Theory about returning Primarchs

[Iron Father Ferrum]

3 hours ago, Karhedron said:

To be honest, the only Loyalist Primarchs they would have a hard time justifying are Sanguinius and Ferrus. All the others have some sort of return prophecy or at least vanished in mysterious circumstances. Heck, they even retconned Rogal Dorn's death on the Sword of Sacrilege to be that just a skeletal hand was recovered.

Ferrus has a return prophecy from 3rd Edition.

[Lord_Ikka]

1 hour ago, Iron Father Ferrum said:

Ferrus has a return prophecy from 3rd Edition.

And the viewing of a very large member of the Legion of the Damned during Gulliman's march to Terra.

[Dracos]

It’s all about money and Space Wolves and Dark Angels are the two Legions out of the Big Four to have Primarchs eligible to return so …. Russ or  the Lion …. flip a coin. 

[Medjugorje]

For me there are just 4 options:

 

1. The lion ( Just because Dark Angels)

2. Sanguinor as Avatar of Sanguinius ( Just because Blood Angels )

3. Leman Russ (just because Space Wolves)

4. Rogal Dorn (because Black Templars + C-Fists + I-Fists)

 

Templars already have their book and C-Fists dont seem to get anything and IF ar just one "too normal" first founding chapter  --> so in put it on PLACE No 4

Sanguinius is the "most death" of them all so No 3

--> Leman and Lion are the close to each other because both primarchs would make very much sense in the lore and both are members of the "big chapters"

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Corax.

[Captain Idaho]

In an age of faith and the Emperor's ascension, all this talk of the Sanguinor being an Avatar of his Primarch is missing the obvious...

Imagine a Saint for the Black Templars! Rather than a Primarch coming back and cheapening the lore further, an Avatar of the Emperor filling the body of a mighty Space Marine would work better.

We even have precedent with Guilliman...

[Lord_Caerolion]

Isn’t that basically what the Emperors Champion is already, though?

[Captain Idaho]

I considered that but I think he's more just an inspired individual much like acts of faith do so to particular SoB.

I'd like to think the Emperor's Saint would be more powerful in a Marine than a nun anyway.

[phandaal]

That does feel like it would step on the toes of what the Emperor's Champion is supposed to be though.

In the Armageddon novels, it is implied that something more than just inspiration is going on. A neophyte becomes Champion by receiving visions and within days he is a master swordsman.

A Super-Champion would cheapen what is already there in the lore.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

The Black Templars will get their primarch model after Fulgrim. It would be silly to expect Lorgar before then.

[Medjugorje]

I was talking about DORN of course.

 

There are "main" chapters which are the most loved by players and collectors.

This are SW, BT, BA, DA and maybe Deathwatch (but they dont have a primarch).

 

And then we have the "normal" chapters which get a bit more attetion since GW discovered how beloved the Horus Heresy is.

But over all there is one chapter above them all: THE chapter which was called the codex in which all normal MArines used to be in back in 2nd edition.

Even in the lore they are the finest, the writer of the codex astartes and so on. But they already have a primarch model.

 

Why should GW bring a Iron Hands or Raven Guard  Primarch when SW, DA and BA have a FAR bigger fanbase.

[phandaal]

24 minutes ago, Medjugorje said:

Why should GW bring a Iron Hands or Raven Guard  Primarch when SW, DA and BA have a FAR bigger fanbase.

Honestly, the Lion can stay asleep a little bit longer. Give some other chapters love for now.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

8 minutes ago, phandaal said:

Honestly, the Lion can stay asleep a little bit longer. Give some other chapters love for now.

What benefit would a lesser played chapter bring to GW if they brought back their primarch?

[phandaal]

55 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

What benefit would a lesser played chapter bring to GW if they brought back their primarch?

Ask GW. My preference is to let Papa Lion nap a little bit longer. Let some other people have a Primarch in the meantime if they want it.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

2 hours ago, Medjugorje said:

I was talking about DORN of course.

Right.

Meanwhile every time the Sons of the Phoenix and the Soul Drinkers get together, the first thing they ask is "Who are the Black Templars trying to fool?"

[The Emperors Champion22]

On 7/11/2022 at 2:21 PM, Captain Idaho said:

Well I don't agree that every army should have a super character.

A Marine Captain full enough in Chaos power sure, it's Abaddon, but every army just jumping into the hero hammer, special super hero character? Morvann Vahl etc?

When everyone is special, no body is special. Just clumsy writing.

every army should get a super character (more likely a few) that stand out from their army. but some armies super characters should be more super than others. space marines should be better than sisters, custodes better than space marines, primarchs and greater daemons are near the top. but the actual best should be daemon primarchs, the silent king, maybe c'tan or they could be regular primarch level.

 

personally i think abaddon is way too overpowered and either needs a 150 point increase at least, or to have half his rules stripped away. he should be strong but currently hes way too strong.

[The Emperors Champion22]

On 7/14/2022 at 7:41 AM, phandaal said:

That does feel like it would step on the toes of what the Emperor's Champion is supposed to be though.

In the Armageddon novels, it is implied that something more than just inspiration is going on. A neophyte becomes Champion by receiving visions and within days he is a master swordsman.

A Super-Champion would cheapen what is already there in the lore.

hey the emperors champion is my favourite model so if we're making him a pseudo primarch im all for it.