What's your headcanon?

[Slave to Darkness]

More of my Headcannon - there were not 1000s of Primaris on ice. ALL Primaris are the result of existing veteran Space Matines crossing the Rubicon.

That I could get behind actually. 

[chapter master 454]

That the Imperial Guard should be using Laser weapons for more than just basic trooper weapons. Logic: Each weapons power pack from below can be used on the higher level ones via adapters (or just strapping enough together to do). To me, logistically it makes no sense that they don't use Multi-Lasers are their standard "Anti-infantry" gun instead of the Heavy Bolter. Bolts aren't meant to be something that common as far as I am aware.

[Evil Eye]

Another headcanon of mine is that Sororitas Dreadnoughts exist, but are astonishingly rare and seldom see combat due to their irreplaceable nature. Totally not just because I'm working on one...

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

 

 

 A legendary hero re-emerging after being missing for so long 

Sounds like Guilliman and any loyal Primarchs they introduce though. Making Cawl be Land himself also just shrinks the world even more and is a poor cop out. That idea went around (even here) when the whole thing happened because 'how can a random tech do all this without being noticed' and a LOT of people straight up said that was worse than having a nobody do it.

 

 

And as The Great Work revealed, Cawl's not exactly a nobody... he's everybody.

 

Okay, THAT might be hyperbole, but he's at least several somebodies.

[jarms48]

I had to think about it for a moment. I realised I've headcanoned a few things:

• Plasma guns and Autocannons are rare for the Guard, like they were mentioned to be in 3rd. Nothing said they weren't since then, so regiments than bring a lot of both are either blessed or lucky.
• The Ordo Astartes and the Ordo Hereticus don't get along. The former are always telling the latter to not mess with their jurisdiction, and the latter say the former shouldn't exist because Heresy is their jurisdiction.
• Blood Ravens don't have any relics belonging to other Chapters. None gifted or stolen. That was a game mechanic and nothing more.
• Battle Barge is both a class and model. You can have a Mars-pattern Battle Barge, but also have a vessel designated a Battle Barge because of its role.
• lasguns/cannons have no recoil. Neither do plasma weapons.

If I think of any more I will add them.

 

I don't why an autocannon would be rare. It should be incredibly common. It's basically just a 20-25mm, well, auto cannon. We have these today. Had them for decades.

 

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Not necessarily headcanon but I've spit-balled figures for the Imperial Navies size. Using figures given in the old BFG rulebook. It says there's roughly 50 - 75 ships in a sector fleet, so 62.5 on average. Then to determine the approximate amount of sectors there are in the Imperium we can use the Gothic Sector as an estimate, it has 75 inhabited Imperial worlds. Then we know the Imperium control roughly 1 million worlds. Divide those 2 numbers and we get 13,333.33 sectors across the Imperium. Times this amount by the average number of ships we got earlier. Then that comes to 833,333.33 Imperial Navy combat vessels. 

 

That's just the sector fleets. There is also segmentum and reserve fleets, but I doubt that would push that number over 1 million vessels. 

 

If you then consider things like Ad-Mech, Space Marines, Rogue Traders, Inquisition, etc. You might be able to double that number to around 2 million warp capable combat vessels across the Imperium.

[TheVoidDragon]

 

 

 A legendary hero re-emerging after being missing for so long 

Sounds like Guilliman and any loyal Primarchs they introduce though. Making Cawl be Land himself also just shrinks the world even more and is a poor cop out. That idea went around (even here) when the whole thing happened because 'how can a random tech do all this without being noticed' and a LOT of people straight up said that was worse than having a nobody do it.

 

Land is a legendary figure to the Mechanicus and has a cult following, he has a reputation for anti-grav tech and finding STCs, and he's someone who was already part of the lore for a long time both to us and in-universe, so both the changes and new tech would feel a bit more believable. To me that fits far better with the idea of a controversal Mechanicus hero than the hamfisted idea to just have some random ultimate techpriest that didn't exist before suddenly appear and be able pull all these new inventions and thousands of new better space Marines out of nowhere without even the slightest foreshadowing about it and just stuff it all into the setting with little to no thought.

 

As for the "any loyal primarchs they introduce"...i don't think they should, at all. I don't want to see more come back and have the setting turned into Horus Heresy 2.0 where everything significant has to revolve around a set of Space Marine demi-gods and they become the focal point for events and the Imperium. That shrinks the setting significantly.

Edited May 24, 2022 by TheVoidDragon

[Slave to Darkness]

 

 

 

 A legendary hero re-emerging after being missing for so long 

Sounds like Guilliman and any loyal Primarchs they introduce though. Making Cawl be Land himself also just shrinks the world even more and is a poor cop out. That idea went around (even here) when the whole thing happened because 'how can a random tech do all this without being noticed' and a LOT of people straight up said that was worse than having a nobody do it.

 

Land is a legendary figure to the Mechanicus and has a cult following, he has a reputation for anti-grav tech and finding STCs, and he's someone who was already part of the lore for a long time both to us and in-universe, so both the changes and new tech would feel a bit more believable. To me that fits far better with the idea of a controversal Mechanicus hero than the hamfisted idea to just have some random ultimate techpriest that didn't exist before suddenly appear and be able pull all these new inventions and thousands of new better space Marines out of nowhere without even the slightest foreshadowing about it and just stuff it all into the setting with little to no thought.

 

As for the "any loyal primarchs they introduce"...i don't think they should, at all. I don't want to see more come back and have the setting turned into Horus Heresy 2.0 where everything significant has to revolve around a set of Space Marine demi-gods and they become the focal point for events and the Imperium. That shrinks the setting significantly.

 

But having Land do all the awesome is just as bad, guess its difficult when Ad Mech are not exactly backed up with years of lore and named characters, either its one guy we know doing everything or someone unknown just pulled outta GW behind doing something awesome. Tbh I think it would have been better if they introduced Cawl before the rise of G'man, drop a few hints about him working on something way before the Primaris reveal (kinda like the Eldar birthing a new god back in 4th edition) then people wouldnt have been so bothered. I think the main thing that bothers me is the fact a mechanic becomes a doctor, if it was a group effort of various people working towards the same goal would have been more believable than one random dude did all this on his own. 

 

Totally agree on the loyal Primarchs an HH2.0, especially as Primaris seem to be organised like the legions of old (units all equipped with the same gar etc), I know GW will make pure dollar by the fans but it makes the setting a bit less cool IMHO, especially if they bring back Sanguinius, just because they can doesnt mean they should. 

[phandaal]

 

Tbh I think it would have been better if they introduced Cawl before the rise of G'man, drop a few hints about him working on something way before the Primaris reveal (kinda like the Eldar birthing a new god back in 4th edition) then people wouldnt have been so bothered. I think the main thing that bothers me is the fact a mechanic becomes a doctor, if it was a group effort of various people working towards the same goal would have been more believable than one random dude did all this on his own.

 

Would have been much better if it was foreshadowed long before it happened. For example, I can flip back to my Angels of Death codex and see that Lion El'Johnson is being kept within The Rock by the Watchers in the Dark. If GW brings him back, at least it is well established within the setting. (Hoping that does not happen, but GW gonna GW.)

 

Unfortunately, someone wanted to shortcut all of that with Cawl. They wanted the legitimacy of being a longstanding part of the setting without actually being a longstanding part of the setting. So we got a whopper of a story telling us that actually this guy was working behind the scenes since the very start of the setting.

 

Land would not have been much better though. He is part of the setting and known to find STC patterns, but there was never any indication that he was building his own personal Super Space Marine founding complete with their own weapons, materiel, ships, etc.

[Jings]

Oh I got a good one. 

 

Y'know the Dark Angels vs Fallen thing, and how it's kinda stupid? 

 

My headcanon is that the Fallen are essentially a 10th Traitor Legion, and the DA (and their successors) have been singlehandedely dealing with their incursions over the past 10K and that's why it's a big deal. Essentially a full-blown shadow war that the Unforgiven go very much out their way to keep under wraps, despite the fact that it's often full-scale warfare (rather than the minor incursions we see here and there in the fluff). 

 

Any Imperial survivors that fight alongside the Unforgiven? They disappear. To begin with, to protect honour, but as the scale of these incursions increased and the time to come clean came and went, now it's out of necessity. 

[Captain Idaho]

If given the choice, even as an Ultramarines player I wouldnt have brought back Guilliman. However, being the solo loyal brother, lonely and isolated amongst a crazed and stagnant Imperium, it tells a solid narrative too so isn't terrible.

 

Bringing back more dead and lost Primarchs feels a bit of a hack job though. Where were they all and why all of them returning in the same timeline?

 

Regardless of that, it does cheapen the loss of any in the Horus Heresy. If death doesn't mean anything, there's no real conflict in that regard.

[Slave to Darkness]

If given the choice, even as an Ultramarines player I wouldnt have brought back Guilliman. However, being the solo loyal brother, lonely and isolated amongst a crazed and stagnant Imperium, it tells a solid narrative too so isn't terrible.

 

Bringing back more dead and lost Primarchs feels a bit of a hack job though. Where were they all and why all of them returning in the same timeline?

 

Regardless of that, it does cheapen the loss of any in the Horus Heresy. If death doesn't mean anything, there's no real conflict in that regard.

I wouldnt even have an issue with G'man coming back if he wasnt everywhere at onece hopping across the rift with no risk pulling a William Wallace consuming traitors with fireballs from his eyes and lightning from his arse. GW made a big deal about the galaxy being split and the imperium is on the back foot with chaos being literally everywhere now but there is no actual threat because of a primarch and all these unknown marines that were actually there all along. They hyped it as some major thing but its just the same as before the fall of cadia, just the marines are bigger and the eye of terror isnt just a localised thing any more. 

 

Russ is best Primarch btw... ;) at least he said he would return when poop hits the fan, and the rift seems like a good enough reason to return, more than GW's poster boy chapter leader. 

[Felix Antipodes]

To keep in line with the OP - My head-canon wrt returning Primarchs is:

 

Guilliman - His return was poorly done but I can live with it.  Must agree with Brother Slave to Darkness though about him being everywhere.  He is the ‘great organiser’, so let him delegate already.

The Lion - Should have been the one resurrected first.  Already foreshadowed in lore and wouldn’t have the same level as of. Reverence within the Imperium as Guilliman (the head of the HLoT isn’t known as the Lord Lion after all).  When he gets resurrected (and he will, its already been foreshadowed) I envisage him popping up in Nihilus, setting up a Lion vs Guilliman two Empires scenario.

Corax - He’s been set up in prose as a (non) daemon prince hunting his traitor brothers in the Eye of Terror.  Fine.  Leave him there.  Maybe one of his brothers got the upper hand and he’s gone too.

Vulkan - He’s a Perpetual so is around somewhere.  For me he’s on the fringes of the galaxy out of sight and mind of the Imperium.  Or still on his hippy trip ‘discovering myself’ as last seen in the Great Beast series.  Another candidate for the King of Nihilus title or can be ignored.

All the other Loyalist Primarchs are dead, yes, even my favourite Dorn.  They have foreshadowed the Khan possibly being a captive of the Drukari (sp) but I don’t think they can return any more than two or three and make it viable.   Also, the clues are vague enough that it could be any of the lost Primarchs being held by the Drukari or held captive by the Necrontyr (as hinted in another story).

On the Chaos side you have a daemon prince for each of the four gods with a couple for Chaos united.  Too many for my liking, but al least they can have a couple serving time in the Warp after banishment to thin them out.  If they haven’t been shown as active in the current lore then they are dead too.  Looking at you Alpharius.

Just my head-canon of course, so feel free to fight for your favourite demigod. 

[jarms48]

That the Imperial Guard should be using Laser weapons for more than just basic trooper weapons. Logic: Each weapons power pack from below can be used on the higher level ones via adapters (or just strapping enough together to do). To me, logistically it makes no sense that they don't use Multi-Lasers are their standard "Anti-infantry" gun instead of the Heavy Bolter. Bolts aren't meant to be something that common as far as I am aware.

 

Completely agree with this. Still baffles me there's no multi-laser heavy weapon teams or vehicle upgrades. 

[Ulfast]

I think GW should bring back another loyalist primarch but something no one is think it is! I´m thinking a rebirth of Ferrus Manus with lot of robotic on him.

 

Or even better, a loyalist clon of Fulgrim! But he should be a true loyalist but everyone is skeptic. That would be so fun. It also have connection to the lore. Imagine what an awsome model they could do.

[BloodyB]

In the current Space Marine codex, under the Mentors Chapter, it says that there are 'some - highly unreliable and apocryphal - fragmentary records suggest that the Chapter has at times fielded warriors of unusual size, strength and fortitude.'

 

In my Headcanon, I take this to imply that the Mentors were the first to field Primaris, as a sort of field test. Given that the Wiki also says they have close ties to the mechanicus, and that they often test new equipment, it doesn't feel like a stretch.

 

But while I have your attention, let me tell you my theory about just how OP the Imperium and Dark Eldar are: they have better tech than the Necrons.

 

The Necrons lost all, or at least most of, their souls during the transference. The Eldar can maintain consciousness with just the soul, which is why fear Slaanesh so much, the Orks have weird Orky souls, Nids and T'au have tiny barely there souls. The DEldar and Humanity can both clone to make entirely new souls. Arguably, the Imperium can make machines with a soul, since Machine Spirits might actually be souls. This might well explain just why Marines, Sororitas and Admech can resist the Necorn 'stilling' as all three groups incorporate technology and/or additional organic matter into their bodies willingly, possibly making their souls 'bigger', for lack of a better word.

[Rik Lightstar]

In the current Space Marine codex, under the Mentors Chapter, it says that there are 'some - highly unreliable and apocryphal - fragmentary records suggest that the Chapter has at times fielded warriors of unusual size, strength and fortitude.'

 

In my Headcanon, I take this to imply that the Mentors were the first to field Primaris, as a sort of field test. Given that the Wiki also says they have close ties to the mechanicus, and that they often test new equipment, it doesn't feel like a stretch.

 

But while I have your attention, let me tell you my theory about just how OP the Imperium and Dark Eldar are: they have better tech than the Necrons.

 

The Necrons lost all, or at least most of, their souls during the transference. The Eldar can maintain consciousness with just the soul, which is why fear Slaanesh so much, the Orks have weird Orky souls, Nids and T'au have tiny barely there souls. The DEldar and Humanity can both clone to make entirely new souls. Arguably, the Imperium can make machines with a soul, since Machine Spirits might actually be souls. This might well explain just why Marines, Sororitas and Admech can resist the Necorn 'stilling' as all three groups incorporate technology and/or additional organic matter into their bodies willingly, possibly making their souls 'bigger', for lack of a better word.

 

 

The Mentors have indeed been the Chapter of Field Testing for a LONG time, possibly even in the Rogue Trader stuff.

 

I'm sure there are also mentions of The Minotaurs having a tendency to being bigger and stronger than usual even for Marines, along with the references to them being the Chapter that the High Lords of Terra send out after renegade Chapters along with their "Unknown Lineage".

 

There have been snippets about others of the "Cursed Founding Chapters" for ages as well, all of these could well be seen as Primaris Prototyping.

 

Rik

[Slave to Darkness]

 

In the current Space Marine codex, under the Mentors Chapter, it says that there are 'some - highly unreliable and apocryphal - fragmentary records suggest that the Chapter has at times fielded warriors of unusual size, strength and fortitude.'

 

In my Headcanon, I take this to imply that the Mentors were the first to field Primaris, as a sort of field test. Given that the Wiki also says they have close ties to the mechanicus, and that they often test new equipment, it doesn't feel like a stretch.

 

But while I have your attention, let me tell you my theory about just how OP the Imperium and Dark Eldar are: they have better tech than the Necrons.

 

The Necrons lost all, or at least most of, their souls during the transference. The Eldar can maintain consciousness with just the soul, which is why fear Slaanesh so much, the Orks have weird Orky souls, Nids and T'au have tiny barely there souls. The DEldar and Humanity can both clone to make entirely new souls. Arguably, the Imperium can make machines with a soul, since Machine Spirits might actually be souls. This might well explain just why Marines, Sororitas and Admech can resist the Necorn 'stilling' as all three groups incorporate technology and/or additional organic matter into their bodies willingly, possibly making their souls 'bigger', for lack of a better word.

 

 

The Mentors have indeed been the Chapter of Field Testing for a LONG time, possibly even in the Rogue Trader stuff.

 

 

Yep, they had a targeting matrix that was pretty cool, if you wanted to drop a particularly tanky target you declare your shot (eg sgt steve is popping off a shot at the Avatar) and you get +1 strength for every additional boltgun shot from his squad that can draw line of sight to the same target. 

 

I got the pdf somewhere if anyones interested. 

[Rik Lightstar]

 

Yep, they had a targeting matrix that was pretty cool, if you wanted to drop a particularly tanky target you declare your shot (eg sgt steve is popping off a shot at the Avatar) and you get +1 strength for every additional boltgun shot from his squad that can draw line of sight to the same target. 

 

 

I got the pdf somewhere if anyones interested. 

 

 

I was pretty sure I could remember something from one of the Rogue Trader Supplements for them, but Im getting old and sometimes wonder if my memory is entirely accurate.

 

Pepperidge Farm remembers 

 

Rik

[Slave to Darkness]

 

 

Yep, they had a targeting matrix that was pretty cool, if you wanted to drop a particularly tanky target you declare your shot (eg sgt steve is popping off a shot at the Avatar) and you get +1 strength for every additional boltgun shot from his squad that can draw line of sight to the same target. 

 

 

I got the pdf somewhere if anyones interested. 

 

 

I was pretty sure I could remember something from one of the Rogue Trader Supplements for them, but Im getting old and sometimes wonder if my memory is entirely accurate.

 

Pepperidge Farm remembers 

 

Rik

 

Im surprised I can remember my own name, I have led a very rock and roll lifestyle that would put young Robert Downy Jr to shame... Not as bad as Ozzy though, at least I know how to work the tv. :Lol:

[Gamiel]

It's mentioned in Wolfblade and in The Regent’s Shadow that Terra don't like Space Marines and there are no marines on Terra (with a few exeptions, like the Wolfblades). My headcanon is that this is a lie, there are lots of marines on Terra. Beside the Wolfblades do many other Navigator houses have their own Astartes forces, there are alos those Chapters that recruite from Terra (like the Imperial Fist), space marines on pilgrimages to Terra or a place on it (like the original fortress-base of their founding Legion), inquistorial henchmarines, and so on. All in all there is at least a Chapter worth of marines (from many different chapters) spread out over Terra and it's near space. Most of them don't keep any kind of contact with each other.

 

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Usually the High Lords or the =][= don't care one bit about Chapters creating their own small empires, as long as they do everything that a chapter is supposed to do (give their gene tithe, answear any call of help from any conflict large/important enought, show respect toward inquistors, and such).If the chapter don't do those things then empire building becomes just another reason for cencuring the chapter.

 

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Becouse of the blow to moral that the knowledge that one of the Emperor's own host of angels would turn their back on him is seen to be, so are most of those turns keep secret and only allowed to be kept around in inquisitorial knowledge banks. The exception for this are those chapters whose turn from the Emperor's light was to open to keep quite (like the Astral Claws). This has the effect that many renegade/CSM chapters are listed (under their old name if they changed it) as among loyalist chapters now lost (or unheard from for ages). This in turn have made it so that at least some of the chapters from the Ultima founding have been given the honour of carrying the names and (belived) colours of lost chapters carry those of chapter the =][= (and only them*) know turned their back to the Imperium. 

* with the exeption of some chapters that helped out with the deed of cencure and kept the knowledge.

[Kastor Krieg]

My accepted headcanon is that Ferrus Manus's soul was saved from dissolution in the Warp by the Emperor by the exact same manner the Emperor is still "technically dead, technically alive". The daemonette quote about having seen Ferrus' head "still screaming" and how "Emperor screams on the Golden Throne" is one. The other is the Master of Mankind scene on the other side of the gate, with Manus being summoned by Emps as a Ghost Rider with his host of Legion of the Damned.

Thus, "only in death does duty end" is a half-truth. Space Marines have enough of the Primarch warp-spark in their geneseed to be able to be "caught" by the Emperor before dissolution, as well, joining the eternal ranks of the Legion of the Damned.

Death never comes, duty never ends. There is only war.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Reclusiarch Krieg

[Boldthreat]

Oh man. Now this is a discussion. Here is my headcanon:

 

Rogal Dorn is alive. And he’s the father of mankind worshiping the Emperor, not Lorgar. The Dorn of the Great Crusade dies with the Emperor. He is consumed by rage and anger and almost brings the Imperium to another civil war. The only thing that stops him is a religious experience he has in the Pain Glove. Dorn is Paul. He’s also the last Primarch alive prior to Vulkan being rediscovered in the War of the Beast. Dorn starts to get deified as he becomes the last son of the Emperor. He fakes his death because only the God Emperor is worthy of worship. and has been directing things in the Shadows ever since. If he comes out of hiding, it’s because his status quo is being challenged by Guillimans nonsense of hope and knowledge as opposed to blind faith and fear.

 

The Imperial Fists and the Ultramarines absorbed the lost legions. Other legions may have as well, but these two specifically for sure. I believe the Soul Drinkers and the White Templars are related to the lost legions. I would bet money that the Doom Eagles and Doom Warriors are as well. I am also convinced that Sigismund is a son of a lost Primarch. I would further say that the Temple of Oaths, the Templars, and the IF legion painting their armor black in mourning find its origins in the Lost Legion debacle. Even if none of them know it. Barbaric and assault oriented sons of Dorn are like Executioners. The Templar style did not come from the VII legion on Terra or from Inwit (a world that produced better space vikings than Fenris). The Templar/Knightly aspect came from a Lost Legion.

 

Space Marine Chapters are not portrayed accurately in the novels and codexes. These child soldiers would be completely and fundamentally immersed in their chapter cult. There would not be any room for diversity of thought or character. Every Ultramarine would be a Marneus Calgar or a Cato Sicarius. The only thing that would separate one who reaches that level would be happenstance.

 

Looking at the daily rites of the Space Marines… there would not even be enough time for heresy. Marines would be fighting and dying or training to fight and die. Every battle aftermath would see a chapter reshuffle. Because every battle would probably involve the entire Chapter (given their 1000 man limit). With newer initiates coming online and the reserve companies plugging holes. In fact, an Astartes who didn’t promote within a single battle or two would probably be given the Emperors peace and his rare geneseed given to a new candidate who could move faster in the organization. It would be a brutal death cult. Even the Ultramarines.

 

Chapters would be constantly recruiting. Not this once a generation crap. They would have to to keep up with the frequency of deployment and losses. Surviving to even get into the first company would be such a feat of accomplishment that you would earn the title veteran just walking into the door. And we are not talking hundreds of years. We are talking 10 wars or battlefields in a relatively short amount of time. But the higher you go and survive the better your life expectancy gets with things like Terminator Armor and more relic equipment.

 

Chapter corruption would never be a single marine or company. It would have to happen to the entire chapter or not at all. Any slight hint of a problem would be dealt with swiftly and brutally. So the corruption would have to be slow very small and something done over time across generations or not at all. Basically every Battle and Casualties would be just like your last game of Epic Armageddon. The Space Marine Chapter just has the capability to thrive in that tempo. The Chapter shows up to a war zone… and drops right on top of the worst location that has to die yesterday: and then they move on, they do this over and over constantly until the threat is to a level that the Guard and Navy can finish it without them. On to the next war. Rinse and repeat.

 

A chapter is not a Legion. It’s a specific thing designed to operate as a 1000 man swat team. Splitting the Chapter into various war zones would be suicidal and not the norm. Not when you only have 1000 against millions. And chapter serfs or servitors would be flying fighters and driving tanks. Space Marines are in power armor and it took so much in resources and child deaths to get that space marine, to just Throw him in a tank or aircraft. We need him in that Tactical squad. When you only have 1000 billets, space marines need to be in space marine squads period.

 

All Space Marines should worship the God Emperor. It should be mandatory and central to their continued existence in the Imperium.

 

Basically my Headcanon is that the Grim Dark future is really freaking Grim Dark. Everything is a lie. Death is all there is. Over and over and over. Not even the elite space marines get long lives. And no one has the time to take a step back and plan something different. And all these characters that GW never kills off… would be dead by now. All of them. We would be on 1001 Marneus Calgar or whatever his new name is. His name wouldn’t even matter. Except to the brain washed children who have his name written into their minds via hypnoindoctination.

 

Ok, that’s all for now.

[LameBeard]

I didn’t agree with all of it but I still liked it! Especially the death. It’s a problem GW have that in the dark and dangerous universe, the characters we know hardly ever die. Even worse, some come back from the dead.

[Slave to Darkness]

I didn’t agree with all of it but I still liked it! Especially the death. It’s a problem GW have that in the dark and dangerous universe, the characters we know hardly ever die. Even worse, some come back from the dead.

Eldrad being the perfect example, he actually died during the 13th Black Crusade. Love how they retconned an entire worldwide campaign :lol: 

[Boldthreat]

I didn’t agree with all of it but I still liked it! Especially the death. It’s a problem GW have that in the dark and dangerous universe, the characters we know hardly ever die. Even worse, some come back from the dead.

It bothers me. I felt that the introduction of the Primaris and the time jump was a chance for a whole new roster of characters. Now all the old marines are returning and it’s lost it’s excitement. Space Marines die. It’s what they do. But we hold to these 800 and 1100 year old characters like somehow they are more important than the Chapters that spawned them. The Chapter is the character. The character is just the pinnacle of what that chapter produces. So kill Dante off in a gruesome and heroic way and replace him. His replacement will just be a younger variation of Dante anyway.

 

I thought it was so cool when Forgeworld interred Culln in a Dreadnaught.

 

So have Dante fall to the Black Rage. Feed Logan Grimnar poisoned dog food. Let the Eldar kill Kantor. Let. Calgar. Die. How cool would it be if Luther killed Azrael?

 

Off Vladimir Pugh and no one cares. He’s an Imperial Fist.. dying is what they do. But you say you wanna put Grimnar to sleep and everyone loses their minds.

 

But I’ll admit a piece of hypocrisy on my part. For the love of the Emperor bring back Captain Cortez. I kid, I kid.