grailkeeper Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I was wondering recently about Sigismund. He's a big character I know surprisingly little about. I read his biography on a warhammer wiki. It got me thinking. What I really wanted to know was- when was he created? Who invented him. I think it might be John French as I think he's a relatively new character. I went to a BL weekender around about 2014 when it was announced he'd get a novella which got a cheer from the crowd. I'd never heard of him at that point. It would be cool if lexicanum or one of the wikis also had a real world history of characters and units, not just the fictional in universe history. It'd be cool to read that a certain type of unit was introduced in 3rd edition but was substantially revised in 6th or that a Character was initially created by such and such a games designer before being expanded on by such and such an author. Its pretty well known at this point that the Horus Heresy was invented to give titans a reason to fight each other in Adeptus Titanicus. Similarly Space Marine Pauldrons were created due to modelling issues which in turn led to some iconic stuff- making a virtue out of a necessity. It'd be very interesting to know why certain things were created and what need they filled. There's probably a better title for this thread but I can't think of it off hand. WARMASTER_ 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373637-history-of-warhammer-sigismund/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) There's probably a better title for this thread but I can't think of it off hand. Evolution of... As far as Im aware Templars didnt become the Templars we know today until the Armageddon 'codex' back in 3rd ed? I dont have a copy so I cant see if Sigismund was mentioned here, maybe index astartes article mentioned him, if not it will be the first proper dex they had. Before the Armageddon dex all they had was a single picture of an all black marine with white crosses in the Ultramarine codex back in 2nd edition. Edited March 23, 2022 by Slave to Darkness Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373637-history-of-warhammer-sigismund/#findComment-5806907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I think Sigismund was was first introduced in WD when they released the 25th anniversary edition Emperor's Champion. Sigismund was mentioned as the original champion. Slave to Darkness, BLACK BLΠFLY and Xenith 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373637-history-of-warhammer-sigismund/#findComment-5806914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Ill try find the WD pdf later, I have a very unorganised hard drive and will take a while to find it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373637-history-of-warhammer-sigismund/#findComment-5806916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Dawnstar Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Sigismund is mentioned as the first High Marshall in the little intro to their rules section in Codex Armageddon, but as far as that book goes he's just a name. There's nothing in there suggesting a connection to the Emperor's Champion (or indeed any fluff directly explaining the role of Champion at all). Slave to Darkness 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373637-history-of-warhammer-sigismund/#findComment-5806922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to Darkness Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Sigismund is mentioned as the first High Marshall in the little intro to their rules section in Codex Armageddon, but as far as that book goes he's just a name. There's nothing in there suggesting a connection to the Emperor's Champion (or indeed any fluff directly explaining the role of Champion at all). One less thing for me to hunt down and check lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373637-history-of-warhammer-sigismund/#findComment-5806924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Sigismund has been the first Emperor's Champion and first High Marshal of the Black Templars since they were retconned back in 3rd edition. Sigismund himself has changed a bit since then, though. Slave to Darkness, BLACK BLΠFLY, WARMASTER_ and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373637-history-of-warhammer-sigismund/#findComment-5806937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mittens Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) Dude has very cool and surprising history. He was good friends with Khârn during the great crusade, and worried about him during Istavan III, knew Angron, and took some traditions from the world eaters (like chaining your weapons to yourself) and was also friendly with an oddly large number of future traitors. Though he was eventually killed by him, Abbadon respected him and wished he would see things from his prospective as well. Dorn disowned him for a while too. During the Siege of Terra he was made the first Emperors Champion (though he already had black armor), and fought the best champions Chaos had. He lost to Khârn once, then killed him later. He also fought Fulgrim once, but was bested and saved by Dorn. Edited March 23, 2022 by Marshall Mittens Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373637-history-of-warhammer-sigismund/#findComment-5806946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 These are the pages from the original spread on the Champion. The story is the same as the one Tyler has shown above, but also shows the designer's notes. However, I can see why you posted this originally in Amicus, and it's a good point. The wikis would do well to do a 'behind the scenes' section for each miniature/character/theme etc. To explain to newer hobbyists how things ended up the way they are now. Because it can be very confusing to a new person. Slave to Darkness, templargdt, Gamiel and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373637-history-of-warhammer-sigismund/#findComment-5806987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) It always gets a rise out of me when some people who just post up and hope for the best. Sigismund has an extremely rich and full history plus he is a great person as well. Edited March 24, 2022 by Black Blow Fly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373637-history-of-warhammer-sigismund/#findComment-5807000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gideon stargreave Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Not sigismund but arbitorian on YouTube does real world histories of 40k lore Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373637-history-of-warhammer-sigismund/#findComment-5807271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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