Grand Master Raziel Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Here's the latest version of my 2K Ravenwing list. +++ NA 2K Ravenwing v1.61 (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [96 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] +++ ++ Outrider Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) [96 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] ++ + Configuration [12CP] + **Chapter Selector**: Dark Angels. Categories: PC: DA, Configuration Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [12CP]. Categories: Configuration Detachment Command Cost [-3CP]. Categories: Configuration Ravenwing Outrider Detachment [3CP]. Categories: Configuration, Aggressor Squad + Stratagems [-1CP] + Stratagem: Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics [-1CP]. Categories: Stratagems + HQ [16 PL, -1CP, 325pts] + Ravenwing Talonmaster [8 PL, -1CP, 175pts]: 1. Brilliant Strategist, Arbiter's Gaze, Power sword, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter [-1CP], Twin assault cannon, Twin heavy bolter. Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Faction: Dark Angels, Faction: Imperium, Character, Land Speeder, Fly, Vehicle, Inner Circle, Lieutenant, Ravenwing, Talonmaster, HQ Sammael [8 PL, 150pts]: 4-6. Master of Manoeuvre, Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Master-crafted plasma cannon, Raven Sword, Twin storm bolter, Warlord. Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Character, Faction: Dark Angels, Grand Master, HQ, Biker, Fly, Sammael, Faction: Ravenwing, Faction: Imperium, Inner Circle, Captain, Warlord + Elites [24 PL, -1CP, 395pts] + Ravenwing Apothecary [6 PL, -1CP, 135pts]: Bolt pistol, Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary [1 PL, 35pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Reliquary of the Repentant, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter [-1CP]. Categories: Character, Faction: Dark Angels, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Biker, Faction: Imperium, Apothecary, Inner Circle, Ravenwing, Elites, Chief Apothecary. Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon Ravenwing Black Knights [18 PL, 260pts]. Categories: Faction: Dark Angels, Faction: Imperium, Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Biker, Ravenwing Black Knights, Inner Circle, Core, Melta Bombs, Ravenwing, Elites. Ravenwing Black Knight [35pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon. Ravenwing Black Knight [35pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon. Ravenwing Black Knight [35pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon. Ravenwing Black Knight [35pts]: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon. Ravenwing Black Knight [40pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon. Ravenwing Black Knight [40pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon. Ravenwing Huntmaster [40pts]: Bolt pistol, Corvus Hammer [5pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Plasma Talon + Fast Attack [36 PL, 930pts] + Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 180pts]. Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Attack Bike Squad, Biker, Faction: Imperium, Core, Fast Attack, Faction: Dark Angels, Ravenwing. Attack Bike [2 PL, 60pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Multi-melta [10pts], Twin boltgun. Attack Bike [2 PL, 60pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Multi-melta [10pts], Twin boltgun. Attack Bike [2 PL, 60pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Multi-melta [10pts], Twin boltgun Attack Bike Squad [6 PL, 180pts]. Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Attack Bike Squad, Biker, Faction: Imperium, Core, Fast Attack, Faction: Dark Angels, Ravenwing. Attack Bike [2 PL, 60pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Multi-melta [10pts], Twin boltgun. Attack Bike [2 PL, 60pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Multi-melta [10pts], Twin boltgun. Attack Bike [2 PL, 60pts]: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, Multi-melta [10pts], Twin boltgun Bike Squad [5 PL, 120pts]. Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Faction: Imperium, Biker, Bike Squad, Core, Fast Attack, Faction: Dark Angels, Ravenwing. Biker Sergeant [40pts]: Combi-melta [10pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Twin boltgun. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts], Twin boltgun. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts], Twin boltgun Bike Squad [5 PL, 120pts]. Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Faction: Imperium, Biker, Bike Squad, Core, Fast Attack, Faction: Dark Angels, Ravenwing. Biker Sergeant [40pts]: Combi-melta [10pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Twin boltgun. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts], Twin boltgun. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts], Twin boltgun Bike Squad [5 PL, 120pts]. Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Faction: Imperium, Biker, Bike Squad, Core, Fast Attack, Faction: Dark Angels, Ravenwing. Biker Sergeant [40pts]: Combi-melta [10pts], Frag & Krak grenades, Twin boltgun. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts], Twin boltgun. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon [40pts]: Frag & Krak grenades, Meltagun [10pts], Twin boltgun Land Speeders [9 PL, 210pts]. Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Fly, Faction: Imperium, Land Speeder, Vehicle, Fast Attack, Faction: Dark Angels, Ravenwing. Land Speeder [3 PL, 70pts]: Multi-melta [10pts]. Land Speeder [3 PL, 70pts]: Multi-melta [10pts]. Land Speeder [3 PL, 70pts]: Multi-melta [10pts] + Flyer [20 PL, 350pts] + Nephilim Jetfighter [10 PL, 175pts]: Avenger mega bolter, 2x Blacksword missile launcher, Twin heavy bolter. Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Faction: Dark Angels, Faction: Imperium, Faction: Ravenwing, Vehicle, Fly, Nephilim Jetfighter, Flyer, Aircraft Nephilim Jetfighter [10 PL, 175pts]: Avenger mega bolter, 2x Blacksword missile launcher, Twin heavy bolter. Categories: Faction: Adeptus Astartes, Faction: Dark Angels, Faction: Imperium, Faction: Ravenwing, Vehicle, Fly, Nephilim Jetfighter, Flyer, Aircraft Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373454-ravenwing-outrider-2k-v-161/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValourousHeart Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Nice, have you gotten to play any games with this list yet? I'm curious how it will perform. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373454-ravenwing-outrider-2k-v-161/#findComment-5800849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulshra Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 How are objectives and actions treating you? I could see secondaries (other than Engage on all fronts and death on the wind) to be a challenge with this configuration Also curious how land speeders have been treating you vs the more usual ABs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373454-ravenwing-outrider-2k-v-161/#findComment-5801438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Raziel Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 I have not played this specific list, but I've been playing iterations of it for all of 2021. It's got its moments and it has some good matchups, but an issue with it is that it has no game in the assault phase, so I've been having problems with more assault based armies. What I'm hoping the planes will provide is another turn of shooting before assault armies can back it too far into a corner. I'm planning on starting them in Strategic Reserve as needed against shootier lists.One reason I'm using Land Speeders is because I have them, whereas I don't have 9 Attack Bikes. Well, I didn't when I wrote the first iteration of the list, anyway. They do have a few strengths over ABs though. For one, they're not as hampered by terrain as ABs are. They have better toughness and more wounds. Plus, I get some mileage using them to key off of for Targeting Guidance. Secondaries have been challenging. I haven't even been able to use DotW for most of 2021 because the person running most of the tournaments I've been didn't allow faction secondaries on the grounds of not everyone having them. Now that everyone has at least one, she's letting them be used now. I've actually started preferring Behind Enemy Lines to Engage because I don't have to worry about BEL for the first couple turns of the game, and afterwards any little remnant unit can score it for me. I can usually rely on taking Assassinate or Bring It Down. One of those, BEL, and DotW are usually my go-tos. I only take a secondary that requires actions if I'm desperate, because I don't really have any units I can afford to tie up doing them.On this flipside, this version of the list doesn't give up an obvious secondary. My previous iterations have had 5 characters - an additional Talonmaster and a RW Champion. This list goes down to 3, and doesn't really have enough vehicles to make Bring It Down worthwhile. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373454-ravenwing-outrider-2k-v-161/#findComment-5801445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulshra Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) Have the flyers done well for you so far? I've tended to see them as overcosted but maybe it's worth giving them another look As for targeting guidance, the talon master can do that, so maybe with reducing those to add MM ABs into the obsec bike squads? Edited March 4, 2022 by Vulshra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373454-ravenwing-outrider-2k-v-161/#findComment-5801669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Raziel Posted March 4, 2022 Author Share Posted March 4, 2022 I had not considered getting the points to add MM ABs to the Bike Squads by dropping the Speeders. It's not a bad though, but being able to have the Speeders just jump over terrain the bikes have to go around does come in handy with some consistency, and I'm a little more likely to hang the Talonmaster back a bit because it has a 24" range for his twin assault cannons, whereas ideally the MM Speeders are within 12", so more likely to be in position to trigger Targeting Guidance off of. Also, having Fly means they can't get trapped in combat, so I can use them to move-block and they fly away as needed. ValourousHeart 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373454-ravenwing-outrider-2k-v-161/#findComment-5801862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Raziel Posted March 4, 2022 Author Share Posted March 4, 2022 So I have this other list that was meant to address the deficiency in the assault phase. I'm not sure I like it though. It all hinges on the Bike Chaplain to make it work. Hypothetically, if I time the charges for Assault Doctrine and manage the positioning right, I could have chainsword-wielding Bikers at AP -2 wounding T4 targets on 2's, and thunder hammer wielding sergeants wounding T8 targets on 2's. That would be neat, but the points-per-attack investment is pretty high, and Ravenwing don't really have any rules, stratagems, or upgrades that make them sexy in assault. All they have going for them is their mobility, which admittedly is a pretty significant advantage, but other, more assaulty armies can often manage similar degrees of mobility and attacks for much less per model.+++ NA 2K Ravenwing Assault v1 (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [93 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] +++ ++ Outrider Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Dark Angels) ++ + Configuration + **Chapter Selector**: Dark Angels Battle Size: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost Ravenwing Outrider Detachment + Stratagems + Stratagem: Relics of the Chapter: Number of Extra Relics + HQ + Primaris Chaplain on Bike: 2. Fury of the Lion (Aura), 3. Exhortation of Rage, 4. Mantra of Strength, Benediction of Fury, Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Litany of Hate, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter Sammael: 4-6. Master of Manoeuvre, Warlord + Elites + Ravenwing Apothecary: Chapter Command: Chief Apothecary, Reliquary of the Repentant, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter. Black Knight Bike: Plasma Talon + Fast Attack + =Attack Bike Squad . Attack Bike: Multi-melta. Attack Bike: Multi-melta. Attack Bike: Multi-melta Bike Squad. Attack Bike: Multi-melta. Biker Sergeant: Thunder hammer. 6x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword: 6x Astartes Chainsword, 6x Frag & Krak grenades, 6x Twin boltgun. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Meltagun Bike Squad. Biker Sergeant: Thunder hammer. 4x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Twin boltgun Bike Squad. Attack Bike: Multi-melta. Biker Sergeant: Thunder hammer. 5x Space Marine Biker w/Chainsword: 5x Astartes Chainsword, 5x Frag & Krak grenades, 5x Twin boltgun. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Meltagun. Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Meltagun Land Speeders. Land Speeder: Multi-melta. Land Speeder: Multi-melta. Land Speeder: Multi-melta + Flyer + Nephilim Jetfighter: Avenger mega bolter Nephilim Jetfighter: Avenger mega bolter Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373454-ravenwing-outrider-2k-v-161/#findComment-5801865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 What got you to drop the Black Knights? Been considering a squad of 5 in my Inner Circle list just for something to swing around and back up whatever side of the board is hurting. Points drop made them a little easier to fit in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373454-ravenwing-outrider-2k-v-161/#findComment-5801900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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