Medjugorje Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) Had my first game after the changes to AoC. Against Admech and lot of -1 and -2 AP. Its crazy how strong this buff is for us. Fist time my Sword Brethren survived a game. My Incursors survived many shots - normlly against Admech they were gone after one unit targets them. I would like to hear your thoughts - especially the games you lost and why. Edited May 3, 2022 by Medjugorje N1SB 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluejayJunior Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I've only played two games with it, but it really seemed to make a difference. The last game was against a usual Tau opponent. We'd played like 3 crusade game prior and they'd all been bloody, knockdown-dragout fights with only a handful of models remaining between both of us at the end. This last game, he barely killed anything and I ripped through him. I played well by keeping my units in cover, so against AP -1 and -2, they're stilling getting a 2+ or 3+ save. And against heavier stuff, I was lucky enough to be able to make a lot 5+/6+ saves. I felt a little bad, since we've had a lot of fun, close games and this one was a little one-sided. But it was nice to feel like marines can actually survive. Jacques Corbin 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Don’t ever feel bad about beating Tau. :D Iron Father Ferrum, Jacques Corbin, Prot and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallas Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I've only played two games with it, but it really seemed to make a difference. The last game was against a usual Tau opponent. We'd played like 3 crusade game prior and they'd all been bloody, knockdown-dragout fights with only a handful of models remaining between both of us at the end. This last game, he barely killed anything and I ripped through him. I played well by keeping my units in cover, so against AP -1 and -2, they're stilling getting a 2+ or 3+ save. And against heavier stuff, I was lucky enough to be able to make a lot 5+/6+ saves. I felt a little bad, since we've had a lot of fun, close games and this one was a little one-sided. But it was nice to feel like marines can actually survive. Assuming your friend ran/runs Mont'ka a fair amount, the nerf to that would also be a factor - as that would functionally be -2 AP which is pretty backbreaking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 I've only played two games with it, but it really seemed to make a difference. The last game was against a usual Tau opponent. We'd played like 3 crusade game prior and they'd all been bloody, knockdown-dragout fights with only a handful of models remaining between both of us at the end. This last game, he barely killed anything and I ripped through him. I played well by keeping my units in cover, so against AP -1 and -2, they're stilling getting a 2+ or 3+ save. And against heavier stuff, I was lucky enough to be able to make a lot 5+/6+ saves. I felt a little bad, since we've had a lot of fun, close games and this one was a little one-sided. But it was nice to feel like marines can actually survive. which chapter do you played? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluejayJunior Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 He runs a fun, not mean, list. Kroot, krootox, shaper, melee commander. Nothing too brutal. So he's a fun opponent. The Mont'ka nerf was a big factor as well. I play Blood Angels. But use successor traits (Born Heroes and Bolter Fusilade). BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Kroot are going to have a hard time cracking those shells. For myself, have not had a game yet with AoC. Got one coming up soon with another Marine player. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I’m currently playing BT and have switched over to the in assault doctrine when in engagement vow over 5++ and mini Transhuman. N1SB and Prot 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mittens Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Marines in cover are very tough. Helix Gauntlet is very good. Eliminators in cover are as tough as termies to remove, and only 25pts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 I’m currently playing BT and have switched over to the in assault doctrine when in engagement vow over 5++ and mini Transhuman. i tried it too. Not so sure about to play it competitve but if you have an really aggressive list which has no problems to fall back then the higher AP can help especially against other Marines. BLACK BLŒ FLY and N1SB 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Corbin Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Just curious, anybody else feeling like Thinder Hammers are no longer worth it? Just got another box of Assault Intercessors, and I have enough Sergeants with Astartes Chainswords and Power Swords, thinking Power Fists are now Better than Thunder Hammers vs anything else in Power Armor. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I’m currently playing BT and have switched over to the in assault doctrine when in engagement vow over 5++ and mini Transhuman. i tried it too. Not so sure about to play it competitve but if you have an really aggressive list which has no problems to fall back then the higher AP can help especially against other Marines. The extra AP does help (especially for thunderhammers) plus sometimes a unit can benefit from two doctrines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) Just curious, anybody else feeling like Thinder Hammers are no longer worth it? Just got another box of Assault Intercessors, and I have enough Sergeants with Astartes Chainswords and Power Swords, thinking Power Fists are now Better than Thunder Hammers vs anything else in Power Armor. Depends what else you have in the list. For an army that leans heavily on Terminators you want things like Thunder Hammers that give you more punch. If the Terminators are one part of a mixed army then Lightning Claws and/or Power Fists are going to be solid when you have other units that can turn up the damage. In a Primaris army, TH seems like a waste now because there are so many other sources of damage. For an example of Terminator-heavy, someone won a GT this weekend with a Deathwing list composed of 20 Deathwing Knights and 20 Lightning Claw/Combi Bolter Relic Terminators. The Knights took care of the punch, with Relic Termies for backup, and the Relic Termies were able to survive thanks to Armor of Contempt. Edited May 3, 2022 by phandaal N1SB 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 I’m currently playing BT and have switched over to the in assault doctrine when in engagement vow over 5++ and mini Transhuman. i tried it too. Not so sure about to play it competitve but if you have an really aggressive list which has no problems to fall back then the higher AP can help especially against other Marines. The extra AP does help (especially for thunderhammers) plus sometimes a unit can benefit from two doctrines. the only problem I have is that BT are not fast enough for melee only. But if you cannot fallback then its very critical to have a rule which can be so bad for your shooting units. You need a lot of counter units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 The smaller dimensions of the table really help accelerate reaching combat plus we have devout push. Every vow has a drawback so best to learn to play around it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 no fallback is very harsh and some armies like Sisters of Battle cant be defended if you want to play aggressive. With eradicators for example. With advance and charge + automatic charges and miracle dice. Before AoC your Eradicators could hit them really hard too but now they can survive in melee against normal units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5822503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewman Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 I played one game with AoC using Dark Angels into Eldar, and even with AoC I was still hitting my invuln saves quite a bit. On the other side of the coin I also played 'nids into Deathwatch and AoC really blunted my shooting. Even with the bonus AP from Chronos I still had a hard time getting even basic Marines down to a 3+ save, most of the damage I managed to make stick was from Mortal Wound generation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5823319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_Master_Alpharius Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 I've only played one game and it was against marines. It was a bit of a slog, but an ok matchup. I would be really keen to see how my boys go against some xenos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5823358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Augustus Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 My ten man Iron Hands Tactical Terminator Squad with psysteel armour on them took 3 rounds of fire from around 1000pts of fairly shooty necrons (the other thousand were out of range or flayed ones). Had some Tactical squads in cover tank a ton of shots too and my dice were pretty cold. Overall I'd say AoC definitely makes marines feel tougher. Jaipii and Iron Father Ferrum 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5823868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War of the Eagle Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Ran a game vs Necrons and one vs Admech. Was casual games vs newer players but i lost maybe one unit per games. Huged cover and made a boat load of saves. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5824235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertbl Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 I've got about 5 games played with Sisters. AoC is a huge game changer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5824512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 I played my Alpha Legion into Ultramarines last night. We both felt the drop in lethality; I had Havocs and Berzerkers weathering Intercessor & OGC fire fairly well, and even made a critical save on a 6 for an HQ against an Eradicator melta shot. It made my autocannons nearly useless -- they killed one Primaris all game -- and my lascannons were a little pillowfisted against a Redemptor. Overall, the durability increase was definitely noticeable. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5824712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaipii Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Raven Guard really like the AoC! My captain with 2+ Relic Armour survived a full round of shooting from an Onslaught Redemptor Dreadnought (w. hit rerolls) Turn 1 unscathed. Rolling hot with those 2+ armour saves! My 3+ backfield units enjoyed it too :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5824756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted May 7, 2022 Author Share Posted May 7, 2022 and you can snipe on characters again... I wonder why people dont play them as much. I thought RG would be one of the big winners. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5824809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertbl Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 and you can snipe on characters again... I wonder why people dont play them as much. I thought RG would be one of the big winners. I think they are too between the CT, AoC, Bodyguard and indirect changes. I feel like they could really start to smash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374043-your-experience-with-armour-of-contempt/#findComment-5824969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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