DesuVult Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 12 hours ago, danodan123 said: Sorry to be a negative Nelly but legionaries can't take death hex :( I keep forgetting that, I also don't need it since I gave the dark apostle quack. I will probably give that legionnaire diabolic strength instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5842600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abaumann Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Not sure if this is the place to look for advice...but I'm looking for feedback on a casual list with the new CSM codex. I started collecting models again after 15 years of not playing (used to play Eldar), and decided to wait until the new CSM codex came out to test things out. I have hardly played any games against chaos, let alone with chaos, but have read up on their rules extensively while I've been collecting again. Anyway, this will be an Alpha Legion list, so will take advantage of all the spicy trickery with forcing targets, redeploying, etc etc... Let me know what you think! (this is based on models I own, and these are basically the only models I own besides some daemon units...I know the Defiler got nerfed this edition but it's a sweet model so I'm playing it) ~HQ:~Daemon Prince (Slaanesh, Warlord) -Hellforged Sword, Wings, Thaa'ris and Rhi'ol the Rapacious (is this thing worth it? Seems risky), Delightful Agonies, Death Hex, Master of DiversionWarpsmith (base loadout) ~Troops:~5 Legionaries w/ boltguns -Heavy Bolter5 Legionaries w/ Astartes Chainswords and bolt pistols -Heavy Chainaxe, Plasma PistolRhino (Warpsmith rides with this squad, maybe kept close to defiler) -Havoc Launcher ~Fast Attack:~5 Warp Talons ~Heavy Support:~Defiler -Reaper Autocannon, Defiler cannon, Scourge5 Havocs -2 Autocannons, 2 Lascannons Total: 1000pts I did buy models for a daemon detachment with a bloodletter bomb when I thought a Changeling would affect a Tzeentch Defiler, but you sadly can no longer have a Defiler be Tzeentch...so the warp talons are going to serve that melee purpose for now and help harass with the daemon prince. So, a few questions: What should change? What am I going to have trouble playing against? Should the Warpsmith get swapped out for a Master of Possessions? Not looking for the most competitive build and I do enjoy using models that others might not as frequently take advantage of...so if that's the Warpsmith and you still see him being useful in this list then I'll roll with it. In the process of painting this army at the moment so don't want to spend time painting a model I won't use until the next codex if I can avoid it (already did that with the changeling, oops). Should the Warpsmith get dropped for a second Rhino for any reason? Lastly, I am looking to limit myself to 1000 points due to time constraints of weekend afternoon games. I like the idea of having a single list with the most "fun" I can pack into it, so whatever that looks like in your minds would be valuable advice. Thanks! Guzzlrr 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5843853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzlrr Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) Im Finding List Building Quite Difficult, I don't like Our new Secondaries, Long war Does Seem Ok, so i may always take that. I think I may be leaning on Banners going Forward, and No Prisoners seems like an auto take against us, seem to be easy to clear squads ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [108 PL, 4CP, 2,000pts] ++ + Configuration + Legion: Black Legion + HQ + Abaddon the Despoiler Dark Apostle 5. Trusted War-leader, Aspiring Lord, Illusory Supplication, Mark of Slaanesh Master of Possession Mark of Slaanesh, Pact of Flesh, Warp Marked + Troops + Cultist Mob 10 Legionaries : Chaos Icon, Mark of Tzeentch . Aspiring Champion: Astartes chainsword, Boltgun . Marine w/ balefire tome: Balefire tome, Prescience . 7x Marine w/ boltgun: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Boltgun, 7x Frag & Krak grenades . Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun Legionaries: Chaos Undivided . Aspiring Champion: Astartes chainsword, Boltgun . 4x Marine w/ boltgun: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Boltgun, 4x Frag & Krak grenades + Elites + Chaos Terminator Squad (10 man) -1CP: Mark of Slaanesh Terminator Champion: Accursed weapon, Black Rune of Damnation, Combi-bolter, Trophies of the Long War Chaos Terminator Squad (5 man) : Mark of Nurgle Possessed: Possessed Champion . 4x Possessed: 4x Hideous mutations + Heavy Support + Havocs Mark of Nurgle . Havoc Champion: Astartes chainsword, Flamer . 4x Havoc w/ lascannon: 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Lascannon Obliterators . 3x Obliterator ++ Total: [108 PL, 4CP, 2,000pts] ++ This is the list I Currently Leaning on, Will try it out tonight, Hoping the Troops can Screen and Secure Home objectives, while the terminators/Possessed and Characters charge up the board and secure 2 mid field objectives, banners where possible. MOT Legionnaires secure an objective that Terminators clear and allow the 10 man to split off top apply pressure, Abaddon would also peel off to hopefully be a nuisance and harass take another Objective or generally keep the pressure up, oblits Deepstrike into cover with LOS and dakka from 24", Havoks hide and pop tanks and monsters, Perhaps use Cloud of flies early game if out in the open. Thoughts? I would love some C & C Edited July 9, 2022 by Guzzlrr Cleaning up List Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5844020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzlrr Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, abaumann said: Not sure if this is the place to look for advice...but I'm looking for feedback on a casual list with the new CSM codex. I started collecting models again after 15 years of not playing (used to play Eldar), and decided to wait until the new CSM codex came out to test things out. I have hardly played any games against chaos, let alone with chaos, but have read up on their rules extensively while I've been collecting again. Anyway, this will be an Alpha Legion list, so will take advantage of all the spicy trickery with forcing targets, redeploying, etc etc... Let me know what you think! (this is based on models I own, and these are basically the only models I own besides some daemon units...I know the Defiler got nerfed this edition but it's a sweet model so I'm playing it) ~HQ:~Daemon Prince (Slaanesh, Warlord) -Hellforged Sword, Wings, Thaa'ris and Rhi'ol the Rapacious (is this thing worth it? Seems risky), Delightful Agonies, Death Hex, Master of DiversionWarpsmith (base loadout) ~Troops:~5 Legionaries w/ boltguns -Heavy Bolter5 Legionaries w/ Astartes Chainswords and bolt pistols -Heavy Chainaxe, Plasma PistolRhino (Warpsmith rides with this squad, maybe kept close to defiler) -Havoc Launcher ~Fast Attack:~5 Warp Talons ~Heavy Support:~Defiler -Reaper Autocannon, Defiler cannon, Scourge5 Havocs -2 Autocannons, 2 Lascannons Total: 1000pts I did buy models for a daemon detachment with a bloodletter bomb when I thought a Changeling would affect a Tzeentch Defiler, but you sadly can no longer have a Defiler be Tzeentch...so the warp talons are going to serve that melee purpose for now and help harass with the daemon prince. So, a few questions: What should change? What am I going to have trouble playing against? Should the Warpsmith get swapped out for a Master of Possessions? Not looking for the most competitive build and I do enjoy using models that others might not as frequently take advantage of...so if that's the Warpsmith and you still see him being useful in this list then I'll roll with it. In the process of painting this army at the moment so don't want to spend time painting a model I won't use until the next codex if I can avoid it (already did that with the changeling, oops). Should the Warpsmith get dropped for a second Rhino for any reason? Lastly, I am looking to limit myself to 1000 points due to time constraints of weekend afternoon games. I like the idea of having a single list with the most "fun" I can pack into it, so whatever that looks like in your minds would be valuable advice. Thanks! Seems Solid, I was Considering wither The Slaanesh Demon Weapon was better than the no Inv Save Tzeench one, but then it Dawnded on me they'd still get a 4 up probably due to AoC so Slaanesh deffo seems the way to go, i will try that out after next weekend As for the Warpsmith, yeah id swap him out for a MOP he can boost the Defiler as well as heal your units and be a pretty decent mortal wound generator should you wish. The marks also give access to Buff that are very helpful! I think the one Rhino Would Probably be enough at least for your current list Edited July 9, 2022 by Guzzlrr Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5844024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzzeirgul Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 (edited) Estaba pensando en una lista para mis amos de la noche, claramente enfocada al combate. +++ Ave Domminus Nox (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [88 PL, 3CP, 1,995pts] +++ ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Heretic Astartes (Chaos Space Marines)) [88 PL, 3CP, 1,995pts] ++ + Configuration [6CP] + Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [6CP] . Categories: Configuration Detachment Command Cost . Categories: Configuration Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim . Categories: Configuration Legion: Night Lords . Categories: Configuration + Stratagems [-2CP] + Relic [-1CP] . Categories: Configuration, Stratagems Warlord Trait [-1CP] . Categories: Stratagems + HQ [15 PL, 295pts] + Lord Discordant [10 PL, 190pts]: Baleflamer, Techno-virus injector, Warlord . Categories: HQ, Warlord, Stratagems . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemon Engine, Let the Galaxy Burn . Artefacts . . Daemon Weapons: ZAALL, The Wrathful . Chaos Warlord Traits: Flames of Spite . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Khorne [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Khorne Master of Possession [5 PL, 105pts] . Categories: HQ, Infantry, Psyker, Character . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemonic, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Psyker . Malefic Discipline: Cursed Earth, Pact of flesh + Troops [12 PL, 330pts] + Legionaries [4 PL, 110pts]: 4x Astartes chainsword, Chaos Icon [5pts], 4x Legionary [72pts] . Categories: Troops, Infantry, Core, Icon . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Aspiring Champion [18pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core, Infantry . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch Legionaries [4 PL, 110pts]: 4x Astartes chainsword, Chaos Icon [5pts], 4x Legionary [72pts] . Categories: Troops, Infantry, Core, Icon . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Aspiring Champion [18pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core, Infantry . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch Legionaries [4 PL, 110pts]: 4x Astartes chainsword, Chaos Icon [5pts], 4x Legionary [72pts] . Categories: Troops, Infantry, Core, Icon . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Aspiring Champion [18pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core, Infantry . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch + Elites [16 PL, -1CP, 330pts] + Chaos Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, -1CP, 150pts] . Categories: Elites . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Explodes . Hellforged Dreadnought combat weapon [5pts]: Graviton blaster [5pts] . Hellforged Dreadnought combat weapon [5pts]: Graviton blaster [5pts] Chaos Terminators [8 PL, 180pts]: 4x Accursed weapon, 4x Chaos Terminator [132pts], 4x Combi-bolter, Terminator Champion [33pts] . Categories: Elites, Infantry, Core . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch + Fast Attack [23 PL, 575pts] + Chaos Spawns [5 PL, 125pts]: 5x Chaos Spawn [125pts] . Categories: Fast Attack . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn Raptors [9 PL, 225pts]: 9x Astartes Chainsword, 9x Boltpistol, 9x Raptor [189pts] . Categories: Fast Attack, Infantry, Fly, Core . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch . Raptor Champion [21pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike Raptors [9 PL, 225pts]: 9x Astartes Chainsword, 9x Boltpistol, 9x Raptor [189pts] . Categories: Fast Attack, Infantry, Fly, Core . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch . Raptor Champion [21pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike + Heavy Support [14 PL, 300pts] + Maulerfiend [7 PL, 150pts]: Lasher tendrils [10pts], Maulerfiend fists . Categories: Heavy Support . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemon Engine, Explodes, Let the Galaxy Burn Maulerfiend [7 PL, 150pts]: Lasher tendrils [10pts], Maulerfiend fists . Categories: Heavy Support . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemon Engine, Explodes, Let the Galaxy Burn + Flyer [8 PL, 165pts] + Heldrake [8 PL, 165pts]: Baleflamer . Categories: Flyer . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Crash and Burn, Daemon Engine, Daemonic Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) Edited July 9, 2022 by Enzzeirgul Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5844049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven 19 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Enzzeirgul said: Estaba pensando en una lista para mis amos de la noche, claramente enfocada al combate. +++ Ave Domminus Nox (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [88 PL, 3CP, 1,995pts] +++ ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Heretic Astartes (Chaos Space Marines)) [88 PL, 3CP, 1,995pts] ++ + Configuration [6CP] + Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [6CP] . Categories: Configuration Detachment Command Cost . Categories: Configuration Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim . Categories: Configuration Legion: Night Lords . Categories: Configuration + Stratagems [-2CP] + Relic [-1CP] . Categories: Configuration, Stratagems Warlord Trait [-1CP] . Categories: Stratagems + HQ [15 PL, 295pts] + Lord Discordant [10 PL, 190pts]: Baleflamer, Techno-virus injector, Warlord . Categories: HQ, Warlord, Stratagems . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemon Engine, Let the Galaxy Burn . Artefacts . . Daemon Weapons: ZAALL, The Wrathful . Chaos Warlord Traits: Flames of Spite . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Khorne [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Khorne Master of Possession [5 PL, 105pts] . Categories: HQ, Infantry, Psyker, Character . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemonic, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Psyker . Malefic Discipline: Cursed Earth, Pact of flesh + Troops [12 PL, 330pts] + Legionaries [4 PL, 110pts]: 4x Astartes chainsword, Chaos Icon [5pts], 4x Legionary [72pts] . Categories: Troops, Infantry, Core, Icon . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Aspiring Champion [18pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core, Infantry . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch Legionaries [4 PL, 110pts]: 4x Astartes chainsword, Chaos Icon [5pts], 4x Legionary [72pts] . Categories: Troops, Infantry, Core, Icon . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Aspiring Champion [18pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core, Infantry . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch Legionaries [4 PL, 110pts]: 4x Astartes chainsword, Chaos Icon [5pts], 4x Legionary [72pts] . Categories: Troops, Infantry, Core, Icon . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Aspiring Champion [18pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core, Infantry . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch + Elites [16 PL, -1CP, 330pts] + Chaos Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, -1CP, 150pts] . Categories: Elites . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Explodes . Hellforged Dreadnought combat weapon [5pts]: Graviton blaster [5pts] . Hellforged Dreadnought combat weapon [5pts]: Graviton blaster [5pts] Chaos Terminators [8 PL, 180pts]: 4x Accursed weapon, 4x Chaos Terminator [132pts], 4x Combi-bolter, Terminator Champion [33pts] . Categories: Elites, Infantry, Core . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch + Fast Attack [23 PL, 575pts] + Chaos Spawns [5 PL, 125pts]: 5x Chaos Spawn [125pts] . Categories: Fast Attack . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn Raptors [9 PL, 225pts]: 9x Astartes Chainsword, 9x Boltpistol, 9x Raptor [189pts] . Categories: Fast Attack, Infantry, Fly, Core . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch . Raptor Champion [21pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike Raptors [9 PL, 225pts]: 9x Astartes Chainsword, 9x Boltpistol, 9x Raptor [189pts] . Categories: Fast Attack, Infantry, Fly, Core . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch . Raptor Champion [21pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike + Heavy Support [14 PL, 300pts] + Maulerfiend [7 PL, 150pts]: Lasher tendrils [10pts], Maulerfiend fists . Categories: Heavy Support . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemon Engine, Explodes, Let the Galaxy Burn Maulerfiend [7 PL, 150pts]: Lasher tendrils [10pts], Maulerfiend fists . Categories: Heavy Support . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemon Engine, Explodes, Let the Galaxy Burn + Flyer [8 PL, 165pts] + Heldrake [8 PL, 165pts]: Baleflamer . 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Iron Father Ferrum Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Enzzeirgul said: Estaba pensando en una lista para mis amos de la noche, claramente enfocada al combate. +++ Ave Domminus Nox (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [88 PL, 3CP, 1,995pts] +++ ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Heretic Astartes (Chaos Space Marines)) [88 PL, 3CP, 1,995pts] ++ + Configuration [6CP] + Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [6CP] . Categories: Configuration Detachment Command Cost . Categories: Configuration Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim . Categories: Configuration Legion: Night Lords . Categories: Configuration + Stratagems [-2CP] + Relic [-1CP] . Categories: Configuration, Stratagems Warlord Trait [-1CP] . Categories: Stratagems + HQ [15 PL, 295pts] + Lord Discordant [10 PL, 190pts]: Baleflamer, Techno-virus injector, Warlord . Categories: HQ, Warlord, Stratagems . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemon Engine, Let the Galaxy Burn . Artefacts . . Daemon Weapons: ZAALL, The Wrathful . Chaos Warlord Traits: Flames of Spite . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Khorne [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Khorne Master of Possession [5 PL, 105pts] . Categories: HQ, Infantry, Psyker, Character . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemonic, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Psyker . Malefic Discipline: Cursed Earth, Pact of flesh + Troops [12 PL, 330pts] + Legionaries [4 PL, 110pts]: 4x Astartes chainsword, Chaos Icon [5pts], 4x Legionary [72pts] . Categories: Troops, Infantry, Core, Icon . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Aspiring Champion [18pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core, Infantry . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch Legionaries [4 PL, 110pts]: 4x Astartes chainsword, Chaos Icon [5pts], 4x Legionary [72pts] . Categories: Troops, Infantry, Core, Icon . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Aspiring Champion [18pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core, Infantry . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch Legionaries [4 PL, 110pts]: 4x Astartes chainsword, Chaos Icon [5pts], 4x Legionary [72pts] . Categories: Troops, Infantry, Core, Icon . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Aspiring Champion [18pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core, Infantry . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch + Elites [16 PL, -1CP, 330pts] + Chaos Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, -1CP, 150pts] . Categories: Elites . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Explodes . Hellforged Dreadnought combat weapon [5pts]: Graviton blaster [5pts] . Hellforged Dreadnought combat weapon [5pts]: Graviton blaster [5pts] Chaos Terminators [8 PL, 180pts]: 4x Accursed weapon, 4x Chaos Terminator [132pts], 4x Combi-bolter, Terminator Champion [33pts] . Categories: Elites, Infantry, Core . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch + Fast Attack [23 PL, 575pts] + Chaos Spawns [5 PL, 125pts]: 5x Chaos Spawn [125pts] . Categories: Fast Attack . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn Raptors [9 PL, 225pts]: 9x Astartes Chainsword, 9x Boltpistol, 9x Raptor [189pts] . Categories: Fast Attack, Infantry, Fly, Core . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch . Raptor Champion [21pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike Raptors [9 PL, 225pts]: 9x Astartes Chainsword, 9x Boltpistol, 9x Raptor [189pts] . Categories: Fast Attack, Infantry, Fly, Core . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch . Raptor Champion [21pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike + Heavy Support [14 PL, 300pts] + Maulerfiend [7 PL, 150pts]: Lasher tendrils [10pts], Maulerfiend fists . Categories: Heavy Support . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemon Engine, Explodes, Let the Galaxy Burn Maulerfiend [7 PL, 150pts]: Lasher tendrils [10pts], Maulerfiend fists . Categories: Heavy Support . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemon Engine, Explodes, Let the Galaxy Burn + Flyer [8 PL, 165pts] + Heldrake [8 PL, 165pts]: Baleflamer . 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Bulwyf Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Enzzeirgul said: Estaba pensando en una lista para mis amos de la noche, claramente enfocada al combate. +++ Ave Domminus Nox (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [88 PL, 3CP, 1,995pts] +++ ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Heretic Astartes (Chaos Space Marines)) [88 PL, 3CP, 1,995pts] ++ + Configuration [6CP] + Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) [6CP] . Categories: Configuration Detachment Command Cost . Categories: Configuration Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim . Categories: Configuration Legion: Night Lords . Categories: Configuration + Stratagems [-2CP] + Relic [-1CP] . Categories: Configuration, Stratagems Warlord Trait [-1CP] . Categories: Stratagems + HQ [15 PL, 295pts] + Lord Discordant [10 PL, 190pts]: Baleflamer, Techno-virus injector, Warlord . Categories: HQ, Warlord, Stratagems . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemon Engine, Let the Galaxy Burn . Artefacts . . Daemon Weapons: ZAALL, The Wrathful . Chaos Warlord Traits: Flames of Spite . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Khorne [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Khorne Master of Possession [5 PL, 105pts] . Categories: HQ, Infantry, Psyker, Character . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemonic, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Psyker . Malefic Discipline: Cursed Earth, Pact of flesh + Troops [12 PL, 330pts] + Legionaries [4 PL, 110pts]: 4x Astartes chainsword, Chaos Icon [5pts], 4x Legionary [72pts] . Categories: Troops, Infantry, Core, Icon . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Aspiring Champion [18pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core, Infantry . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch Legionaries [4 PL, 110pts]: 4x Astartes chainsword, Chaos Icon [5pts], 4x Legionary [72pts] . Categories: Troops, Infantry, Core, Icon . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Aspiring Champion [18pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core, Infantry . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch Legionaries [4 PL, 110pts]: 4x Astartes chainsword, Chaos Icon [5pts], 4x Legionary [72pts] . Categories: Troops, Infantry, Core, Icon . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Aspiring Champion [18pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core, Infantry . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch + Elites [16 PL, -1CP, 330pts] + Chaos Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, -1CP, 150pts] . Categories: Elites . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Explodes . Hellforged Dreadnought combat weapon [5pts]: Graviton blaster [5pts] . Hellforged Dreadnought combat weapon [5pts]: Graviton blaster [5pts] Chaos Terminators [8 PL, 180pts]: 4x Accursed weapon, 4x Chaos Terminator [132pts], 4x Combi-bolter, Terminator Champion [33pts] . Categories: Elites, Infantry, Core . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch + Fast Attack [23 PL, 575pts] + Chaos Spawns [5 PL, 125pts]: 5x Chaos Spawn [125pts] . Categories: Fast Attack . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn Raptors [9 PL, 225pts]: 9x Astartes Chainsword, 9x Boltpistol, 9x Raptor [189pts] . Categories: Fast Attack, Infantry, Fly, Core . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch . Raptor Champion [21pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike Raptors [9 PL, 225pts]: 9x Astartes Chainsword, 9x Boltpistol, 9x Raptor [189pts] . Categories: Fast Attack, Infantry, Fly, Core . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike . Mark of Chaos [15pts]: Mark of Tzeentch [15pts] . . Categories: Mark of Tzeentch . Raptor Champion [21pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword . . Categories: Core . . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Fearsome, Let the Galaxy Burn, Malicious Volleys, Warp Strike + Heavy Support [14 PL, 300pts] + Maulerfiend [7 PL, 150pts]: Lasher tendrils [10pts], Maulerfiend fists . Categories: Heavy Support . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemon Engine, Explodes, Let the Galaxy Burn Maulerfiend [7 PL, 150pts]: Lasher tendrils [10pts], Maulerfiend fists . Categories: Heavy Support . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Daemon Engine, Explodes, Let the Galaxy Burn + Flyer [8 PL, 165pts] + Heldrake [8 PL, 165pts]: Baleflamer . Categories: Flyer . Rules: Armour of Contempt, Crash and Burn, Daemon Engine, Daemonic Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net) I don't speak Spanish (?) but you don't want to take a Heldrake. They can only fight flying models which makes them worthless. Drop that and put in Warp Talons if you can. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5844124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Heldrakes can go into hover mode and fight ground units. Gilbertus1 and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5844129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbertus1 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Beat me to it lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5844138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzzeirgul Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 On 7/9/2022 at 2:09 PM, Iron Father Ferrum said: =][= In the future, please post in English as the B&C rules do indeed specify that this is an English language forum: =][= No foreign languages or chat/"leet" speakOur members come from around the world and all age groups. The intent of discussion here is for everyone to be able to participate. This site is an English language site (we don't all talk good English, mind you ). Using foreign languages or things like chat/"leet" speak prevent many of our members from understanding, so they are not allowed. We don't expect perfect English, however, so please be understanding. Conversely, be tolerant of different styles of communication. Some of us are simply more blunt than others, and this is sometimes due to cultural norms (especially those of us from low context societies) and not necessarily because we're jerks. I apologize, and appreciate your understanding On 7/9/2022 at 1:34 PM, Lord Raven 19 said: I'll translate the top of this for now, but I believe forum rules state all posts should be in UK English, or at least they did before the site update. "I'm thinking of a list for my night lords, clearly focusing on combat" Thank you very much for the translation Iron Father Ferrum and Aarik 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5844660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 On 7/9/2022 at 3:56 PM, Iron Father Ferrum said: Heldrakes can go into hover mode and fight ground units. It was missing in my copy of the codex. There was nothing about hover mode. It printed the part about fighting aircraft or fly units but not the other part about hover mode. I had to check in my friend's version to see if this was correct. Nice to see I got a defective copy of the book. So while heldrakes can still fight ground units they don't give the extra -1 leadership aura. I would not take one for NL because they are I believe 165 points and you can find a better way to spend 165 points in a list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5844692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abaumann Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) @Guzzlrr Trying to figure out how I would cut 25 extra points for a Master of Possessions in place of the Warpsmith. Would it make sense to drop the footslogging Legionaries unit for 10 cultists, then maybe add a single Legionarie to the Rhino squad? That would get me back up to about 1000pts with the MoP, but that’s all I can really think of doing. Not a big fan of the idea of cultists, but short of ditching the Defiler for something less cool looking, I can’t think of another way to fit him in…will the Warpsmith be that lackluster? Edit: maybe the Venomcrawler would be a better option than a Defiler…hmm Edited July 12, 2022 by abaumann Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5845088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abaumann Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Anybody have other advice? Looking to order some models to give me more options…Did I kill the discussion? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5846471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 You don't really have any of the stuff the MoP's really good with, like Terminators or Obliterators, whereas the Warpsmith actually benefits the Defiler. I'd give it a go and see how it does before tweaking; it seems like a fairly solid base at 1K. Guzzlrr and abaumann 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5846484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzlrr Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) On 7/12/2022 at 4:05 AM, abaumann said: @Guzzlrr Trying to figure out how I would cut 25 extra points for a Master of Possessions in place of the Warpsmith. Would it make sense to drop the footslogging Legionaries unit for 10 cultists, then maybe add a single Legionarie to the Rhino squad? That would get me back up to about 1000pts with the MoP, but that’s all I can really think of doing. Not a big fan of the idea of cultists, but short of ditching the Defiler for something less cool looking, I can’t think of another way to fit him in…will the Warpsmith be that lackluster? Edit: maybe the Venomcrawler would be a better option than a Defiler…hmm If you're Sticking to 1000 points, what you have should be good, I made that recommendation with no regard for the Point difference However i quite Like Cultists I always have 1 unit good for holding Back Objectives/Screening and Doing actions, just not sure how good they would be in a 1000 point list Edited July 17, 2022 by Guzzlrr abaumann 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5846763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abaumann Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Thanks for the input, folks! Painting full speed ahead Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5846864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhorke Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 I’m going back to my Emperor’s Children. Going try noise marines for firepower with terminators, possessed and raptors and warp talons for assault backed by some characters for strat, prayer and psychic power synergies. Really saddened though that I can’t take a jump pack lord… ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [97 PL, 2,000pts, 3CP] ++ + Configuration + Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim Legion: Emperor's Children + HQ + Dark Apostle [6 PL, 110pts, -2CP]: 6. Loathsome Grace, Illusory Supplication, Mark of Slaanesh, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, The Black Mace, Warlord . 2x Dark Disciple: 2x Close combat weapon Master of Possession [7 PL, 120pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, Mutated Invigoration, Pact of Flesh Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [7 PL, 135pts]: Chaos Familiar, Combi-flamer, Death Hex, Force sword, Mark of Slaanesh, Prescience + Troops + Noise Marines [6 PL, 145pts]: Icon of Slaanesh . Marine w/ blastmaster: Blastmaster . 3x Marine w/ sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic blaster . Noise Champion: Astartes chainsword, Sonic blaster Noise Marines [6 PL, 145pts]: Icon of Slaanesh . Marine w/ blastmaster: Blastmaster . 3x Marine w/ sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic blaster . Noise Champion: Astartes chainsword, Sonic blaster Noise Marines [6 PL, 145pts]: Icon of Slaanesh . Marine w/ blastmaster: Blastmaster . 3x Marine w/ sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic blaster . Noise Champion: Astartes chainsword, Sonic blaster Noise Marines [6 PL, 145pts]: Icon of Slaanesh . Marine w/ blastmaster: Blastmaster . 3x Marine w/ sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic blaster . Noise Champion: Astartes chainsword, Sonic blaster + Elites + Chaos Terminator Squad [19 PL, 390pts, -1CP]: Mark of Slaanesh . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-flamer . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-flamer . Chaos Terminator: Combi-melta, Power fist . Chaos Terminator: Combi-melta, Power fist . Chaos Terminator: Heavy flamer, Power fist . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Terminator Champion: Black Rune of Damnation, Chainfist, Combi-bolter, Trophies of the Long War Possessed [7 PL, 145pts]: Chaos Icon, Possessed Champion . 4x Possessed: 4x Hideous mutations Possessed [7 PL, 145pts]: Chaos Icon, Possessed Champion . 4x Possessed: 4x Hideous mutations + Fast Attack + Raptors [13 PL, 235pts]: Mark of Slaanesh . 9x Raptor: 9x Astartes chainsword, 9x Bolt pistol, 9x Frag & Krak grenades . Raptor Champion: Bolt pistol, Power fist Warp Talons [7 PL, 140pts]: Warp Talon Champion . 4x Warp Talon: 4x Warp claws ++ Total: [97 PL, 3CP, 2,000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Guzzlrr 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5847013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzlrr Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Lhorke said: I’m going back to my Emperor’s Children. Going try noise marines for firepower with terminators, possessed and raptors and warp talons for assault backed by some characters for strat, prayer and psychic power synergies. Really saddened though that I can’t take a jump pack lord… ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [97 PL, 2,000pts, 3CP] ++ + Configuration + Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim Legion: Emperor's Children + HQ + Dark Apostle [6 PL, 110pts, -2CP]: 6. Loathsome Grace, Illusory Supplication, Mark of Slaanesh, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, The Black Mace, Warlord . 2x Dark Disciple: 2x Close combat weapon Master of Possession [7 PL, 120pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, Mutated Invigoration, Pact of Flesh Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [7 PL, 135pts]: Chaos Familiar, Combi-flamer, Death Hex, Force sword, Mark of Slaanesh, Prescience + Troops + Noise Marines [6 PL, 145pts]: Icon of Slaanesh . Marine w/ blastmaster: Blastmaster . 3x Marine w/ sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic blaster . Noise Champion: Astartes chainsword, Sonic blaster Noise Marines [6 PL, 145pts]: Icon of Slaanesh . Marine w/ blastmaster: Blastmaster . 3x Marine w/ sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic blaster . Noise Champion: Astartes chainsword, Sonic blaster Noise Marines [6 PL, 145pts]: Icon of Slaanesh . Marine w/ blastmaster: Blastmaster . 3x Marine w/ sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic blaster . Noise Champion: Astartes chainsword, Sonic blaster Noise Marines [6 PL, 145pts]: Icon of Slaanesh . Marine w/ blastmaster: Blastmaster . 3x Marine w/ sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic blaster . Noise Champion: Astartes chainsword, Sonic blaster + Elites + Chaos Terminator Squad [19 PL, 390pts, -1CP]: Mark of Slaanesh . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-flamer . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-flamer . Chaos Terminator: Combi-melta, Power fist . Chaos Terminator: Combi-melta, Power fist . Chaos Terminator: Heavy flamer, Power fist . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Terminator Champion: Black Rune of Damnation, Chainfist, Combi-bolter, Trophies of the Long War Possessed [7 PL, 145pts]: Chaos Icon, Possessed Champion . 4x Possessed: 4x Hideous mutations Possessed [7 PL, 145pts]: Chaos Icon, Possessed Champion . 4x Possessed: 4x Hideous mutations + Fast Attack + Raptors [13 PL, 235pts]: Mark of Slaanesh . 9x Raptor: 9x Astartes chainsword, 9x Bolt pistol, 9x Frag & Krak grenades . Raptor Champion: Bolt pistol, Power fist Warp Talons [7 PL, 140pts]: Warp Talon Champion . 4x Warp Talon: 4x Warp claws ++ Total: [97 PL, 3CP, 2,000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Looks like a solid list. keep us appraised on how it does ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5847014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maschinenpriester Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Did anyone consider using a dreadclaw yet? What I find interesting considering the datasheet did not get updated yet, it means it can carry 10 possessed right? But even without this gamey stuff it could carry up to 10 chosen which have 3 wounds each. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5847191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
juliusb Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 I haven't played in a few editions but I'm resurrecting my BL and I could use some help. There are 3 combos I want to run but I'm not sure how to fit them in an army, advice would be great. Abaddon + Terminators Haarken + Raptors Daemon Prince + Warp Talons I'll need to run Abaddon & Haarken in separate detachments, any recommendations for how to best do this without wasting command points or negating bonus rules etc.? Is it possible to run a Prince inside a named Legion without wasting rules? From my understanding ever unit needs to be from the BL but the Prince requires a Mark and then gains one of the 4 gods Faction keyword. So does a Prince ruin the BL keyword harmony? I feel like I'm missing something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5847348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) Very excited to try out the following list this weekend against my buddy’s Eldar. I think it’s reasonably strong. I will get around to daemonkin and daemon engine lists eventually. Waiting on the possessed for the former… Anyway, here’s my list: ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [106 PL, 2,000pts, 6CP] ++ + Configuration + Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost Gametype: 2. Chapter Approved 2021 Legion: Word Bearers + HQ + Daemon Prince with Wings [11 PL, 170pts]: 1. Flames of Spite, Death Hex, Daemonic Axe, Malefic talons, Mark of Slaanesh, Thaa' ris and Rhi'ol, the Rapacious, Warlord, Wings Dark Apostle [6 PL, 110pts, -3CP]: 3. Daemonic Whispers, Apostle of the Dark Council, Aspiring Lord, Epistle of Lorgar, Gifts of Chaos, Illusory Supplication, Mark of Slaanesh, Soultearer Portent . 2x Dark Disciple: 2x Close combat weapon Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [7 PL, 130pts, -1CP]: Chaos Familiar, Combi-bolter, Death Hex, Force sword, Gifts of Chaos, Liber Hereticus, Mark of Slaanesh, Prescience + Troops + Cultist Mob [2 PL, 50pts] . 9x Chaos Cultist w/ cultist firearm: 9x Cultist firearm, 9x Frag & Krak grenades . Cultist Champion . . Autopistol and brutal assault weapon Cultist Mob [2 PL, 50pts] . 9x Chaos Cultist w/ cultist firearm: 9x Cultist firearm, 9x Frag & Krak grenades . Cultist Champion . . Autopistol and brutal assault weapon Legionaries [6 PL, 130pts]: Chaos Undivided . Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Daemon blade . 3x Marine w/ astartes chainsword: 3x Astartes chainsword, 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades . Marine w/ balefire tome: Balefire tome, Prescience . Marine w/ special weapon: Plasma gun + Elites + Chaos Terminator Squad [19 PL, 375pts]: Mark of Slaanesh . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Heavy flamer . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Heavy flamer . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-flamer . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-flamer . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-flamer . Terminator Champion: Accursed weapon, Combi-flamer Chaos Terminator Squad [19 PL, 345pts, -1CP]: Mark of Slaanesh . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Terminator Champion: Accursed weapon, Black Rune of Damnation, Combi-bolter, Trophies of the Long War Chosen [15 PL, 270pts]: Chaos Icon, Mark of Slaanesh . Chosen: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . Chosen: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . Chosen: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . Chosen: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . Chosen: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . Chosen: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . Chosen: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . Chosen: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . Chosen: Bolt pistol, Boltgun . Chosen Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun Master of Executions [5 PL, 80pts, -1CP]: 2. Exalted Possession, Aspiring Lord, Mark of Slaanesh + Heavy Support + Havocs [7 PL, 145pts]: Chaos Undivided . Havoc Champion: Astartes chainsword, Astartes chainsword . 4x Havoc w/ reaper chaincannon: 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Reaper chaincannon Havocs [7 PL, 145pts]: Chaos Undivided . Havoc Champion: Astartes chainsword, Astartes chainsword . 4x Havoc w/ missile launcher: 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Missile launcher ++ Total: [106 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Edited July 18, 2022 by Khornestar Prot and Lhorke 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5847361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 3:19 AM, Lhorke said: I’m going back to my Emperor’s Children. Going try noise marines for firepower with terminators, possessed and raptors and warp talons for assault backed by some characters for strat, prayer and psychic power synergies. Really saddened though that I can’t take a jump pack lord… ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [97 PL, 2,000pts, 3CP] ++ + Configuration + Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command Cost Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim Legion: Emperor's Children + HQ + Dark Apostle [6 PL, 110pts, -2CP]: 6. Loathsome Grace, Illusory Supplication, Mark of Slaanesh, Stratagem: Relic, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, The Black Mace, Warlord . 2x Dark Disciple: 2x Close combat weapon Master of Possession [7 PL, 120pts]: Mark of Slaanesh, Mutated Invigoration, Pact of Flesh Sorcerer in Terminator Armour [7 PL, 135pts]: Chaos Familiar, Combi-flamer, Death Hex, Force sword, Mark of Slaanesh, Prescience + Troops + Noise Marines [6 PL, 145pts]: Icon of Slaanesh . Marine w/ blastmaster: Blastmaster . 3x Marine w/ sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic blaster . Noise Champion: Astartes chainsword, Sonic blaster Noise Marines [6 PL, 145pts]: Icon of Slaanesh . Marine w/ blastmaster: Blastmaster . 3x Marine w/ sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic blaster . Noise Champion: Astartes chainsword, Sonic blaster Noise Marines [6 PL, 145pts]: Icon of Slaanesh . Marine w/ blastmaster: Blastmaster . 3x Marine w/ sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic blaster . Noise Champion: Astartes chainsword, Sonic blaster Noise Marines [6 PL, 145pts]: Icon of Slaanesh . Marine w/ blastmaster: Blastmaster . 3x Marine w/ sonic blaster: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Frag & Krak grenades, 3x Sonic blaster . Noise Champion: Astartes chainsword, Sonic blaster + Elites + Chaos Terminator Squad [19 PL, 390pts, -1CP]: Mark of Slaanesh . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-flamer . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-flamer . Chaos Terminator: Combi-melta, Power fist . Chaos Terminator: Combi-melta, Power fist . Chaos Terminator: Heavy flamer, Power fist . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Chaos Terminator: Accursed weapon, Combi-bolter . Terminator Champion: Black Rune of Damnation, Chainfist, Combi-bolter, Trophies of the Long War Possessed [7 PL, 145pts]: Chaos Icon, Possessed Champion . 4x Possessed: 4x Hideous mutations Possessed [7 PL, 145pts]: Chaos Icon, Possessed Champion . 4x Possessed: 4x Hideous mutations + Fast Attack + Raptors [13 PL, 235pts]: Mark of Slaanesh . 9x Raptor: 9x Astartes chainsword, 9x Bolt pistol, 9x Frag & Krak grenades . Raptor Champion: Bolt pistol, Power fist Warp Talons [7 PL, 140pts]: Warp Talon Champion . 4x Warp Talon: 4x Warp claws ++ Total: [97 PL, 3CP, 2,000pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe You really need to run Lucius the Eternal with EC. He's an absolute beat stick and worth putting in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5849163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpitfireCole Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Very new to 40K and here where I am with my maiden 500pt list. Legion: Word Bearers HQ: MOP w/ Mark of Tzeentch, Daemonic Whispers, Cursed Earth, Pact of Flesh, and Liber Hereticus (?Malefic Tome a better choice) Troops: Legionaries (Tzeentch, Icon) - 3 Chainsword+pistol, 1 Balefire Tome (Diabolical Strength), Aspiring Champion w/chainsword+plasma pistol Elites: Possessed w/ Black Rune Fast Attack: Venomcrawler Figure I’m pretty susceptible to shooty horde 500pt lists, but will make best use of terrain to hide behind as my inexperienced self can. TheLibr4rian and tychobi 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5854220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDeath Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Should be solid. In my 1000 p. Game yesterday my WB Rune possessed won me the game, killing everything they touched, including a redemptor. (With help of revered Hosts) About the books: one gives you range and the ability to put out a 4++ in the legionaries or smite in addition, the other makes your spells more reliable via +1 Cast and gives you a fourth utility spell like mutated invigoration or Warp marked. How important is the survival of your legionaries is the question here, i think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/374808-list-building-with-the-new-codex/page/2/#findComment-5854234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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