Medjugorje Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 After CSM now will have 3 Attacks. What do you think is the point for us here? Do we get an additional attack and loose shock assault? Maybe gain the attack and not loosing shock assault? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) Almost certainly shock assault will get removed for an extra attack across the board. This happened for all other SM factions, not just CSM. Just an obvious rule that can be removed. I don't think a further attack will be added, CSM were pretty rough with only 1A base and they're intended to be more close combat focused. Edited April 18, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion BLACK BLΠFLY and Prot 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 but then we will loose shock assault too and gain one attack. Thats good I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 It'd be good, yeah. Mainly it would make things simpler, one less rule in the game. Grey Knights, Death Guard, Thousand Sons and Chaos Space Marines had Shock Assault/Hateful Assault removed, so I think that's highly likely. I know I've mentioned it before in a few threads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallas Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 It means that Firstborn will go to 2A, and we'll lose Shock Assault...and Primaris will go up to 4A base BLACK BLΠFLY and phandaal 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadEdric Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I play both Ultramarines and Chaos. Imperial side has all the good shooting, let's give Chaos something they can do better than their Imperial brethren. I certainly hope they don't bump up the attacks for Tacs or Primaris. Slave to Darkness, Tyriks, Khornestar and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 I play both Ultramarines and Chaos. Imperial side has all the good shooting, let's give Chaos something they can do better than their Imperial brethren. I certainly hope they don't bump up the attacks for Tacs or Primaris. Tacs should be bumped to 2 and loose shock assault. This is the most likely turn of events. It is likely that Primaris will be bumped to 3 off the back of this. Grand_Master_Alpharius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkyHamHam Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Doesn't the article say that traitors fight with "3x the fury" of a loyalist? To me that's indicative that FB will not go to 2 base attacks. But I've been wrong before. More than I'm right, actually. Son of Sacrifice 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Doesn't the article say that traitors fight with "3x the fury" of a loyalist? To me that's indicative that FB will not go to 2 base attacks. But I've been wrong before. More than I'm right, actually. Actually with the strat they do, see legionary's are rumored to be able to fight twice so 6 attacks to the tac marines 2. Grand_Master_Alpharius 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 I play both Ultramarines and Chaos. Imperial side has all the good shooting, let's give Chaos something they can do better than their Imperial brethren. I certainly hope they don't bump up the attacks for Tacs or Primaris. I think they have to do that. There are still SW, BA and BT on the loyal side. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) They and Firstborn can have the extra attack. Give me <Transhuman> as an innate ability for Primaris Edited April 19, 2022 by Dracos Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallas Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 They and Firstborn can have the extra attack. Give me <Transhuman> as an innate ability for Primaris Gross, that would be awful for the game to introduce yet more creep. We might as well just start having flat wound rolls for weapons on the datasheet like Age of Sigmar. WrathOfTheLion, MegaVolt87, Iron Father Ferrum and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Lol consider it my version of poking fun at those who expect the lore and rules to mirror each other. After all they sold us on Primaris saying they were bigger stronger faster than normal Space Marines. Half the community lost its mind thinking their lil marines were destined for the same fate of the squats. I’m sure there’s some irony there lol. Then over just couple years Intercessors only edge over their Tactical brothers are in a couple very specific stratagems while missing out on a true affordable ish transport and weapon options. Oh and that 1aa that gets used in a blue moon. Yet there are armies whose whole range is Transhuman or it’s equivalent of 4++. I feel we were deliberately lied to. So anymore I just have no patience for GW lies about matching lore and rules. The new lie being the ferocity of the CSM. Maybe when SM 2.0 comes out it’ll be “ … and fresh from the Indomitus Crusade comes a hardened Primaris forged in the fires of Vigilus. Octavius, and Nachmund with renewed vigor … add Wounds and Attacks as desired :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) If they removed Shock Assault and added +1A, they'd need to review the BT supplement sharpish because that would mean Accept Any Challenge could have non-BT specific units running around with +2A...! Edited April 19, 2022 by Brother Kraskor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 If they removed Shock Assault and added +1A, they'd need to review the BT supplement sharpish because that would mean Accept Any Challenge could have non-BT specific units running around with +2A...! maybe thats the goal. I mean AAC is not good. An additional attack would be okay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 AAC is the new hotness but you keep on playing your gunline little brother. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 AAC is the new hotness but you keep on playing your gunline little brother. I think it's even good for gunlines where you can make use of cover tbh. I am putting together a list which has a lot of nasty shooting to soften the enemy up, then a counter-charge by Sword Brethren to mop them up. The heavy stuff will be in cover so I don't want Uphold. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 How about Chaos gets something and Loyalists don't? Just for a change...shake things up a little. Jolemai, Lord Raven 19, Grand_Master_Alpharius and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 How about Chaos gets something and Loyalists don't? Just for a change...shake things up a little. I do get where you're coming from but there are things where there should be parity and things where they can diverge. When marines of every flavour have previously had a Shock Assault rule equivalent and have since lost it and gained an attack, that is probably something that should be made equal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 How about Chaos gets something and Loyalists don't? Just for a change...shake things up a little. I can understand where it come from. But instead of bad wishes for that one faction who normally gets all love, GW should be faster with their low tier factions. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyB Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 I kind of hope that Chaos get the extra attack, while we Loyalists just keep Shock Assault. I know it seems strange; but between the fact that most Chaos Marines are in fact closer to veterans, and that the Codex Astartes encourages all Marine Chapters to engage in very fast-paced, focussed warfare, I think it makes a fair amount of sense. Oxydo, Helias_Tancred, Grand_Master_Alpharius and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 I think shock assault is done. They phased it out of the newer marine books for a reason. Elite infantry needs that second attack to keep pace on the tabletop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 The rumoured chaos doctrines dobt kick in on assault til turn 4, I wouldnt want that (even if their new doctrines are more powerful) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killersquid Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 I'm pretty happy if marines keep Shock Assault, while CSM have 3 attacks base. They are more experienced warriors, good to have the difference. Usually, won't make much of a difference, as combats tend not to slog on for multiple rounds. Dosjetka and Oxydo 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 I'm pretty happy if marines keep Shock Assault, while CSM have 3 attacks base. They are more experienced warriors, good to have the difference. Usually, won't make much of a difference, as combats tend not to slog on for multiple rounds. Thats not a good argument. Most of the CSM are not from the Heresy and even the CSM from the Heresy have been a long time in the warp where the time is not what is considred "normal". And a lot of loyal Marines fought their whole life. Would be cool if the attck goes into the statline ( one more rule which is put away ). But this shock assault could be a stratagem (for loyal and for normal marines). Kallas 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/373894-csm-with-3-a-what-does-that-mean-for-us/#findComment-5817679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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