Leviathan Dreadnoughts - Loadouts and Tactica

[bushman101]

On top of what was said, a short range large blast weapon will find itself in a funny spot when the battle is joined mid/late game. The Leviathan will be trying to scramble to get a shot where it won't clip friendly models. 

At least the Melta Lance is fire and forget, with no ramifications for missing

[Marshal Mittens]

Melta Lance seems to be the best option for a Leviathan that's going to go and mix things up. 

[Pearson73]

Thanks for the run down on grav, folks! Does seem to be in a very strange spot right now. Let's hope that they revisit it at some point.

[Bolt Slinger]

On 8/3/2022 at 3:36 AM, Nemesor Tyriks said:

The bonus attack for 2 weapons is baked into the profile, so you don't get 6 attacks for having two weapons. 

That's not true right? Bonus attacks are not baked into profiles right? It only states that if you replace a cc weapon on your Levy, you lose an attack in your profile.

I'm reading this: Charge with your Levy, you have 5 attacks base, +1 for having 2 cc weapons, +1 for charging (+ 1 for being a World Eater ;) so 7 (or 8) attacks on the charge

[Gorgoff]

3 hours ago, AK-47 said:

That's not true right? Bonus attacks are not baked into profiles right? It only states that if you replace a cc weapon on your Levy, you lose an attack in your profile.

I'm reading this: Charge with your Levy, you have 5 attacks base, +1 for having 2 cc weapons, +1 for charging (+ 1 for being a World Eater ;) so 7 (or 8) attacks on the charge

Than you read it wrong.

It clearly says that you loose one attack if you swap a ccw for a gun.

"Oh? How can that be? What a complete mystery that is. How did that happen?"

Come on. You are cleverer than that.  Same with the Contemptor where they just forgot the sentence. 

[Bolt Slinger]

1 minute ago, Gorgoff said:

Than you read it wrong.

It clearly says that you loose one attack if you swap a ccw for a gun.

"Oh? How can that be? What a complete mystery that is. How did that happen?"

Come on. You are cleverer than that.  Same with the Contemptor where they just forgot the sentence. 

.. Or they've written it poorly, that's why you read it differently

When some rules alter your profile characteristics, where does this change the rest of the rules?

The number of attacks you get are: number of attacks (a) indicated on the characteristics profile +1 charge bonus +1 Two Weapons (pg 184 rb)

So in this case 5 base attacks +1 for charging +1 for 2ccw = 7 attacks

When you swap one of your cc weapons for a gun you'll get 4 base attacks +1 for charge (no bonus for having 2ccw) = 5 attacks

 

I don't know why they've written it in this way, probably some leftovers from previous editions where dreadnoughts were vehicles and it was even more unclear.

If they intended otherwise, that's fine. But that's not what it says

As for the Contemptor (and Castra Ferrum Dreadnoughts) the writing is even poorer

[Gorgoff]

1 hour ago, AK-47 said:

.. Or they've written it poorly, that's why you read it differently

When some rules alter your profile characteristics, where does this change the rest of the rules?

The number of attacks you get are: number of attacks (a) indicated on the characteristics profile +1 charge bonus +1 Two Weapons (pg 184 rb)

So in this case 5 base attacks +1 for charging +1 for 2ccw = 7 attacks

When you swap one of your cc weapons for a gun you'll get 4 base attacks +1 for charge (no bonus for having 2ccw) = 5 attacks

 

I don't know why they've written it in this way, probably some leftovers from previous editions where dreadnoughts were vehicles and it was even more unclear.

If they intended otherwise, that's fine. But that's not what it says

As for the Contemptor (and Castra Ferrum Dreadnoughts) the writing is even poorer

I won't argue about why a Leviathan looses one attack when he gives up one ccw. That is the definition of missunderstanding a rule on purpose to get an advantage.

 

[Bolt Slinger]

17 minutes ago, Gorgoff said:

I won't argue about why a Leviathan looses one attack when he gives up one ccw. That is the definition of missunderstanding a rule on purpose to get an advantage.

 

I'm not making up any rules, nor do I wish to bend the rules to my liking, I just want to play the game. FYI I'm not playing any dreadnoughts until I can fully grasp how they work.

Base attacks of the Leviathan are 5 right?

It literally changes the characteristics of the model, inteded or not

brb pg 184 states:

Please show me where to find that dreadnoughts (or mabybe other units as well) are treated differently in melee, so I can see where I am mistaken.

I thinks they messed up, it should only lose one attack swapping weapons, but these are the rules as written. 

[Valkyrion]

@AK-47 seems correct to me. 
Just because the model loses one attack from having a gun doesn't mean it doesn't get an extra attack for having two close combat weapons, and I think it's been done on purpose - gun plus 4 attacks, vs 6 attacks.