Dark Angels kits in HH

[nusphigor]

Hey all!

I suppose you guys get this kind of questions a lot but at the end of last year i purchased a mostly firstborn dark angels army that i kinda have kept in a box because i dislike the current rules of 40k.

So, since i stripped the paint of my 30k minis i was thinking of mixing them both and do a new legion for 2.0.

 

My question is: are the indomitus terminators and their loadouts too different from their earlier brethren?

 

A huge chunk of my army are those and i'd like to use them to accompany the lion in battle.

 

Thank you and i'll be looking forward to your response when you have the time :)

[Arkhanist]

In Heresy 1.0 Indomitus terminators were a valid option; them, cataphractii and tartaros were under one unit entry. In the leaks, cataphractii and tartaros are their own entries and there's no generic (indomitus) terminator option any more.

 

I think you should still be able to run indomitus though with any reasonable opponent, just 'count as' tartaros, which they were very similar to rules-wise anyway IIRC. The generic loadouts are a little different to 40k; no storm shields or assault cannons, and power weapons are default instead of fists, though those are a per-termi upgrade option, as well as lightning claw(s), chainfist & thunder hammer. Combi-bolters by default, and any terminator can upgrade to a combi-weapon or volkite, 1 in 5 can have flamer, reaper autocannon or plasma blaster instead. Have a look at tartaros box contents* to get a feel for what they can take, and there's the power axe set as well.

 

* The tartaros box has been 404'd off the GW website for now, presumably for repackaging.

 

Technically, indomitus was only available towards the end of the heresy, and was developed similarly to Mark VII Mark VI. Imperial Fists were most known for having it at the siege. But a late-heresy Dark Angels force could reasonably have some. The crux terminatus is post-heresy though, so you'd want to remove that/replace shoulder to be fluffy.

 

(sorry, said Mark VII when i meant mark VI)

Edited April 25, 2022 by Arkhanist

[Slips]

Indomitus was available pretty early on since the Gorgon-Pattern which was made by Ferrus himself, was based off of it.

[Arkhanist]

Fluff isn't entirely consistent on this, which figures given Tartaros and Cataphractii were added in later. Gorgon armour was a prototype supposedly based on altering indomitus (which it resembles) to be better, and Gorgon went into production shortly before the start of the Heresy. However, there's also fluff that Indomitus was developed during the heresy itself, to replace losses on both sides. Also, that Ultramarines pioneered the widespread use of Indomitus post-heresy (i.e. were the first to be major users), because they were unable to replace older designs with the loss of so many forgeworlds.

 

And finally, there's fluff that all 3 types (and others) were designed in parallel during the Crusade, but cataphractii and tartaros were deployed first due to their superior qualities. And given they were designed by Forgeworld for the Heresy, there's obvious parallels between the designs for cataphractii/mark 2&3 and tartaros/mark 4, which are supposedly pre-crusade and mid-crusade power armour designs respectively.

 

And there's that indomitus is the most common pattern for Chaos Space Marines; which implies it was common by the Scouring at the latest.

 

So the best way to square all that is probably that the prototype design for Indomitus existed pre-heresy (like mark VI) but was not widely chosen/was inferior to the other two; it came into mass production mid-to-late heresy to replace losses, being simpler to make (like Mark VI), and was notably seen on the Fists at the Siege, and became the most common type post-heresy, while the other two were more common earlier in the heresy. Plus it's not in the heresy 2.0 rules leaks, since forgeworld seem to want to emphasise cataphractii/tartaros as the heresy terminator armour, rather than the 40k indomitus pattern. But the Heresy galaxy is a big place, unreliable narrators abound, and there's enough wiggle room to pretty much do whatever fits your particular preference when it comes to terminator armour version, though the rules do distinguish tartaros from cataphractii mechanically, unlike normal power armour marks.

Edited April 25, 2022 by Arkhanist

[nusphigor]

Thank you guys!

I'll have to look for left handed combi bolters and tartaros shoulderpads then XD

Edited April 26, 2022 by nusphigor

[LameBeard]

Check out Sarabando’s terminators. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364904-web-of-the-spider-of-thraxia-imperial-fist-terminators/

 

There is another frater with a massive army of heresy-appropriate imperial fist indomidus terminators around here somewhere .. the name currently escapes me. Some beautiful studded pads courtesy of 3D printer I think. Of course fists get a shield option which dark angels might not?