What Traitor Legion would you like to do as Loyalists?

[Misterduch]

World eaters or Luna wolves.

I will be painting up salamanders and a small ally detachment of IF atm, but in a couple of years? who knows

[Gamiel]

On 7/4/2022 at 10:32 AM, Gamiel said:

Re. the Night Lords, one way to do it could be as simple as a smaller (relativly speaking) NL force secunded to a one of the Loyalist Legions where they have a "What is this brotherhood and friendship thing you talk about" epiphany and realise that they don't need to constantly infight, backstab and teardown each other and become more loyal to the people they have been secunded to then their own Legion. This could lead to them takin up some of the culture or symbols of the Legion they have been fighting beside. 

This could really be used to justify any Loyalist from Traitor Legions, and could lead to some fun convertions or paint jobs, like a NL force that have been fighting alongside the Um could all have a part of their armour (like the knee/upper part of their greave) painted Um blue with their "ultra" on, and the HQ:s/similar the power sword or combat blade from the Ultramarines Upgrade Pack, maybe have that the NL follow the codex regarding showing their battefield role, squad and company belonging.

Or if they were with the BA they could be kitted out with all the different BA bling from the Blood Angels Upgrade Pack and Blood Angels Primaris Upgrades kits, and have some BA transfers placed here and there on them (maybe they all have a blood drop on one of their greaves?). 

 

Using helmetless from the chapter the not-triator force was secunded to also works, showing that they have begun to groom themself more like their alies then their Legion's usual look.  

Edited July 6, 2022 by Gamiel

[Dont-Be-Haten]

I'm not gonna lie. Having an allied detachment of loyalist Night Lords next to my 30k raven guard would be an awesome sight...I may actually end up doing that tbh. Take away some of the over the top bling but keep them relatively concurrent with their progenitor legion.

[Gamiel]

14 minutes ago, Dont-Be-Haten said:

I'm not gonna lie. Having an allied detachment of loyalist Night Lords next to my 30k raven guard would be an awesome sight...I may actually end up doing that tbh. Take away some of the over the top bling but keep them relatively concurrent with their progenitor legion.

I'm not that informed re. the 30k Raven Guards' look. How would people do to mark out some Night Lords to show that they have been haning out with Raven Guards? 

 

Adding a jokaero as a token? A gold-bug or black cat as their uniting marking? A white area on their chest? Each carrying a cask of Amontillado? 

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by Gamiel

[Dont-Be-Haten]

I was just thinking of some Raven skeleton flair. I think there was a Nightlord somewhere that referenced Crows.

[Gamiel]

Just now, Dont-Be-Haten said:

I think there was a Nightlord somewhere that referenced Crows.

There was, don't remember where but there was. 

 

So raiding the Raven Guard Primaris Upgrade kit and Corvus Cabal box for bits then 

[Dont-Be-Haten]

16 minutes ago, Gamiel said:

There was, don't remember where but there was. 

 

So raiding the Raven Guard Primaris Upgrade kit and Corvus Cabal box for bits then 

It was Sevatarion. He was "The Prince of Crows"

[Aeternus]

There was also Alastor Rushal, a Raven Guard traitor who we saw in one story then never again :'( 

 

For loyalist NL fighting alongside raven guard, maybe something like a normal NL blue for most of the armour but then black pads, helm and arms? Maybe the backpack as well. Then a white helm for the sgt?

[Gamiel]

Any idés for how to justify the existence of loyalist Word Bearers? They did aftar all do a rather through job killing them of even before Istvaan to my understanding.  

 

Beside the classic "not been in contact with the wider Imperium for a long time becouse they were very far, far away/Warp shenanigans and now find that their Legion have turned traitor", I mean. 

[Dont-Be-Haten]

26 minutes ago, Gamiel said:

Any idés for how to justify the existence of loyalist Word Bearers? They did aftar all do a rather through job killing them of even before Istvaan to my understanding.  

 

Beside the classic "not been in contact with the wider Imperium for a long time becouse they were very far, far away/Warp shenanigans and now find that their Legion have turned traitor", I mean. 

A small frigate of about 50-60 astartes were shot down by their own ships, the ship crippled, thought to be destroyed along with all passengers swears revenge on their once brothers within the word bearers legion, renaming themselves the Imperial Heralds as an oath to destroy all those damned by the ruinous powers? Wouldn't be super hard.

[SickSix]

I wouldn't mind doing a 'Shattered Legion' force of sorts from loyalists of the World Eaters, Iron Warriors, and Death Guard. I find their stories the most interesting. 

I have no real interest at all in the SoH and EC. The NL were never really good boys, and the AL are all still loyal . 

I want to do TS but pre-BoP. (So not technically 'loyalist traitors' )

[WrathOfTheLion]

7 hours ago, Gamiel said:

Any idés for how to justify the existence of loyalist Word Bearers? They did aftar all do a rather through job killing them of even before Istvaan to my understanding.  

 

Beside the classic "not been in contact with the wider Imperium for a long time becouse they were very far, far away/Warp shenanigans and now find that their Legion have turned traitor", I mean. 

Maybe they were off deployed in an expeditionary fleet and come in contact with Keeler's elements and become fervent zealots for the Emperor.

Edited August 25, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion

[Elzender]

14 hours ago, Gamiel said:

Any idés for how to justify the existence of loyalist Word Bearers? They did aftar all do a rather through job killing them of even before Istvaan to my understanding.  

 

Beside the classic "not been in contact with the wider Imperium for a long time becouse they were very far, far away/Warp shenanigans and now find that their Legion have turned traitor", I mean. 

I plan on doing a smal detachment of Imperial Heralds, possibly as part of a Shattered Legions force.  My idea for them is that they never liked Lorgar and viceversa, even when he was still loyal, so they were sent to remote expeditions to punish them and keep them away from the main legion and glory/promotions. 

When "reinforcements" come seemingly out of nowhere after decades of neglect, the commander of the force goes full paranoid and manages to get the jump on the executors before they can carry the purge. They then decide to go on a merry-go-murder of their old brethren, using the knowledge they loot from their corrupted brethren to find better ways of fighting warp denizens.

[Fire Golem]

On 7/6/2022 at 11:16 PM, Aeternus said:

There was also Alastor Rushal, a Raven Guard traitor who we saw in one story then never again :'( 

 

For loyalist NL fighting alongside raven guard, maybe something like a normal NL blue for most of the armour but then black pads, helm and arms? Maybe the backpack as well. Then a white helm for the sgt?

Yeah I'd have liked to have seen more of Rushal. 

[Gamiel]

Just wondering, is there any thread about discussing how to make traitor loyalists? Regarding lore and how to make them look different from their loyalist brethren, I mean.

[LameBeard]

Sure are. See where this thread goes:

Edited August 25, 2022 by LameBeard
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[Misterduch]

Probably World eaters or Sons of horus ( Luna Wolves scheme )

[Gamiel]

On 8/25/2022 at 9:54 PM, Misterduch said:

Probably World eaters or Sons of horus ( Luna Wolves scheme )

Could see a use for the SW wolf helmets here, as to show that they are Lunar Wolves and nothing else. Either as something they have been doing for a long time (pride in their original name and all that), or as a way for them to show where they stand by having different helmets compared to their traitor brethren.

[lost_angel]

On 8/25/2022 at 3:37 PM, Gamiel said:

Just wondering, is there any thread about discussing how to make traitor loyalists? Regarding lore and how to make them look different from their loyalist brethren, I mean.

Why not start one? Sounds like a good basis for discussion. 

[Gamiel]

3 hours ago, lost_angel said:

Why not start one? Sounds like a good basis for discussion. 

Have done it. Just wanted to know before I created it if there was already one 

 

[Calgar 2.0]

My Blackshield force is mostly composed of former Iron Warriors following a Terran Veteran, along with some Astartes from some of the other traitor legions, such as a few Night Lords, as well as a Terran Word Bearer vet.

[Laughingman]

On 8/24/2022 at 10:12 AM, Gamiel said:

Any idés for how to justify the existence of loyalist Word Bearers? They did aftar all do a rather through job killing them of even before Istvaan to my understanding.  

 

Beside the classic "not been in contact with the wider Imperium for a long time becouse they were very far, far away/Warp shenanigans and now find that their Legion have turned traitor", I mean. 

In a legion of tens of thousands its easy to image an original Terran XVII legion herald who didn't agree with Emperor Worship and was effectively kicked out of the legion well before Monarchia.

[Dont-Be-Haten]

Been thinking hard on what legion I would like to do from the Liber: Hereticus book, and I've got to say rocking Saul Tarvitz with loyalist EC sounds pretty awesome.

I keep going back to World Eaters though. That color scheme is dope.