dated.

[WARMASTER_]

 

By any measure more than half the Space Marine Chapters are performing poorly. Even the ones that are mid-tier are hovering at the bottom half of that tier.

 

Top 33%

- Black Templar

- Iron Hands

 

Mid 33%

- Dark Angels

- Salamanders

- Space Wolves

 

Bottom 33%

- Imperial Fist

- Blood Angels

- Deathwatch

- Ultramarines

- White Scars

- Raven Guard

 

GW making a money grab? Uhm yeah that’s what a business does. If you are a casual player then roll on with the first Codex. It would be appreciated if one would not stomp on the enthusiasm of others eager to refresh the Faction that pays for the GW to be able to also afford to refresh less profitable Factions.

:cussty businesses do money grabs.

Good businesses do not.

A year or less after the new dex drops 10th will likely be announced, and then we’ll just have to buy yet another codex.

There’s literally o reason for marines to get 2 codexes per edition, other than to milk people for money.

 

Why should marines get a second codex when you know necrons and other underpowered early codexes won’t get an update?

I feel like a point that’s getting missed a lot here is the codex probably isn’t a driving factor to the codex update it’s the next wave of marines that’s bringing a codex with it

 

GW wants to sell you models and then books not Vice Versa if the next range of marines is dropping (and why wouldn’t it be marines sell better than anything GW sell by a vast margin) a codex will follow along shortly after

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

By any measure more than half the Space Marine Chapters are performing poorly. Even the ones that are mid-tier are hovering at the bottom half of that tier.

 

Top 33%

- Black Templar

- Iron Hands

 

Mid 33%

- Dark Angels

- Salamanders

- Space Wolves

 

Bottom 33%

- Imperial Fist

- Blood Angels

- Deathwatch

- Ultramarines

- White Scars

- Raven Guard

 

GW making a money grab? Uhm yeah that’s what a business does. If you are a casual player then roll on with the first Codex. It would be appreciated if one would not stomp on the enthusiasm of others eager to refresh the Faction that pays for the GW to be able to also afford to refresh less profitable Factions.

:cussty businesses do money grabs.

Good businesses do not.

A year or less after the new dex drops 10th will likely be announced, and then we’ll just have to buy yet another codex.

There’s literally o reason for marines to get 2 codexes per edition, other than to milk people for money.

 

Why should marines get a second codex when you know necrons and other underpowered early codexes won’t get an update?

I feel like a point that’s getting missed a lot here is the codex probably isn’t a driving factor to the codex update it’s the next wave of marines that’s bringing a codex with it

 

GW wants to sell you models and then books not Vice Versa if the next range of marines is dropping (and why wouldn’t it be marines sell better than anything GW sell by a vast margin) a codex will follow along shortly after

other than valrak’s rumor there’s no evidence of any new models coming out any time soon.

If they were in the big leak/rumor from a while ago that’s been spot on so far maybe, but I don’t think they were, nor was there any mention of a new codex back then.

[Cruor Vault]

other than valrak’s rumor there’s no evidence of any new models coming out any time soon.

If they were in the big leak/rumor from a while ago that’s been spot on so far maybe, but I don’t think they were, nor was there any mention of a new codex back then.

 

 

The community articles for the new Ancient and Gravis captain hinted that there was more to come.  And Valrak has been correct a lot more than he has been wrong...

[Orange Knight]

 

By any measure more than half the Space Marine Chapters are performing poorly. Even the ones that are mid-tier are hovering at the bottom half of that tier.

 

Top 33%

- Black Templar

- Iron Hands

 

Mid 33%

- Dark Angels

- Salamanders

- Space Wolves

 

Bottom 33%

- Imperial Fist

- Blood Angels

- Deathwatch

- Ultramarines

- White Scars

- Raven Guard

 

GW making a money grab? Uhm yeah that’s what a business does. If you are a casual player then roll on with the first Codex. It would be appreciated if one would not stomp on the enthusiasm of others eager to refresh the Faction that pays for the GW to be able to also afford to refresh less profitable Factions.

:cussty businesses do money grabs.

Good businesses do not.

A year or less after the new dex drops 10th will likely be announced, and then we’ll just have to buy yet another codex.

There’s literally o reason for marines to get 2 codexes per edition, other than to milk people for money.

 

Why should marines get a second codex when you know necrons and other underpowered early codexes won’t get an update?

But if you don't care about performance or the meta, why even complain about a new codex?

 

If it doesn't concern you, by all means stick with the one you have now.

 

This is an example of negativity for the sake if negativity.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

By any measure more than half the Space Marine Chapters are performing poorly. Even the ones that are mid-tier are hovering at the bottom half of that tier.

 

Top 33%

- Black Templar

- Iron Hands

 

Mid 33%

- Dark Angels

- Salamanders

- Space Wolves

 

Bottom 33%

- Imperial Fist

- Blood Angels

- Deathwatch

- Ultramarines

- White Scars

- Raven Guard

 

GW making a money grab? Uhm yeah that’s what a business does. If you are a casual player then roll on with the first Codex. It would be appreciated if one would not stomp on the enthusiasm of others eager to refresh the Faction that pays for the GW to be able to also afford to refresh less profitable Factions.

:cussty businesses do money grabs.

Good businesses do not.

A year or less after the new dex drops 10th will likely be announced, and then we’ll just have to buy yet another codex.

There’s literally o reason for marines to get 2 codexes per edition, other than to milk people for money.

 

Why should marines get a second codex when you know necrons and other underpowered early codexes won’t get an update?

But if you don't care about performance or the meta, why even complain about a new codex?

 

If it doesn't concern you, by all means stick with the one you have now.

 

This is an example of negativity for the sake if negativity.

because I am poor.

There’s a difference between a weaker codex, and not having the same tool kit.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

The game is a luxury… can’t really complain about having to pay for a much needed update.

[Blindhamster]

I think when everyone is being bled dry, people can complain.

 

Our energy bills have gone up 300% in the last couple years haha

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

The game is a luxury… can’t really complain about having to pay for a much needed update.

an update and a new codex are too very different things.

They’ve been doing updates for free.

Bottom line, I just don’t see the need for a new codex this edition

Edited March 10, 2022 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

It’s not going to be an update.

[phandaal]

Would expect to see some new supplements for the 8th edition Chapters. Our codex is basically just a framework for supplement rules, which is especially noticeable for the Chapters without their 9th edition power creep book.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Here’s how I see it.

We have 1-1.5 years before 10th

 

As it stands there’s still 4-6 months before we even hear about a new codex from GW themselves, meaning we’ll have 7-12 months with the new codex before 10th drops, and marines will be the first or one of the first codexes to drop in 10th. 2 codexes in roughly a year or less seems a little bit ridiculous to me.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

This is geedub we are talking about.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Here’s how I see it.

We have 1-1.5 years before 10th

 

As it stands there’s still 4-6 months before we even hear about a new codex from GW themselves, meaning we’ll have 7-12 months with the new codex before 10th drops, and marines will be the first or one of the first codexes to drop in 10th. 2 codexes in roughly a year or less seems a little bit ridiculous to me.

If there are new models between now and the next edition there will be a campaign book and/or a new codex. It's just how GW works look at SoB or Lumineth they got new books within a year of the prior release. My hope is that if there is a new book I won't need to buy unless I want the new units, because I agree that it's ridiculous. Still will bet on GW to do it.

[Marshal Reinhard]

I'll be pleasantly surprised if 10th drops before GW asks us to shell out cash for another codex.

Edited March 10, 2022 by Reinhard

[Medjugorje]

I had a argument in the BT subforum which maybe improve the possibility of a new codex:

 

 

do anyone here think that our supplement is tested with the new Codex ?

 

I was thinking about how to improve our vows because "uphold" is a must take all the way which is really really bad designing. How could such a mistake happen?

I mean there are two ways why GW is failing so often in my opinion. I think there are many people working for GW with different goals and a part of them is the selling team which

want to sell their new models and books. So if you want to sell models then a good codex design ( a real option for 4 vows) is a way better tool then one good vow. Same for selling a book - so i dont think thats is happened here.

 

The other trap which GW has too often is that they dont realize how powerful some interactions can be like -1 to hit with stratagem for "no rerolls" + Transhuman phy. and 4++ (Custodes).

But that is not the case here because its easy to see a 5++ works very well on redemptors or every single normal astartes infantry model. So the only left options here:

- GW has just fluff gamers as testers which run over the whole board without thinking ( VALRAK style) and threw some dice and have fund

OR

- GW already tested the new codex ( for example lets say in the new book its possible to have advance and charge the entire assault phase for example, because in this case AAC would be a really strong vow)

 

I dont think GW playtesters are that bad (but maybe I am just hopeless naive -> rumors told point drops for custodes came from playtesters + early rule testers leaks said that harlekins wouldnt be competitive which both would shown how incompetent they really are)

 

Maybe we have a few guys here which have some insights.

[WrathOfTheLion]

It's a possibility that they wrote the BT book with a 'living' or 'working' version of the rules.

 

I want to say, especially Horus Heresy you could kind of get the vibe they may been thinking in the context of their new 2E rules for a while now.

[Medjugorje]

exactly this. Everything else would put GW into a bad shininglight.

[Dark Shepherd]

Are they going to throw a load of the new plastic heresy kits into a marine codex and use that for (added) justification?

[Karhedron]

Are they going to throw a load of the new plastic heresy kits into a marine codex and use that for (added) justification?

Many of the HH kits won't even require an entire new unit. The Mk6 Marines are just another Tactical Squad like the Mk3 and Mk4. The Contemptor will just require a coupe of new weapon options. The Spartan will be new. The Preator is just another officer model. These things could practically be accommodated via an FAQ.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

 

Are they going to throw a load of the new plastic heresy kits into a marine codex and use that for (added) justification?

Many of the HH kits won't even require an entire new unit. The Mk6 Marines are just another Tactical Squad like the Mk3 and Mk4. The Contemptor will just require a coupe of new weapon options. The Spartan will be new. The Preator is just another officer model. These things could practically be accommodated via an FAQ.

 

 

In all fairness a lot of rules GW has charged us for could and should've been free updates. I do think there will be a second marine codex, once all the other codex are released and they start the campaign series to prep us for 10th. I think it will just be an optional starting point for new players while existing players just pick up the campaign book.

[Dark Shepherd]

 

Are they going to throw a load of the new plastic heresy kits into a marine codex and use that for (added) justification?

Many of the HH kits won't even require an entire new unit. The Mk6 Marines are just another Tactical Squad like the Mk3 and Mk4. The Contemptor will just require a coupe of new weapon options. The Spartan will be new. The Preator is just another officer model. These things could practically be accommodated via an FAQ.

Im thinking the vehicles especially

[TheNewman]

I was excited for a moment there, but the Spartan is not the tank I was thinking of.

 

In the larger context I kind if hope that's not the case, Marines have a frankly absurd number of units as it is.

Edited March 28, 2022 by TheNewman

[Blindhamster]

will be interesting to see how they approach the heresy stuff for sure, on the one hand, its going to be available in plastic and will be a mainline product so could easily be added, on the other hand, keeping the heresy stuff in an imperial armour supplement might still be the best approach because they're often more limited in availability for marines anwyay

[Karhedron]

will be interesting to see how they approach the heresy stuff for sure, on the one hand, its going to be available in plastic and will be a mainline product so could easily be added, on the other hand, keeping the heresy stuff in an imperial armour supplement might still be the best approach because they're often more limited in availability for marines anwyay

We don't have a huge amount of HH plastic to go on but the Contemptor made it into the main Codex, despite previously being a FW resin model. I can't believe they would not want the potential to double-dip on sales by allowing them in 40K as well.