Leagues of Votann Initial 1st April 2022 reveal, new lore & articles discussion

[Scribe]

I think the potential of them being Men of Stone...is something I feel I should have thought of a long long long time ago, but I never did.

[helterskelter]

Something that came up on my twitter travels

 

Makes sense to me, part of the blade connection looks runic

Edited May 11, 2022 by helterskelter

[Fire Golem]

Nah, that’s definitely Seraphon. Matches their newer weapon designs and a lot of their weapons already have those dangly bits. It also doesn’t look like anything we’ve actually seen on the LoV yet.

[sairence]

I like the lore, it makes them distinct enough from other groups. But GW needs to be careful. They're setting them up with a eugenics and genetic engineering background...it's not something we have in 40k yet I think.

 

But if they make them appear as solid people that have their act together in a galaxy gone mad it ends up a very bad look for the overall setting and franchise in my view. There's already enough idiots trying to co-opt 40k.

 

So looking forward to see more details about how the LoV society is messed up to the core, beyond just relying on hardrrlives that are way past their use date.

Edited May 11, 2022 by sairence

[Taliesin]

Are they getting a codex, has that been announced?

[Plague _Lord]

Are they getting a codex, has that been announced?

 

Do you actually imagine a totally new faction that is released without a codex? :D

[Orange Knight]

Are they getting a codex, has that been announced?

The Leagues of Votann?

 

GW say they are going to be a full faction, so a codex is pretty much a guarantee.

[SpaceDwalin]

Are they getting a codex, has that been announced?

The original announcement (well the one after the April fools misdirection) says "Humanity’s long-lost cousins actually are making their return to the 41st Millennium as a full Warhammer 40,000 faction."

Being a 'full 40k faction' I expect means they'll get a codex.

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/02/what-april-fools-the-41st-millenniums-next-faction-is-real-heres-a-model-to-prove-it/

[TrawlingCleaner]

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[phandaal]

I like the lore, it makes them distinct enough from other groups. But GW needs to be careful. They're setting them up with a eugenics and genetic engineering background...it's not something we have in 40k yet I think.

 

But if they make them appear as solid people that have their act together in a galaxy gone mad it ends up a very bad look for the overall setting and franchise in my view. There's already enough idiots trying to co-opt 40k.

 

Would not worry about 40k being coopted by other franchises. This take on Space Dwarves is unique enough that people will be able to tell the difference between it and something like Mantic, for example.

[Slave to Darkness]

So for all the OG Squat fans, how do you feel about the new look and lore? You onboard or are you a bit 'hmmmmmmmm' with what you have seen so far? 

 

Im not 100% onboard with it, but Im glad the Squats are back, and no doubt the locals will jump on the new hot stuff so Ill be grateful for pickup games that wont just be more Primaris.  Lorewise Im just saying my Squats are survivors of the Nid bite of 87, a bike is a bike at the end of the day so I can still run my wheeled badboys without too much hassle. Good times to be had ahead. :tu: 

Edited May 11, 2022 by Slave to Darkness

[Orange Knight]

Well, these guys aren't the OG Squats.

 

The OG Squats still exist, and are distant cousins to the Leagues of Votann by the look of things. The guys in Necromunda showcase this well.

 

We shouldn't refer to the Votann as Squats as these lore snippets are defining them as a new faction that merely echoes the Squats.

[Halandaar]

 

I like the lore, it makes them distinct enough from other groups. But GW needs to be careful. They're setting them up with a eugenics and genetic engineering background...it's not something we have in 40k yet I think.

 

But if they make them appear as solid people that have their act together in a galaxy gone mad it ends up a very bad look for the overall setting and franchise in my view. There's already enough idiots trying to co-opt 40k.

 

Would not worry about 40k being coopted by other franchises. This take on Space Dwarves is unique enough that people will be able to tell the difference between it and something like Mantic, for example.

 

 

I don't think other franchises looking for inspiration is what the concern is here...

[Xenith]

 ++ Warhammer 40,000 already has a very long history of genetic engineering, the concept of castes, purity, revulsion of the mutant, etc, so this is nothing new. It is also not the topic of this conversation. Please keep any discussion relevant to the in-universe Leagues of Votann. ++

 

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[caladancid]

I like the lore, it makes them distinct enough from other groups. But GW needs to be careful. They're setting them up with a eugenics and genetic engineering background...it's not something we have in 40k yet I think.

 

But if they make them appear as solid people that have their act together in a galaxy gone mad it ends up a very bad look for the overall setting and franchise in my view. There's already enough idiots trying to co-opt 40k.

 

So looking forward to see more details about how the LoV society is messed up to the core, beyond just relying on hardrrlives that are way past their use date.

I am so lost. We don't have genetic engineering in 40k? Have you heard of Space Marines?

 

We don't have eugenics where an entire subset of the human race is bred to facilitate space transport?

 

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Edited May 11, 2022 by Dosjetka

[Dont-Be-Haten]

The Gene clone agency is really really cool. It has so many avenues to take. I think it has a really cool ability to have gene splicing and then robots and I just really like dwarves anyways.

 

I -really- hope we get a troll slayers equivalent. Omg carnifex eaterkyn or something wild like that. I totally understand that's wish listing but man my head Canon already.

[Scribe]

I'm unreasonably excited over the development that they are the men of stone (likely). Squats were gone by the time I entered the hobby so I have no idea if that was even a hinted thing before or if Men of Stone and the Men of Iron was a 3rd edition invention. 

[TheVoidDragon]

Lore wise this all sounds like a very unique idea for Space Dwarfs. Advanced genetic engineering, led by ancient DAoT AI, controllable Warp Tech, construction of Megastructures etc is a very interesting direction.

 

Model wise however, I really hope things go well. At this stage though I haven't been particularly excited by what they've shown.

 

The Trike itself is great retro sci-fi / Dieselpunk look, albeit the hover tech is a disappointment and i'd have much preferred tracks, wheels or something else. Hopefully it's something that's just for the Pioneer as they're advanced scouts, the use of bolt and auto weapons implies it's not all going to be super high-tech stuff at least. The pilots aviation theme and coat is cool.

 

But it's the other aesthetics about them that I dislike. Very clean, bland sci-fi armour without much in the way of "Dwarf" inspired theming, and it severely limits beard possibilities. Some of that artwork has felt a bit better, with the jewellery and Gold embellishments, but if that's lacking from the miniatures overall it will be such a shame. I don't want them to go too far with that sort of thing, but they just need something to establish a bit more connection to being that skilled martial race of mastercraftsmen Dwarfs with a proud heritage. All it would take is something as simple as their logo on the backpack or belt like Grendlesen has. Nearly every other army in the game has that sort of thing even on their basic infantry; Orks, Necrons, Tau, Imperial Guard, Space Marines, Mechanicus, Sisters, Genestealer Cult. It feels like something that should be there on a Sci-fi Dwarf.

 

 

Well, these guys aren't the OG Squats.

The OG Squats still exist, and are distant cousins to the Leagues of Votann by the look of things. The guys in Necromunda showcase this well.

We shouldn't refer to the Votann as Squats as these lore snippets are defining them as a new faction that merely echoes the Squats.

That isn't what they've said, though. The original Squats aren't distant cousins to the Leagues, what was said that the Ironhead Prospectors - who use the name Squats because that's the Imperial name and they're Imperialized - are distant cousins to the Leagues, because the Ironheads left the League homeworlds 10,000 years ago and went to Necromunda to help the Imperium. It was said that they would have been called Kin originally, and they diverged after settling on Necromunda. So the Leagues are implied to be a retconned version of the originals.

Edited May 11, 2022 by TheVoidDragon

[Machine God]

 

 

 

so when something gets 'squated' in the setting, what do we call it now? everything is back! Getting AoSed?

Tombkinged.

Had the very same convo with a friend. We went for Brettowned.

 

Slanned, they never made it out of the 1st ed rulebook. 

@Slave to Darkness - Except for a mention at the back of the Old 'Crons Codex.

[jimbo1701]

OG squat fan here. Collected them in epic. Had no doubt they would return reimagined one day. I am fine with whatever angle they choose to take on things. For reasons gw previously stated (and reasons I think we all know deep down) the original squats were never going to make a comeback as they are from a different era of 40K which was more goofy, less grimdark. It’s exciting to see a new faction evolve and I hope they are of interest to a lot of people. I will probably buy the army set should they release one like with chaos knights / sororitas etc then hold off til next year to start collecting a full army.

[Joe]

More lore!

 

 

[StraightSilver]

Interesting throw away line in the article about LoV teaching the Tau how to harness the power of Ion technology.

 

Does this possibly confirm LoV and Demiurg are one in the same?

Edited May 20, 2022 by StraightSilver

[Guest Triszin]

I knew it was an ion rifle :D.

 

 

100% demiurg will be a break away votann group

 

 

Gw alludes/confirms Tau got ion tech from votann

Edited May 20, 2022 by Triszin

[Slave to Darkness]

All I need is some kind of heavy bolter and everything I have currently is useable. :) 

[Guest Triszin]

Votann will get plasma melee weapons 0.0