What are you most excited about from the new plastics?

[Gorgoff]

 

 

 

Affordability...

The resin prices are through the roof, but I doubt these are going to be very affordable. The mk3 already costs more than a tactical squad for...reasons. Some of the current stuff like the most recent terrain has also been through the roof; combine it with a possible 30k markup and we've got a potentially very expensive plastic lineup.

Yeah, but like there's no way they're going to charge $113.50 USD for a plastic javelin land

 

Forgeworld: Challenge accepted.

[WrathOfTheLion]

 

Oh boy, shows you how long it's been since I looked at tactical marines. For years they were 50 cad, while the heresy ones (and sternguard) were 60.

 

Despite being wrong, it still kind of shows what I mean. A tactical squad is 65 cad now; they were 40-45 before the new box in 2015. GW stuff is hugely more expensive than it used to be; their newest releases have ranged from poor to gouging in terms of customer value.

 

And absolutely it's more than it ever was, but since we already have a baseline price with how expensive the resin kits are now... Any reduction at all on that will end up for the better. We're dealing with what we've got as far as relative to an existing baseline.

[Marshal Mittens]

I imagine the MKVI will feature in the starter sets and be stupid cheap, for GW, for a while.

[SkimaskMohawk]

 

 

Oh boy, shows you how long it's been since I looked at tactical marines. For years they were 50 cad, while the heresy ones (and sternguard) were 60.

 

Despite being wrong, it still kind of shows what I mean. A tactical squad is 65 cad now; they were 40-45 before the new box in 2015. GW stuff is hugely more expensive than it used to be; their newest releases have ranged from poor to gouging in terms of customer value.

 

And absolutely it's more than it ever was, but since we already have a baseline price with how expensive the resin kits are now... Any reduction at all on that will end up for the better. We're dealing with what we've got as far as relative to an existing baseline.

I think what's happening is I'm remembering how people in the past used to talk about how expensive resin was compared to plastic. And it was, and it's gotten more expensive ever since they did their own exchange rate. But the plastic stuff has gone way up too since then. It's actually getting to the point where it was cheaper to buy some resin back then, then it is to buy plastic now, depending on where you lived.

 

As an example, I ordered 4 Deimos rhinos in July of 2017 for 148 GBP, exchanged to 245 CAD. It costs 240 CAD to buy 4 stock rhinos right now; 280 for the sororitas version that is more of an upgrade kit.

 

Or in October 2016 when I got 10 dark fury for ~123 CAD. It's now 130 CAD to get 10 vanguard veterans.

 

So I might be misconstruing the issue when people say it's going to be more affordable to buy due to plastic. Because it directly will be compared to the current resin. But its going to be less affordable than it was to get into heresy back in the day when it was kind of at its peak of 1st in 2014-2016. It was even cheaper to just buy 40k units and paint them up as a heresy legion, like what a couple of friends did.

 

Sorry this turned into a tangent, but jeeze.

[Ripper.McGuirl]

I imagine the launch box or boxes will be very expensive, but a great deal, and a great deal cheaper than buying the kits separately later. Again, there will be the 15-20% retailer discounts floating around that will make things easier, too.

But overall, I think it’s true that GW plastic is more or less the same price as FW resin was when Heresy was at it’s peak. At that time, FW also felt even more expensive because Calth and Prospero were relatively easy to come by, and there was some gnarly shipping involved in FW.

Hopefully they do preorder guarantees on whatever boxes come out, so people can stock up.

[Corswain]

I'm most excited for what the plastics represent more than the models themselves - an increased focus on Heresy to give it it's biggest shot in the arm since Betrayal at Calth.

 

I'll also be very pleased if the plastic Deimos and Sicaran turn out to be true, although I bought some resin ones last year just before the rumours started so a little frustrating.

[WrathOfTheLion]

 

 

Oh boy, shows you how long it's been since I looked at tactical marines. For years they were 50 cad, while the heresy ones (and sternguard) were 60.

 

Despite being wrong, it still kind of shows what I mean. A tactical squad is 65 cad now; they were 40-45 before the new box in 2015. GW stuff is hugely more expensive than it used to be; their newest releases have ranged from poor to gouging in terms of customer value.

And absolutely it's more than it ever was, but since we already have a baseline price with how expensive the resin kits are now... Any reduction at all on that will end up for the better. We're dealing with what we've got as far as relative to an existing baseline.

I think what's happening is I'm remembering how people in the past used to talk about how expensive resin was compared to plastic. And it was, and it's gotten more expensive ever since they did their own exchange rate. But the plastic stuff has gone way up too since then. It's actually getting to the point where it was cheaper to buy some resin back then, then it is to buy plastic now, depending on where you lived.

 

As an example, I ordered 4 Deimos rhinos in July of 2017 for 148 GBP, exchanged to 245 CAD. It costs 240 CAD to buy 4 stock rhinos right now; 280 for the sororitas version that is more of an upgrade kit.

 

Or in October 2016 when I got 10 dark fury for ~123 CAD. It's now 130 CAD to get 10 vanguard veterans.

 

So I might be misconstruing the issue when people say it's going to be more affordable to buy due to plastic. Because it directly will be compared to the current resin. But its going to be less affordable than it was to get into heresy back in the day when it was kind of at its peak of 1st in 2014-2016. It was even cheaper to just buy 40k units and paint them up as a heresy legion, like what a couple of friends did.

 

Sorry this turned into a tangent, but jeeze.

 

Yeah, don't worry about the tangent. I wholly understand the point you make, it's just in the past and we have to deal with what's there now.

[BitsHammer]

So I'm a bit excited to see what the Legion specific upgrade stuff will be (and if we'll see them around launch), but for actual kits and units?

 

Honestly I'm not sure. I really like the fact the MkVI is more in scale than I expected but I think the Spartan is my favorite so far because it is so big and chonk.

[Felix Antipodes]

Many (many) years ago, before GW entered my life, it was military vehicles that fed my plastic crack needs.  The Spartan gives me hope that a lot of the FW vehicle range follow it into plastic as I’ve loved them but would never go the resin route.  Been there, hated that..

 

The other hope I have is that the character range moves over to plastic as well.  Not likely but one can dream 

[SkimaskMohawk]

The other hope I have is that the character range moves over to plastic as well. Not likely but one can dream

If Rann, Zephon, and the praetors are any indication, I sincerely hope not.

 

Not to say there aren't chunky monkey resin character series models, but the earlier stuff was just so nice. Weapons didnt distract from the model, bling was better integrated, and pauldrons weren't hugemongus.

[lansalt]

 

The other hope I have is that the character range moves over to plastic as well. Not likely but one can dream

If Rann, Zephon, and the praetors are any indication, I sincerely hope not.

 

Not to say there aren't chunky monkey resin character series models, but the earlier stuff was just so nice. Weapons didnt distract from the model, bling was better integrated, and pauldrons weren't hugemongus.

 

That's more about the design and aesthetics, not the material. Some of last HH resin models have also issues like that.

[infyrana]

The other hope I have is that the character range moves over to plastic as well.  Not likely but one can dream 

 

Tough one this ... I would really like to see some more Death Guard characters.  The choices I felt were very limited and pidgeon holed the army as did the RoW's, so some alternatives could be great especially if they choose to finally think outside of the box and consider the legion as a whole.

 

However, the scale would be out of place with my existing models and I'm scared for whatever designs they may come up with.  However, if they did a decent Crysos Morturg (doubtful, any bling would be too much bling for this guy) I would probably cave and wait for some new sized MkII / MkV to go with him.

 

Still.. Breachers, more Breachers and Caestus ;)

Edited April 23, 2022 by infyrana

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

honestly, I'm extremely hype for the game to be more accessible to a whole load of new folks - when the box leaks dropped last year, I managed to get a bunch of friends interested in the game and we've all kinda been in a holding pattern waiting for the new edition to release so we can get stuck in, and it's so cool being able to share the game with a community of folks I care about now the entry barrier's so much lower

 

on a personal level, as something of an obsessive converter/ kitbasher, I'm really excited to kitbash the new Mk6 with my current B@C Mk4s for my shattered Legion raven guard & fingers crossed a future Mk2 kit with these BoP Mk3s for my Salamanders - I've only been working on my Iron Hands terminator/ dreadnought force for the time being because of the wait but I'm ravenous to get some sprue pics 

[SkimaskMohawk]

 

 

 

The other hope I have is that the character range moves over to plastic as well. Not likely but one can dream

If Rann, Zephon, and the praetors are any indication, I sincerely hope not.

 

Not to say there aren't chunky monkey resin character series models, but the earlier stuff was just so nice. Weapons didnt distract from the model, bling was better integrated, and pauldrons weren't hugemongus.

That's more about the design and aesthetics, not the material. Some of last HH resin models have also issues like that.

Yea I literally said there were bad resin ones lol. I guess I'll rephrase it; I don't want them to replace the good resin sculpts with their new style.

 

Like the original praetor duo is just so clean. And I have the sinking feeling they're going to get axed for the plastic praetors that cant hold a candle to them.

[Warhead01]

Based on indicators I've read, lctb stuff, it sounds like maybe we'll get a new plastic Rhino and I am in need of those so that is what I am looking forward to. 
 

[Slave to Darkness]

Based on indicators I've read, lctb stuff, it sounds like maybe we'll get a new plastic Rhino and I am in need of those so that is what I am looking forward to. 

 

Id kill for a plastic Rhino, those, Predators, Land Raiders and Mk6 are all I want. Only problem is I want to add some Mk6 to my Legion of the Damned army and the new beakies will be taller than what I already have, I may just source bits from the current Firstborn range and keep the taller sculpts for a new army so everythings the same scale. Minor issue that Ill figure out eventually when I actually see them in the flesh next to a OG marine, I may be able to get around the scale by increasing the height of the bases on my current minis if the Mk6 is kinda between Firstborn and Primaris size wise. Regardless, these are interesting times and I cant wait too see what other goodies they bring us down the line. 

Edited April 23, 2022 by Slave to Darkness

[Warhead01]

I just sold off my 20 or so old plastic beakies and a few characters from that era. ... 

Looking at a few pictures and it looks like the MKVI are about the same size as the MK III and IV if that's helpful. still larger than the really old school plastics. Always wanted a full MK VI army, well I used too. I'd love some plastic rhinos to replace my collection of old modern rhinos. If I'm adding to my wish list then let me add more plastic CHOOOOOOOM! 

[SkimaskMohawk]

The new mk6 very much aren't the same size as the mk3 and 4. You need to add greenstuff to space the 3+4 to the mk6/csm proportions.

[The Scorpion]

Ironically enough, the thing I'm most exited about is the potential impact these new models could have in 40k.

 

I hate the Primaris aesthetic and thematic (or lack thereof) with all my guts. Perhaps a tide of vintage marines could reverse the tide of tacticool? Wishful thinking, but one can only dream.

[Slave to Darkness]

Ironically enough, the thing I'm most exited about is the potential impact these new models could have in 40k.

 

I hate the Primaris aesthetic and thematic (or lack thereof) with all my guts. Perhaps a tide of vintage marines could reverse the tide of tacticool? Wishful thinking, but one can only dream.

I have been wishing that since the first leaked picture of a Primaris marine, we can wish. 

[SkimaskMohawk]

No, because the design elements of the Primaris are much closer to the legions than tacticool in the first place. The rail, scope and servofibers are tiny details, ones that the blank power armour that most closely resembles mk4 overwhelms.

 

And the wave that is very tacticool, the Phobos, are far less likely to be count as'd than intercessors.

[Arkhanist]

I just sold off my 20 or so old plastic beakies and a few characters from that era. ... 

 

Looking at a few pictures and it looks like the MKVI are about the same size as the MK III and IV if that's helpful. still larger than the really old school plastics. Always wanted a full MK VI army, well I used too. I'd love some plastic rhinos to replace my collection of old modern rhinos. If I'm adding to my wish list then let me add more plastic CHOOOOOOOM! 

From what I can see, the mark VI is similar to the 'new' firstborn marine size, i.e. about that of the new chaos marines. Basically, longer shins and thighs, ending up between old classic and primaris height. Here's one composite I nabbed off reddit - note that most of the difference is the belt height.

 

 

 

And another quick one I just made from the spartan video - I adjusted where the Mark VI and Cataphractii are in the same shot to be level. Catapractii are basically the same height as primaris intercessors, assuming they haven't rescaled them for the new release!

 

 

 

Adding a mm of greenstuff to the MK III/MK IV waist, and under the feet (or creative basing) will definitely help to fit in a bit better in mixed units I think, or replace the legs with slightly longer ones, though it's not a vast difference (MK IV is already taller than really old 'squat' marines)

Edited April 23, 2022 by Arkhanist

[Warhead01]

Honestly I would say they are at least close enough in size even if a touch larger. Not horribly larger. at least not enough to get me to cry about it. 
 

[BitsHammer]

No, because the design elements of the Primaris are much closer to the legions than tacticool in the first place. The rail, scope and servofibers are tiny details, ones that the blank power armour that most closely resembles mk4 overwhelms.

 

And the wave that is very tacticool, the Phobos, are far less likely to be count as'd than intercessors.

Plus those are based on the scouts only imagined in power armour like the Legion scouts.

 

Speaking of the Cataphracii: their heads look to be around the same height as the MkVI, which works for me as their bulk is more in the shoulder pads.

Edited April 23, 2022 by Fulkes

[WARMASTER_]

Honestly for me it’s [hopefully] the Leviathan in plastic! It’s by far the best dread design

 

Also MKII in plastic YAY!