Future changes to the intercessor loadout possible?

[Marshal Mittens]

Looking at GW giving Chaos an upgrade sprue for a kit they released with Shadowspear, I wonder if we will see a simular new sprue in any primaris kits, specifically intercessors, in the future? Intercessors don't come with their SGTs weapon options, for instance, and I wouldn't be surprised to see other options eventually?

[Rik Lightstar]

I'd say it's a certainty.

 

The Black Templars added a bunch of comb-weapon options along with the pyreflamers.

 

Id be absolutely shocked if these options aren't available to the standard marine Codex within the next 12 months.

 

Rik

[Marshal Mittens]

I was thinking we might see "vetern Intercessors" box with more power weapons and combi weapons for other chapters soon, like sword bros.

[Tichinde]

Possibly more "chapter specific" upgrade sprues....

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Yeah, I think new chapter upgrade sprues are very likely. I doubt there will be ton of new options though, I think maybe a couple of special weapons to choose from and combi-weapons. I just don't see them trying to have them work like tacticals with a heavy, and a special in each squad/ I think the bolt rifle is going to stay the unit's defining characteristic. Granted those are my opinions and GW does their own thing lol.

[Blindhamster]

most likely we will see:

• veteran intercessors: they'll either get their own kit or the unit might flat out get replaced with one with more options thats still essentially intercessors
• chapter upgrades: think we may see chapters get upgrade kits like black templars to replace the current ones eventually, these MIGHT include new options for intercessors, but I wouldn't bet on it being a certainty
• kill team: I could see intercessors getting the kill team treatment like chaos marines, rather than a new kit entirely, a set of unit upgrades for mini characters feels like a possibility - could even see that being how they update "veteran intercessors" above tbh. Though in theory a phobos unit would make more sense, it feels like intercessors would be the better place to add model variety as they're the more recognisable marine unit.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I actually think there will be a second upgrade sprue. They don't have phobos shoulder pads yet, and the new gravis units don't have the aggressor shoulder pads. In addition, you can only get the helix glove thing for infiltrators in the box set. They could include the options for intercessors, and also put in kill team rules.

[Guest]

Just give me Power Axes its all I want... *cries*

[TheNewman]

I'm still expecting GW to consolidate most of the Firstborn profiles into the Primaris line eventually, and probably do it in a way that forces me to buy a bunch of new things if I want to keep using my old models.

 

Which isn't to say that I'd throw a fit over more options on Intercessors, Assault Intercessors and/or Hellblasters, I'm just not naive enough to expect GW to care about invalidating parts of existing collections when they do it.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Yeah, I've been predicting a generic "Space Marine Upgrade Kit" since I saw the Black Templars set. I definitely think we'll be getting a generic one along with any chapter-specific kits due to the relic issue - the generic Space Marines codex just has a lot of relics available to all chapters that they'll likely put in plastic just as they did with the Templars relics. And they wouldn't simply put all of those relics in an Ultramarines upgrade kit or spread them out - the most logical thing would just be to put them in a generic kit.

 

I expect to see this generic upgrade kit alongside the 9.2 Space Marines codex. Even though we'll be getting updated supplements around the same time, I don't necessarily expect to see new chapter-specific upgrade kits until Tenth edition, with again Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves probably getting theirs first and then the codex-compliant chapters getting theirs alongside the inevitable 10.2 codex.

 

As for what'll be in it aside from relics, yeah new iterations of the Sergeant weapons seem like a must. It just goes against GW's new restrictive loadout options to keep allowing access to weapons that aren't part of either the base kit or a specific upgrade to that kit. Having the necessary bits in the ASSAULT Intercessor kit really screams "stopgap measure" to me... not to mention that the Power Fist bit in that kit just screams "alternate pose" to me. It's just bizarre to not have a more iconic chapter-agnostic version (and no, sanding the chapter icon off of the Imperial Fists Power Fist doesn't count).

 

I also would like to see a new "fifth man" option added to the Intercessors where one guy can take a Heavy Bolt Rifle or appropriate variant. They could make that happen with just a single set of arms and different mag options, so it's not like it would require much sprue space. The Auxiliary Grenade Launcher was fine when the squad was given its first MPK box, but they could use an actual "gunner" option now.

 

Other than all that, it'd just be new heads. Any new shoulder pads would show up in the individual chapter kits.

[Guest Triszin]

I don't think one for intercessors is coming, I could see one for reivers however

[WARMASTER_]

As other have said I can’t see an intercessor specific upgrade come bit I can see both a Veteran intercessor box which makes both assault and regular with fancy bits and probably some more weapon options

 

I can also see an upgrade sprue for the standard chapters with the relics from the standard codex like the teeth of terra ext and a few other decorations

 

And I for one am here for it

[Vanger]

Good question. So far we have no idea what direction the rumoured SM 9.5 codex will take. Do they consolidate some datasheets into one unit (veterans would be a good bet)  and what role our troops will take. The IF sprue already has signums on it, but it seems the rules for that got scrapped.

My wishful thinking is that there are a couple of units in need of updates/upgrades. A generic sergeant options sprue would be very welcome. Not only for Intercessors, but Reivers too. Even Heavy Intercessors could use a cahinsword or something. Not to mention Lieutenants need to be sconsolidated and have a standardised loadout. As do Captains.

[Marshal Reinhard]

I think a 'relics pack' would be the most likely option. It'd contain artifacts available to most/all chapters as the main selling point and perhaps general knickknacks.

 

Assault intercessor kit already contains a load of intercessor sergeant options so I don't see a burning need for the pack to contain generic power swords or thunder hammers.

 

I don't really see where any confidence that it'd contain reiver bits comes from, has even a single pack done so so far? Even gravis bits, sure packs have held gravis compatible shoulder pads before... but thats of less use in a generic pack

Edited March 10, 2022 by Reinhard

[Son of Sacrifice]

We used to get a new tactical box once every couple of editions (1st,2nd,4th,6th iirc,could well be wrong.) I'd be very surprised if Intercessors weren't the best single selling box in the whole catalogue since their introduction, so it might be time for the box to be replaced completely.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

We used to get a new tactical box once every couple of editions (1st,2nd,4th,6th iirc,could well be wrong.) I'd be very surprised if Intercessors weren't the best single selling box in the whole catalogue since their introduction, so it might be time for the box to be replaced completely.

the real question is what do they add to the kit that keeps it distinct from the tactical squad and not step in the toes of the specialist units in HS and elites.

[Rik Lightstar]

the real question is what do they add to the kit that keeps it distinct from the tactical squad and not step in the toes of the specialist units in HS and elites.

I think they'll get the options of

 

Special Weapons:

Pyreflamer

New Volkite something

New Grav something

 

Heavy Weapons:

Onslaught Gatling Cannon

Las-Fusil

 

Plus the existing Grenade Launchers

 

For the Assault Intercessors I can see them being able to add some special pistols to the squad too.

 

Rik

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

the real question is what do they add to the kit that keeps it distinct from the tactical squad and not step in the toes of the specialist units in HS and elites.

I think they'll get the options of

 

Special Weapons:

Pyreflamer

New Volkite something

New Grav something

 

Heavy Weapons:

Onslaught Gatling Cannon

Las-Fusil

 

Plus the existing Grenade Launchers

 

For the Assault Intercessors I can see them being able to add some special pistols to the squad too.

 

Rik

idk I think the pyreflamer was intended to be a BT unique weapon.

 

But the weapons you mention still just turn them more or less into primaris tactical squads, which I don’t think GW wants. I think that’s why they give us the different rifle profiles., with a hard hitting sniper-esque variant, a hoarde clearing variant, and one in the middle to create a similar versatility(with the AGL ofc)

Edited March 10, 2022 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Rik Lightstar]

I don't doubt that the initial goal was to have a clear delineation between them.

 

But I don't think that's such an issue going forwards, people now know the difference between the two flavours of Space Marines.

 

Rik

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

I don't doubt that the initial goal was to have a clear delineation between them.

 

But I don't think that's such an issue going forwards, people now know the difference between the two flavours of Space Marines.

 

Rik

yes, because there is a difference. If you start throwing special and hvy weapons into the squad then there’s no difference if those weapons fill the same niches.

[phandaal]

 

I don't doubt that the initial goal was to have a clear delineation between them.

 

But I don't think that's such an issue going forwards, people now know the difference between the two flavours of Space Marines.

 

Rik

yes, because there is a difference. If you start throwing special and hvy weapons into the squad then there’s no difference if those weapons fill the same niches.

That would not be the worst outcome. At some point we really are going to have to consolidate the "Primaris" and "Firstborn" datasheets, and making Intercessors into Tactical Marines is a good step in that direction.

[Rik Lightstar]

 

 

I don't doubt that the initial goal was to have a clear delineation between them.

 

But I don't think that's such an issue going forwards, people now know the difference between the two flavours of Space Marines.

 

Rik

yes, because there is a difference. If you start throwing special and hvy weapons into the squad then there’s no difference if those weapons fill the same niches.

That would not be the worst outcome. At some point we really are going to have to consolidate the "Primaris" and "Firstborn" datasheets, and making Intercessors into Tactical Marines is a good step in that direction.

 

 

Totally agree.

 

A single "Tactical Intercessors" Datasheet would be ideal, keep the Bolt Rifle options and the Grenade Launcher from the Intercessors, add in the Special & Heavy Weapon options from the Tactical Squad and you've got a decent outcome all round. 

 

I can also see Veteran Intercessors disappearing into the Sternguard and Vanguard options, which I wouldn't have an issue with.

 

Rik

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

 

 

I don't doubt that the initial goal was to have a clear delineation between them.

 

But I don't think that's such an issue going forwards, people now know the difference between the two flavours of Space Marines.

 

Rik

yes, because there is a difference. If you start throwing special and hvy weapons into the squad then there’s no difference if those weapons fill the same niches.

That would not be the worst outcome. At some point we really are going to have to consolidate the "Primaris" and "Firstborn" datasheets, and making Intercessors into Tactical Marines is a good step in that direction.

I agree but until that time I don’t see intercessors getting that sort of weaponry, and I don’t think GW is ready to do that yet.

[phandaal]

 

 

 

I don't doubt that the initial goal was to have a clear delineation between them.

 

But I don't think that's such an issue going forwards, people now know the difference between the two flavours of Space Marines.

 

Rik

yes, because there is a difference. If you start throwing special and hvy weapons into the squad then there’s no difference if those weapons fill the same niches.

That would not be the worst outcome. At some point we really are going to have to consolidate the "Primaris" and "Firstborn" datasheets, and making Intercessors into Tactical Marines is a good step in that direction.

I agree but until that time I don’t see intercessors getting that sort of weaponry, and I don’t think GW is ready to do that yet.

 

 

Yeah it does seem like they want single-loadout squads more or less. Easier to make into boxes that way.

[Marshal Reinhard]

I agree but until that time I don’t see intercessors getting that sort of weaponry, and I don’t think GW is ready to do that yet.

 

Let's see if that missile launcher squad become a thing first basically

Edited March 12, 2022 by Reinhard