Running new beakies from HH as intercessors in 40k?

[Marshal Mittens]

Their bigger, they all have bolters, and they look cool. How do you all feel about that?

[phandaal]

My Intercessors have Mk 7 helmets and other minor alterations to make them look like scaled-up Tactical Marines.

 

As long as you like them, that is all that matters. Not like you are claiming they are Terminators or Attack Bikes or something.

[Rik Lightstar]

As long as you weren't also running other MKVI squads as Firstborn stuff I'd be fine with it.

 

If for example everything in your army is Primaris I can't see anyone having an issue.

 

Rik

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Honestly don’t like it.

[Medjugorje]

I think the bajonet looks not good and the proportion seems wrong. But I have to see it in reality. Normally i am a big fan of VI Powerarmor but in this case...

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I wouldn't mind it, but it would get really confusing if you used other HH minis as firstborn. I also wonder if we're going to see some new unit entries/wargear for 40k with these kits and that could complicate things. That said if you like them go for it.

Edited April 23, 2022 by Jorin Helm-splitter

[Lord_Ikka]

As long as you aren't running other MK VI as a different unit, i.e.-Tactical Squads, then I'd be fine with it. Probably wouldn't hold up for tournaments, but for regular play it'd be ok for most people. Consistency is the main issue; all your Intercessors should be modeled the same, rather than some regular Primaris and MK VI bodies. 

[Tyberos the Red Wake]

It's a complete proxy so I wouldn't like it but I also wouldn't complain or disagree to play against it, unless you were actually running other Mk VI models as Firstborn and the game started getting complicated. At the bare minimum, I would have preferred the models to actually be as large as Primaris (even just a leg swap would be sufficient) and to have the proper bolt rifles rather than regular bolters.

 

They're your army, you should do what you want. I know I myself have wanted to use Firstborn models to play Primaris roles on my army, but I never went through with it because that's my personal stance and though I can't force others to share my views, I appreciate when the respect and effort I provide to my opponents is reciprocated.

[Blindhamster]

yeah basically comes down to, so long as you arent also using them as non primaris, not an issue

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

One thing that I would suggest is to make sure to keep reinforcing what they are to your opponent. I think alot of the frustration with proxies is losing track of what things are in your opponents army.

[Malakithe]

I want to see rules for bayonets on bolters. That would be cool

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Prolly +1A.

[Orange Knight]

You could, but I personally would not like it and would probably to avoid the game as this is a complete proxy of a unit.

[CrystalSeer]

It's power armor with bolters. If you are replacing intercessors... It's more power armor... With bolters.

 

Just be consistent and tell your opponent what they are. If they won't play due to that, you're dodging a bullet.

[WARMASTER_]

Personally wouldn’t do it myself but I wouldn’t have any umbrage to someone for it as long as it was clearly stated

 

Running them as Sternguard is definitely a better choice though

Edited April 10, 2022 by BladeOfVengeance

[painting.for.my.sanity]

I would be much more comfortable if you fielded them as Tactical Marines or Sternguard.

[phandaal]

It's power armor with bolters. If you are replacing intercessors... It's more power armor... With bolters.

 

Just be consistent and tell your opponent what they are. If they won't play due to that, you're dodging a bullet.

 

Yeah if this is a deal breaker for someone, they probably would not be that much fun to game with.

[Orange Knight]

 

 

It's power armor with bolters. If you are replacing intercessors... It's more power armor... With bolters.

 

Just be consistent and tell your opponent what they are. If they won't play due to that, you're dodging a bullet.

Yeah if this is a deal breaker for someone, they probably would not be that much fun to game with.

Sisters of Battle are infantry with power armor and bolters. Should they be used to Proxy Primaris too?

 

Primaris are distinctive enough, and 40k is a visual experience as much as anything else. No one should accept something they don't want to.

[Xenith]

 

 

It's a space marine with a bolt weapon. If you are replacing intercessors... It's a space marine with a bolt weapon

Just be consistent and tell your opponent what they are. If they won't play due to that, you're dodging a bullet.

Yeah if this is a deal breaker for someone, they probably would not be that much fun to game with.

Sisters of Battle are infantry with power armor and bolters. Should they be used to Proxy Primaris too?

 

Primaris are distinctive enough, and 40k is a visual experience as much as anything else. No one should accept something they don't want to.

 

 

Good point, maybe the above correction? At any rate, plenty use primaris to repreent firstborn, like all the primaris death company and vanguard units I see around, so why not the other way round? They're visually distinct (larger, different mk) to firstborn, so shouldn't be confusing. The only issue I see is with the variety of intercesor bolt weapons - you should be consistent across models and use all the same, or maybe use attachments to represent different models, like chain bayonets are assault bolt rifles, etc. Actual intercessor weapons have such small changes in components this would be fine. 

[lansalt]

plenty use primaris to repreent firstborn, like all the primaris death company and vanguard units I see around, so why not the other way round?

 

In the case of people using primaris bodies for firstborn units, those usually still keep the old helmets and weapons, so they just look upscaled but still the same unit. They end up looking as if the marines crossed the Rubicon Primaris and got MkX armour, but kept their old gear.

 

Intercessors and their bolt rifles are just too distinctive IMHO.

[phandaal]

 

 

 

It's power armor with bolters. If you are replacing intercessors... It's more power armor... With bolters.

 

Just be consistent and tell your opponent what they are. If they won't play due to that, you're dodging a bullet.

Yeah if this is a deal breaker for someone, they probably would not be that much fun to game with.

Sisters of Battle are infantry with power armor and bolters. Should they be used to Proxy Primaris too?

 

Reminds me of Meet the Fockers: "I have nipples, Greg. Can you milk me?"

[Orange Knight]

This isn't a discussion that should cause any real argument on the forum. It's a choice and a subjective preference.

 

If an individual is using a proxy (The level of difference in models is irrelevant) the onus is on them to obtain the approval of their opponent, not the other way around.

 

Whether one likes the look of Primaris or not is entirely subjective. They are undeniably very distinctive, even if they do share a lot of common design elements with traditional Astartes units.

If someone wanted to use an Aquilon Custodes unit to proxy Terminators, it would be the same issue. The models ARE similar, but they are also instantly recognisable as to what they are to the 40k enthusiast.

 

Now, if someone went out of their way to perform some inventive and unique conversion of models, that is a different proposition entirely. But even this would be subjective - dependant on the final result.

[WrathOfTheLion]

That subjective opinion is fine, but in that case, I'd expect one has a similar opinion on proxies as a whole, not just on the thing they're attached to.

 

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That said, my preference would be that one might do some conversion work to maybe flip the bolt rifle at least, but at the end of the day, it's not the biggest deal as long as there's no 'conflicts'. If it gets like 'this Rhino is an impulsor' and stuff like that on top of it, then it's a bit more than just using one set of power armor on 32mm bases with similar loadouts interchangeably.

Edited April 13, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion

[phandaal]

This isn't a discussion that should cause any real argument on the forum. It's a choice and a subjective preference.

 

 

True, and if I gave you the impression that we were having an argument I apologize.

 

My statement is: if someone has a problem with OP or someone else using upscaled beakies in place of Intercessors, to the point where they would refuse a game, then that game was probably not going to be fun anyway. In this case, not fun for either person.

[Guest Triszin]

I see no problem with it. So long as you tell your opponent what they are. And also, so long as most of the squad are roughly the same