Impulsor & Bladeguard still viable?

[9x19 Parabellum]

We were discussing the illusion of Marine durability, here, Medj.  Strats and character support for offense have nothing to do with it.  Both units are dead turn 1 (unless Devs start the game in a drop pod).

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I think the Impulsor needs to come down at least 50 points.

[Karhedron]

Most Marine vehicles either need a buff or a hefty points drop. Trimming 5-10 points off a Land Raider every year or so is not cutting it.

[Orange Knight]

Most Marine vehicles either need a buff or a hefty points drop. Trimming 5-10 points off a Land Raider every year or so is not cutting it.

I made a post months ago, before the release of the most recent point adjustments, about how GW have an opportunity to really change some things for the better.

 

Then they removed 4% off the cost of some terribly overpriced and underpowered units, and I knew then that the regular point updates will never usher any meaningful, positive change for things that are struggling.

 

We've had chapter approved updates on a regular basis since 8th pretty much started, and at this stage it's clear that if something is ever going to see a meaningful update, it will only do so with a new codex release.

 

*fixed typing error*

Edited April 13, 2022 by Orange Knight

[Marshal Mittens]

16 wounds and a 3+ save for a 300+ point repulsor hurts, to be sure.

 

Still they look cool so I will be painting some for my 40k Dark Angels.

[Malakithe]

Im not sure even a 30% points decrease will help space marine vehicles right now.

 

An Impulsor with Shield is 125pts which is approaching MBT range for other factions to do what? Ferry 6 marines...honestly that blows my mind

[CCE1981]

The Impulsor needs a serious points drop like 80 pts with the shield upgrade. I would even say if it doesn’t have one of those big upgrades it should be able to hold 10 models.

[9x19 Parabellum]

Im not sure even a 30% points decrease will help space marine vehicles right now.

 

An Impulsor with Shield is 125pts which is approaching MBT range for other factions to do what? Ferry 6 marines...honestly that blows my mind

 

This again is the real problem.  It doesn't function in a primary way according to any role.  Transport? Eh. Not for a whole squad.  Firepower? not even close.  Linebreaker/distraction carnifex?  Nope. Gimmicky tricks? Nope.  Priced like an A-list hollywood star?  ABSOLUTELY.

[Medjugorje]

you have to forget the shileld. Its close to useless now. I think the Impulsor is clearly better now. Even because the main units which gain anything from it prefer from that rule too.

 

BGV still better by foot imo

[Orange Knight]

There's no way an Impulsor can be justified in the current game when compared to the vehicles of other factions with recent updates.

 

I am convinced the unit CAN be made to function, but with a price like that it needs to allow the units inside to disembark and charge after the vehicle moves.

[Medjugorje]

why?

 

you have +1 Save so you dont need the points for the 5++ and everything you can transport is still better because of that rule.

[Dracos]

My 3 melta rifles still cripples the Impulsor T1 with -4AP. Non T8 Vehicles are still pretty much a bust IMO. The boards and missions heavily still favor infantry of foot avian IMO. The thing either needs it’s old 4++ which in today’s environment isnt really that big a deal (looking at everything Custodes) or a serious point slash

[Medjugorje]

My 3 melta rifles still cripples the Impulsor T1 with -4AP. Non T8 Vehicles are still pretty much a bust IMO. The boards and missions heavily still favor infantry of foot avian IMO. The thing either needs it’s old 4++ which in today’s environment isnt really that big a deal (looking at everything Custodes) or a serious point slash

but they cripple a dreadknought too. And that dread is still more expensive but considered as a good unit.

[Malakithe]

 

My 3 melta rifles still cripples the Impulsor T1 with -4AP. Non T8 Vehicles are still pretty much a bust IMO. The boards and missions heavily still favor infantry of foot avian IMO. The thing either needs it’s old 4++ which in today’s environment isnt really that big a deal (looking at everything Custodes) or a serious point slash

but they cripple a dreadknought too. And that dread is still more expensive but considered as a good unit.

 

Its a 'good' unit in a faction of very bad units and near useless vehicles. And even know is a Redemptor worth 185pts? Ehhh...

[Dracos]

You’re comparing a Dreadnought value to a Transport? Apples and oranges man.

[Medjugorje]

I just want to say that each unit is dead after a Melter squad shoot them down. But I think an impulsor is maybe not that bad because of the new rule.

[Lord_Ikka]

I've used my Impulsor/Bladeguard to decent effect- it made getting to the center of the board faster than it would have been footslogging, and required the enemy to pour some dedicated shooting into the Impulsor that would have otherwise gone into units that were more valuable. Everyone's mileage may vary though.

[Dracos]

I would agree it is … but as a transport it has less intrinsic value and should be pointed as such.

 

Edit: I do likely underestimate the auxiliary values of a transport so a I capitulate to that argument.

Edited April 15, 2022 by Dracos

[Angelus Nex]

For Impulsors to bekomen viable at the moment, their cargo needs to toughness or hella deadly. If hellblasters were affordable or if they could transport gravis armour (taking 2 spots, so 3 gravid guys) they would be competing with other choices, eradicators in impulsors would be cool. Still almost 300 points, but core and infantry getting so ethereal fast to melt stuff.

 

Edit; as for bladeguard, they are okay, but stormshields weren't that abusive on them. So that hurts.

Edited April 15, 2022 by Angelus Nex

[Marshal Mittens]

I think vehicles have a "vehicle tax" because of how competitive players use them as mobile LOS blocking terrain. Iirc in older editions most transports were very affordable.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

The Impulsor needs a huge drop in points.

[Medjugorje]

The Impulsor need a 4++ as option instead of 5++ because this is not worth it with the new rules.