BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 He’s lethal for sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5817725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 There’s only so many points to go around and I prefer the Judicar for choppy armies… he pretty much equates to some auto kills. I had this idea before. But against shooty armies he will not do that many for you and even against melee armies its hard to bring him into combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5817746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Whatever… shrugs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5817757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 best thing for him is the 6" HI WL-Trait but its base is really huge - so its not easy to prepare him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5817820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Actually it’s quite easy - put him behind BGV their bases are spread out such that enemy unit can’t get through but he can HI into engagement range. EC has MoA WLT so he can join in as well with fights first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5817832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 its sound more easy as it is on the table. In theory it sounds very tasty. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5817878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Actually it’s quite easy - put him behind BGV their bases are spread out such that enemy unit can’t get through but he can HI into engagement range. EC has MoA WLT so he can join in as well with fights first. You'd have to HI around the BGV though right? As the BGV are wider than 1" bases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) The base for the Judicar can easily squeeze into engagement range by correctly positioning the BGV. Edited April 22, 2022 by Black Blow Fly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 did i build it wrong? I thought 40mm bases.? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 (edited) Yeah I am trying to get my head round it! The Judiciar can't fit through the gaps but you're saying he doesn't go round, how do you do it? Edit: Ah wait I think I'm being stupid. The Judiciar can fit but a whole unit can't. Is it something like this: B = BGV X = 1" hole J = Judiciar E = enemy unit EEEEEEEEBXBXXBXB J So technically the enemy could charge the Judiciar and conga-line through the hole, or send a character through the hole, but they couldn't fit a bigger unit. Edited April 22, 2022 by Brother Kraskor BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 You got it. :) Brother Kraskor 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Nice, just makes the unit so unattractive to charge. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 I think the primaris chaplain on bike just got waaaay better against small arms fire thanks to AoC. This loadout seems great as a guided missile which is built for damage - Tannhauser's bones, Wise Orator, Mantra of Strength, Exhortation of range, Imperium's sword - 6 str 8, D3 attacks on the charge. Ap -1 sucks against AoC but the damage 3 goes well into 3+ save heroes and vehichles. The tank loadout - Tannhauser's bones, Wise Orator, Litany of Divine Protection, Plea of Deliverance ,Iron resolve - Maximising defensive stats - Iron resolve boosts the number of saves you have to fail to 8, while also giving a 6+++ if Divine Protection fails. Plea of deliverance just to avoid smite and other mortal wound sources. I think you can't get tankier in BT then this guy. BTW does Plea of Deliverance kind of block smites? I.e. Enemy manifests smite, unit with Plea of Deliverance working is closest so smite has to go into said unit. Smite doesn't damage due to Plea? Might be a nice counter to the maleceptor. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Templars naturally deny mortals on 5+. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 Yeah I am trying to get my head round it! The Judiciar can't fit through the gaps but you're saying he doesn't go round, how do you do it? Edit: Ah wait I think I'm being stupid. The Judiciar can fit but a whole unit can't. Is it something like this: B = BGV X = 1" hole J = Judiciar E = enemy unit EEEEEEEE BXBXXBXB J So technically the enemy could charge the Judiciar and conga-line through the hole, or send a character through the hole, but they couldn't fit a bigger unit. dont forget that you have to hide your units behind buildings. Some terrain will prevent you from such positioning. That was my biggest problem - and hiding is so important in this edition. In addition. my opponents didnt charge except they calculated if it would still work or he had "fight last" too. But yeah... it theory it was easy as you have shown. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 It’s a win if they don’t charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted April 22, 2022 Author Share Posted April 22, 2022 sometimes. But it cost 1 CP and 85 points. for that amount you can buy a whole Crusadersquad or Sword brethren which could screen too and can used as utility unit in some games... I dont want to say that its a bad idea or its not worth it. Its just not that easy the better your opponent is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Templars naturally deny mortals on 5+. Well denying 1/3 of mortals isn't good enough when I want a real tank. Plea of deliverance blocks 100% of psychic damage. Medjugorje and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 There’s only so much bling to go around - YMMV. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 I think the primaris chaplain on bike just got waaaay better against small arms fire thanks to AoC. This loadout seems great as a guided missile which is built for damage - Tannhauser's bones, Wise Orator, Mantra of Strength, Exhortation of range, Imperium's sword - 6 str 8, D3 attacks on the charge. Ap -1 sucks against AoC but the damage 3 goes well into 3+ save heroes and vehichles. The tank loadout - Tannhauser's bones, Wise Orator, Litany of Divine Protection, Plea of Deliverance ,Iron resolve - Maximising defensive stats - Iron resolve boosts the number of saves you have to fail to 8, while also giving a 6+++ if Divine Protection fails. Plea of deliverance just to avoid smite and other mortal wound sources. I think you can't get tankier in BT then this guy. BTW does Plea of Deliverance kind of block smites? I.e. Enemy manifests smite, unit with Plea of Deliverance working is closest so smite has to go into said unit. Smite doesn't damage due to Plea? Might be a nice counter to the maleceptor. Hadn't thought of that use for Plea. If you had a big blocker unit it could totally neuter a psychic-heavy army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5818554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) Shouldn't judge everything on one game but I have to say Uphold was critical for me yesterday evening. Played Death Guard, and the 5++ didn't come in handy much, once or twice but usually it was AP-3 and AoC meant I was on 5+ anyway. They didn't have much shooting so I didn't need cover, but the mini transhuman came in loads. With that in mind I think I'm going to sub out Honour Vehement, the relic only works if we take Accept so limits flexibility. Swap for Ancient Breviary on the Chaplain so he can take Rites of War instead of WIse Orator. Edited April 28, 2022 by Brother Kraskor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5820540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Yea Uphold has always been necessary for Death Guard, it offsets their main offensive mechanic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5820566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 2, 2022 Author Share Posted May 2, 2022 Played 1250 points against AdMech. Helbrecht + BikerChaplain (Ancient Breviary + MoS + Wise Orator + Divine Protection + Ferm. Accl.) 5 Assault Intercessors with Fist of Balthus 2x5 Incursors 1x5 Swordbrethren with Sword of Judgement + Bones of Mordred + lightning claws + swords 2x Impulsors with MM 1 REdemptor IT IS a new game. WOW are Marines tough now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5822156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Glad to see sword brethren getting some play Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5822206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 btw... i used AAC and Ferv. Accl as lithany so I had uphold for the dread in combination to 5+++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373856-finally-a-new-game/page/2/#findComment-5822245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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