MadGreek Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I posted this in rules first, but haven't even gotten a view yet. Hope it is OK to also put it here - Looking at Intercessors, I think I have the order and rule correct, but let me run it by the group - Third bullet - If the Sgt doesn't have a Chainsword , Power Sword, Powerfist, or thunder hammer, he can trade his bolt weapon for a hand flamer, plasma pistol, chainsword, or powersword. Fourth bullet - If the Sgt doesn't have a Chainsword or Power Sword, he can TAKE a chainsword, powersword, power fist, or thunder hammer. So, my Sergeant trades his bolter for a Plasma pistol. Now he has a plasma pistol AND a bolt pistol, and NOW he can take a CC weapon from bullet 4. So the model can dual wield the pistols and have a hammer or powersword, etc. at his hip. Also, if I don't trade my bolter variant for anything, I can still take the fist, so my Sgt could wield the Auto Bolt Rifle and have the fist for CC. Now, THIS is why I am concerned. I have always believed (through reading on forums mainly) that the wargear options are followed in order, top to bottom. But in this case it doesn't make sense in a way. Bullet three says the model can't be equipped with the power fist or thunder hammer to meet the requirements, but those options aren't available until the fourth bullet, so why specify that before you can take them? So, am I reading the rules correctly, and applying them appropriately? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373423-wargear-options/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nord in Gravis Armour Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 You're reading it correctly - those tortuously-worded bullet points were put in place in order to preserve existing weird loadouts like the Sergeant Jovan model having a chainsword but no bolt rifle variant while making it painfully clear that cheeseheads couldn't finagle the rules as written to take dual melee weapons. Khornestar, phandaal and MadGreek 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373423-wargear-options/#findComment-5799775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadGreek Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 Thank you. In the other forum I posted in I was assured that you DON'T go in order, thus the Plasma Pistol / Fist combo isn't possible. Is it WRITTEN somewhere that we go in order? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373423-wargear-options/#findComment-5799799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 I don’t believe the pistol/fist combo is possible. If it’s sequential, then the wording of “can’t take these” on point 3 is meaningless. You can’t have a powerfist at that point, so why would they state you can’t do it if you have one? Basically, you can either have a special pistol and bolt pistol, chain/powersword and bolt pistol, or take a melee weapon in addition to your bolt pistol and rifle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373423-wargear-options/#findComment-5800029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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