How do GT placings work?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Guard went undefeated at the Paris GT, but only placed 3rd, so how are the rankings and placings figured?

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

It really depends on who is running the event.

[killersquid]

He had 4 wins and a Draw, so the draw kept him from the top 2 places. 1st and 2nd place had 5 wins each.

Edited July 21, 2022 by killersquid

[Kassill]

11 minutes ago, killersquid said:

He had 4 wins and a Draw, so the draw kept him from the top 2 places. 1st and 2nd place had 5 wins each.

That....seems like a feelsbad moment 

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

It’s still one heck of an accomplishment.

[Captain Idaho]

Guard lists seem pretty powerful when tank heavy if you ask me. They're like Tau in some ways - just stand there and shoot and coping with that firepower with the survivability increasing so harder to eliminate makes them likely to poll higher in the next few weeks and months.

[Xenith]

18 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Guard went undefeated at the Paris GT, but only placed 3rd, so how are the rankings and placings figured?

Undefeated =/= won every game, as we've seen. In general, you'd go by #wins, or total #VP's over the games, where the tourney is too large to have a single undefeated player. 

[Lord_Ikka]

A draw isn't a win, so the IG guy didn't go undefeated, he just didn't lose a game where the first and second places did go undefeated at 5 wins. Tournaments generally run this way as far as placings go:
1st determinant: Total game wins

2nd determinant: Total victory points

3rd determinant: Strength of schedule (how hard were the opponents you faced)

Given that, the 5 wins each pair will beat out someone with a 4 (w)-0(l)-1(d) record, even if the total victory points for the 5 wins pair is lower than the drawing player. The player with the draw would most likely win over players with a 4 (win) - 1 (loss) record, depending on if the tournament scoring system gives out tournament points for wins/losses/draws (something like a win=2 points, draw=1, loss=0). If not and the tournament just bases its 1st determinant on straight wins (without giving out tournament points) then it would be up to the victory points of each player with 4 wins to determine the next part of the rankings. 

[Xenith]

43 minutes ago, Lord_Ikka said:

A draw isn't a win, so the IG guy didn't go undefeated, he just didn't lose a game

That's generally what "undefeated" means.

They never lost a game, but other players won more games than them, sothey did worse overall. 

[Closet Skeleton]

On 7/22/2022 at 12:05 PM, Lord_Ikka said:

A draw isn't a win, so the IG guy didn't go undefeated, he just didn't lose a game where the first and second places did go undefeated at 5 wins. Tournaments generally run this way as far as placings go:
1st determinant: Total game wins

2nd determinant: Total victory points

3rd determinant: Strength of schedule (how hard were the opponents you faced)

Given that, the 5 wins each pair will beat out someone with a 4 (w)-0(l)-1(d) record, even if the total victory points for the 5 wins pair is lower than the drawing player. The player with the draw would most likely win over players with a 4 (win) - 1 (loss) record, depending on if the tournament scoring system gives out tournament points for wins/losses/draws (something like a win=2 points, draw=1, loss=0). If not and the tournament just bases its 1st determinant on straight wins (without giving out tournament points) then it would be up to the victory points of each player with 4 wins to determine the next part of the rankings. 

Its pretty much always #2 that's the most important for the final rankings. Strength of Schedule is pretty rare at least in the UK and sometimes it only effects match ups and is either literally or effectively irrelevant for final rankings.

You can get 5 bad scoring wins and end up barely escaping the bottom half of the rankings. That's very rare but having 4 wins and placing behind ten players with 3 wins is not. I have seen a 5 win player come 4th while a 4 win one came 3rd.

On 7/21/2022 at 10:45 PM, Kassill said:

That....seems like a feelsbad moment 

How? Its just coming 3rd. Coming 3rd is good. Its no worse than for the guy who came only second in spite doing even better.

Edited July 27, 2022 by Closet Skeleton

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

On 7/22/2022 at 6:05 AM, Lord_Ikka said:

A draw isn't a win, so the IG guy didn't go undefeated, he just didn't lose a game where the first and second places did go undefeated at 5 wins. Tournaments generally run this way as far as placings go:
1st determinant: Total game wins

2nd determinant: Total victory points

3rd determinant: Strength of schedule (how hard were the opponents you faced)

Given that, the 5 wins each pair will beat out someone with a 4 (w)-0(l)-1(d) record, even if the total victory points for the 5 wins pair is lower than the drawing player. The player with the draw would most likely win over players with a 4 (win) - 1 (loss) record, depending on if the tournament scoring system gives out tournament points for wins/losses/draws (something like a win=2 points, draw=1, loss=0). If not and the tournament just bases its 1st determinant on straight wins (without giving out tournament points) then it would be up to the victory points of each player with 4 wins to determine the next part of the rankings. 

A draw isn’t a defeat either.

undefeated implies won all games, which is what I assumed, but a draw isn’t a defeat so he did go undefeated.