Is there are new codex astartes on its way?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

It was less "Firstborn are holding us back" and more "there's way too many redundant units", with the chatter being how to best combine the wargear of Intercessors and Tac Marines or Hellblasters and Devastators. Or whether having Heavy Intercessors and Eradicators as separate units makes sense.

 

Surprisingly civil thread for that forum.

 

Some of that might have been driven by Chaos Legionairs having W2 and A2 right out of the gate; it would be weird for Firstborn to still be A1 after that, but if they're A2 then Intercessors make no sense.

 

They definitely do need to consolidate. Heavy Intercessors and Eradicators came to mind for me as well, along with the three separate Phobos infantry units.

 

Mono-loadout units do not help here. GW is tooled up to produce things that cannot be integrated with pre-Primaris Space Marine kits, or even with other Primaris kits.

 

We can say that the idea to do a total replacement of one of their most diverse armies was a mistake, but at this point that is like saying the sky is blue.

GW has made it clear like literally stated they’re not a game company they’re a model company.

One kit to make multiple units isn’t as profitable as one kit for each unit.

[Rik Lightstar]

 

 

 

It was less "Firstborn are holding us back" and more "there's way too many redundant units", with the chatter being how to best combine the wargear of Intercessors and Tac Marines or Hellblasters and Devastators. Or whether having Heavy Intercessors and Eradicators as separate units makes sense.

 

Surprisingly civil thread for that forum.

 

Some of that might have been driven by Chaos Legionairs having W2 and A2 right out of the gate; it would be weird for Firstborn to still be A1 after that, but if they're A2 then Intercessors make no sense.

 

They definitely do need to consolidate. Heavy Intercessors and Eradicators came to mind for me as well, along with the three separate Phobos infantry units.

 

Mono-loadout units do not help here. GW is tooled up to produce things that cannot be integrated with pre-Primaris Space Marine kits, or even with other Primaris kits.

 

We can say that the idea to do a total replacement of one of their most diverse armies was a mistake, but at this point that is like saying the sky is blue.

GW has made it clear like literally stated they’re not a game company they’re a model company.

One kit to make multiple units isn’t as profitable as one kit for each unit.

In a passing comment, to an investor, on a tour of head office, years ago when Kirby was still the boss.

 

But sure keep trotting it out.

 

Rik

[phandaal]

 

 

 

 

It was less "Firstborn are holding us back" and more "there's way too many redundant units", with the chatter being how to best combine the wargear of Intercessors and Tac Marines or Hellblasters and Devastators. Or whether having Heavy Intercessors and Eradicators as separate units makes sense.

 

Surprisingly civil thread for that forum.

 

Some of that might have been driven by Chaos Legionairs having W2 and A2 right out of the gate; it would be weird for Firstborn to still be A1 after that, but if they're A2 then Intercessors make no sense.

 

They definitely do need to consolidate. Heavy Intercessors and Eradicators came to mind for me as well, along with the three separate Phobos infantry units.

 

Mono-loadout units do not help here. GW is tooled up to produce things that cannot be integrated with pre-Primaris Space Marine kits, or even with other Primaris kits.

 

We can say that the idea to do a total replacement of one of their most diverse armies was a mistake, but at this point that is like saying the sky is blue.

GW has made it clear like literally stated they’re not a game company they’re a model company.

One kit to make multiple units isn’t as profitable as one kit for each unit.

In a passing comment, to an investor, on a tour of head office, years ago when Kirby was still the boss.

 

But sure keep trotting it out.

 

Rik

Single loadout kits probably are better for GW though. Less extra plastic in a box, easier to make rules if it can only be one thing.

[TheNewman]

If anything that chatter would push things in the other direction, needing multiple kits to build a single unit. Intercessors already need a second kit if you want any of the good melee weapons on the Sergeant, adding any special or heavy weapons would mean a third kit.

 

I know it's a bit tangential but I always thought the Devastator kit was brilliant from a sales perspective. Two of every heavy weapon means two boxes to arm a squad entirely with whatever gun is best right now, and then you'll want two Tac boxes to use up all the spares, and then you'll have enough bits to build ten combi-bolters, and at that point you're probably contemplating some shield-and stormbolter Company Veterans so now you're looking at three Vanguard Vet boxes and possibly some Sternguard if you're not good at sculpting robes. The extra bits just spiral into other potential projects.

Edited April 9, 2022 by TheNewman

[Urkh]

@thenewman: you literally just described every kit I bought woth xmas/birthday funds last year, haha.

[SkimaskMohawk]

I still think the change to make all marines be 2 wounds was a mistake as to me that second wound represented the furnace, but I can understand the reason for doing it still (makes firstborn players happy), Its a shame they didn't come up with some other way to represent it though, like a stratagem to give a primaris unit essentially a we'll be back roll or something might have been cool. I guess the switch to make transhuman a primaris only thing was their way to represent it.

 

 

Transhuman is the way they represent it, which is both abstract and frustrating because we remember the last book when everything could transhuman.

[Blindhamster]

yeah, the trade off was getting extra wounds on the non primaris stuff but losing transhuman, debatable which was actually better for survivability now so many weapons are D2

[bigtrouble]

GW really doesn’t want too many weapons profiles in a single unit anymore because target selection and rolling individual shots slows down gameplay. For copyright reasons which we all know about, Primaris is here to stay. I would love to keep my tactical squads and devastators, but honestly would not care at all about gameplay implications of losing them. Tac squads aren’t realistically any better cost/benefit wise for having the heavy and special options, and they don’t have an effective Assault shooting profile, so they don’t play 9th well anyway.

[Dracos]

Not too many weapon profiles in a unit? Tell that to Crisis Suits