Valerian Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Well this is interesting. Armour of Contempt, in particular, might cause a bit of a meta shift. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 I think... It's going to get a update next week. As technically armor of contempt applies to chaos cultists, spawn and the throw away sister troops. ----- Having said that, it is interesting. Seeing it apply to everything is welcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5815572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted April 14, 2022 Author Share Posted April 14, 2022 Don't forget folks, this applies to our vehicles, as well - it's not just Infantry. Dreadnoughts just got even better than they already were. Karhedron and Bulwyf 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5815592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Honestly I think it just returns dreads where they were pre recent madness, but on the whole this looks like a good bump without over reaching too far. We will see how it shakes out I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5815711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Wolf guard terminators get a stealth buff Armor of contempt means a SS is only giving a 4++ benefit now May as well take advantage of our unique rules and dual wield weapons on every terminator Combi weapon + melee weapon Keen senses helps in shooting + melee Bulwyf and Kallas 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5815793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Power armor marines with light cover are effectively armor 1. They get a pseudo invulnerable save now. We have storm caller to put light cover where we need it. A horde of blood/skyclaws may actually survive to cause problems 2+ base marine armor is now sturdy as hell too Need to take the big AP tools in marine v marine fights or it is a slap fight Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5815797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 That is something I didn't think on, it now makes chainswords a swarm weapon. We need power weapons to deal with astartes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5815821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 That is something I didn't think on, it now makes chainswords a swarm weapon. We need power weapons to deal with astartes We are space wolves...our job was literally killing other marines i took great pride whenever i beat down other astartes Slave to Darkness 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5815838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgr_maddog Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 If my dread has a Blizzard Shield, will he get 4++ and Armor of contempt, or do I finally have a reason to try the great axe & great claw option on a wulfen dread? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5816052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 The Blizzard Shield doesn’t increase your Armor. That means you still get Armour of Contempt. Not to mention the 4++ AND Duty Eternal Karhedron and Valerian 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5816055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) Wulfen dreads are looking extra good Also Wolf Lords gain nothing from stormshields so you can make some extra tasty beatsticks, Wolf Lords on Thunderwolves with Teeth of Terra and a Hammer/fist am looking in your direction Armour of Russ on power armoured Rune Priests or any Battle Leaders is extra good now. Same with The Armour Indomitus Edited April 16, 2022 by Dark Shepherd Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5816515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) Personally I feel like the data slate is going to be big shot in the arm for my army. Ragnar feels strong because he didn't have the storm shield & has an ap-4 weapon. Bladeguard miss out on armor of contempt but I think lightning claws got worse, with some fractions not allowing re-rolls. So a mastercrafted powersword feels strong. I rely on auto-bolt rifles so their ap doesn't really change much. One change I may consider is changing the impulsors from shield to the missile launcher. Getting a few more shots while still having the same save vs. melta is worth testing. Edit: Slightly worse save against melta but they'd still have one. Edited April 16, 2022 by Jorin Helm-splitter Bulwyf 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5816541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 Start using null zone more as well Marines with armor buff will be better off than many others Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5816565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Fenrisian/cyber wolves also get AOC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5817671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 I am wondering if things like Land Raider variants might actually be viable for us now. A Rune Priest casting Storm Caller gives this a 1+ save so we get a 3+ save against Lascannons and a 4+ vs melta. Is that enough of a survivability buff to be useful? I have always enjoyed the lead hose effect of the LRC as well as its copious transport capacity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5818991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 It mighy get FAQd fast but can see beasts losing AOC fast GW hate them Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5819290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 If you give a runepriest Saga of Majesty you get 9 inch aura on minus one to hit, cover stays 6 inches, also/or pop smoke strat, but for Land Raiders cover and AOC would mean 2+ save v missile launchers, 3+ v lascannons I don't think Saga of Majesty works on psychic powers sadly. Even so, good call on smoke Launchers, I had forgotten them in relation to vehicles even though I regularly pop them on my Phobos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5819305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Yeah unfortunately psychic powers aren’t listed as any aura that benefits from Aura of Majesty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5819590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yan Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Land raider looks tasty. Loaded with some terminators it will be really hard to get them off an objective. Rhino loaded with marines also is durable now. I played two games against other marines last weekend and had a lot of trouble to chew trough them. Where before i would wipe a squat of marines when i charged my twc in, they now where staying in combat for the rest of the game Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5819702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 I should start generating an rhino based list. I miss my rhinos... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5819798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Land raider looks tasty. Loaded with some terminators it will be really hard to get them off an objective. Rhino loaded with marines also is durable now. I played two games against other marines last weekend and had a lot of trouble to chew trough them. Where before i would wipe a squat of marines when i charged my twc in, they now where staying in combat for the rest of the game Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5819800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Wolf guard terminators with chainfists and combi meltas are on my idea board Not going back to combi-plasma? I suppose the proliferation of -1 Damage rules has rather taken the shine off plasma as the premiere all-round gun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5819803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Wolf guard terminators with chainfists and combi meltas are on my idea boardNot going back to combi-plasma? I suppose the proliferation of -1 Damage rules has rather taken the shine off plasma as the premiere all-round gun. Dude i am still sad about finding the perfect combi plasma bits only to see the meta shift hard and make me not want to use them. from research to shipping it was months long...the psychic awakening combo of never dying from over charged plasma never got used...sigh I think combi melta may be the better all around gun...the spike damage potential and extra point of strength are a big deal in the nid meta Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5819806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 Id say for the points combi melta every time. 1 less shot but potentially more damage, S and AP, and helps more against anything with -1dmg. An no having to overcharge on a multiwound model. Im generally DSing my WGTDA and although outside of melta range, theyre still usually within 12", and then need to be dealt with before they get in 6" range. If i was running 2 squads if probably go 1 CM 1 CP though. My current list I have 1 squad with: 4x Claw/C.Melta 1X C.Fist/CM Pack Leader C.Fist/CM I like having the mix of weight of attacks the claws give with a couple of C.fists for the high AP. C.Fists seem pretty good now for 5 points Karhedron and TiguriusX 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5819825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 This is the terminator army I made to experiment with the dataslate update Will do the full saga when I play ++ Vanguard Detachment -3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [100 PL, 4CP, 2,000pts] ++ + Configuration + **Chapter Selector**: Custom Chapter, Space Wolves Successor, Stalwart, Warded Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost [-3CP] + Stratagems + A Trophy Bestowed [-1CP] Stratagem: Relics of the Chapter [-1CP]: Number of Extra Relics Thane of the Retinue [-1CP] + HQ + Librarian [7 PL, -1CP, 145pts]: 1. Living Lightning, 2. Murderous Hurricane, 5. Storm Caller, Chapter Command: Chief Librarian, Force sword, Frag & Krak grenades, Jump Pack, Rites of War, Smite, Storm bolter, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, The Armour of Russ Primaris Chaplain on Bike [8 PL, -1CP, 150pts]: 4. Mantra of Strength, 6. Canticle of Hate (Aura), Absolver Bolt pistol, Benediction of Fury, Chapter Command: Master of Sanctity, Crozius arcanum, Frag & Krak grenades, Hunter, Litany of Hate, Stratagem: Warrior of Legend, The Imperium's Sword, Twin Bolt rifle, Warlord + Troops + Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 120pts] . 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine . Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Frag & Krak grenades, Marksman bolt carbine + Elites + Wolf Guard [7 PL, 145pts]: Jump Pack . Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw Wolf Guard [7 PL, 145pts]: Jump Pack . Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Frag & Krak grenades, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw Wolf Guard Terminators [18 PL, 395pts] . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Chainfist, Combi-melta . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Chainfist, Combi-melta . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader: Chainfist, Combi-melta Wolf Guard Terminators [18 PL, 395pts] . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Chainfist, Combi-melta . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Chainfist, Combi-melta . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour: Combi-melta, Lightning Claw . Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader: Chainfist, Combi-melta Wulfen [8 PL, 145pts] . Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws . 4x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: 4x Storm Shield, 4x Thunder Hammer Wulfen [8 PL, 145pts] . Wulfen Pack Leader: Wulfen Frost claws . 4x Wulfen w/ thunder hammer & storm shield: 4x Storm Shield, 4x Thunder Hammer + Fast Attack + Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts] . Cyberwolf: Teeth and claws Cyberwolves [1 PL, 15pts] . Cyberwolf: Teeth and claws + Heavy Support + Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 75pts]: Bolt sniper rifle . Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Camo cloak, Frag & Krak grenades, Instigator Bolt Carbine, Morkai's Teeth Bolts . 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades + Dedicated Transport + Land Speeder Storm [3 PL, 55pts]: Cerberus launcher, Heavy bolter Land Speeder Storm [3 PL, 55pts]: Cerberus launcher, Heavy bolter ++ Total: [100 PL, 4CP, 2,000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) I can stand in the open with armor save of 0+ if storm caller goes off Small arms fire should bounce Big guns don't wound me on 2s or 3s And I have an obsec bubble available...figure I can grab the primary lead even if I take a ton of casualties If anything does get close I can maul the crap out of them with wulfen and short range terminators And the bike chaplain has a S8 D4 crozius if I feel like launching him at a target DanPesci and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373846-new-balance-slate/#findComment-5819844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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