Tycho's death Story

[Guest]

As description.

I want to read it again but I cant find my copy or even remember the White Dwarf it was in.

 

TIA :).

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Wolf Guard Einar said:

As description.

I want to read it again but I cant find my copy or even remember the White Dwarf it was in.

 

TIA :).

I’m sure it’s up on the google machine some where

[Toldavf]

Is that the one where he sees Lemartes as Dorn? It was in chapter approved 2002 as well I believe. 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Toldavf said:

Is that the one where he sees Lemartes as Dorn? It was in chapter approved 2002 as well I believe. 

See if I can get it.

[lansalt]

26 minutes ago, Wolf Guard Einar said:

See if I can get it.

It's actually in Chapter Approved 2001, page 26.

[Helias_Tancred]

On a Tycho topic ... I'd actually like to see him get a new miniature. Not a primaris model of course, but a better sized firstborn model like what they did with Castellan Crowe of the Grey Knights. Tycho is such a long serving member of our lore, and an important one too IMO, that yeah just do it GW!!!!

 

lol.

 

[Blindhamster]

I love tycho, I even made my own version for golden demon years ago.

but let’s face it, they only way he’s getting a new model is if they retcon his death, and if they retcon his death and he gets a new model, they’ll do it by making him primaris - using the logic of how much it can repair to do it.

but it won’t happen, he’s dead Dave, just like Peterson and kochanski. And that’s for the best, his death story was cool 

[Helias_Tancred]

IDK? 

If you think about it, he'd be a great recipient for a new firstborn model, because like you said "he's dead Jim." ... but since he currently has a model and rules in our supplement, Id love to have a new version.

On the topic you raised, a retcon? Lets say you're tasked by GW to retcon Tycho using the primaris technology as the cause ... how would you try to make a plausible story for that task?

[Karhedron]

3 hours ago, Eilio Tiberius said:

IOn the topic you raised, a retcon? Lets say you're tasked by GW to retcon Tycho using the primaris technology as the cause ... how would you try to make a plausible story for that task?

The only way I can see it work is if he is slapped in Stasis after Armageddon 3 in order to keep him "fresh" until the Prmiaris upgrades turn up some years later.

However that would be very much against Blood Angels' traditions. The whole point of the Death Company is that they seek a clean death in battle rather than a slow descent into madness. I can't see them robbing Tycho of a good death just on the off-chance that a magic fix turns up in the future. Besides, we know that Primaris can end up in the Death Company now too so there is no guarantee that crossing the Rubicon would even save Tycho from the Black Rage, even if it healed his body.

[Blindhamster]

Third war of Armageddon takes place at the same time as the 13th black crusade and the fall of cadia.

So yeah, if you were going to retcon it, his wounds didn't immediately kill him due to the various things that marine bodies do to keep them alive longer than would otherwise be possible. Apothecaries scoop him up, Events happen and he wakes up strangely lucid, apparently having defeated horus he changed his fate. Gets the treatment to mend his ruined body rather than getting interred in a dread.

That said, I'd prefer they leave him alone entirely. But its unrealistic to think he'll get a new model without also getting a retcon, Eldrad got a new model, but also had been retconned to not be dead afterall.

[Majkhel]

There is one big danger in bringing Tycho back without the Rage factor - he was supposed to be a successor for Dante as BA Chapter Master. So if Tycho is back in the game, Dante can die?

Or would they share responsibilities with Dante transcending fully into the IN Regent role and Tycho becoming the next Blood Angels Commander. 

[Blindhamster]

33 minutes ago, Majkhel said:

There is one big danger in bringing Tycho back without the Rage factor - he was supposed to be a successor for Dante as BA Chapter Master. So if Tycho is back in the game, Dante can die?

Or would they share responsibilities with Dante transcending fully into the IN Regent role and Tycho becoming the next Blood Angels Commander. 

honestly, tycho coming back, having somehow come through the other side of the rage - different to mephistons journey, then taking up the mantle of chapter master with Dante moving to a regent figure sitting outside of a specific chapter would actually be a thing I could get behind.

But I've actually thought a new chapter master for the blood angels wouldn't be a bad thing for a while (And I'm a HUGE Dante fanboy... though Tycho was the first character I ever owned for BA - long before he fell to the rage).

From a timing perspective, the events of the third war for armageddon and the 13th black crusade got retconned a bit anyway due to the fall of cadia storyline as those two events are actually pretty much parallel in old lore.

Whilst a part of me actually warms to the idea a little (Tycho coming back I mean), it won't happen and I still ultimately don't think it should.

Edited September 8, 2022 by Blindhamster

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, Majkhel said:

There is one big danger in bringing Tycho back without the Rage factor - he was supposed to be a successor for Dante as BA Chapter Master. So if Tycho is back in the game, Dante can die?

Anyone can die (although I don't expect them to kill off Dante). His heir-apparent is now Captain Karlaen of the 1st company I think.

[Xenith]

I'm a fan of the TYCHODREAD!

 

I don't think we'll see him back alive, however stranger things have happened. I mean, Guilliman was seconds from death also, right? Maybe his body was put into stasis for the long road back to Baal (same as Sanguinary guard are brought back to be interred?), and when they opened the stasis coffin, they found a pulse. The Calgarian Rites are likely to kill as cure, so why not give them a go. 

It also fits into the 'undead/risen' theme of the BA. 

[Guest]

Me and @Blindhamster discussed this in another thread.

I do like the idea of Tycho being "saved" but I do think his death was so well done too... So I am so torn.

Arrhhh damn it LOL.

[Blindhamster]

its one of those weird ones where I really have no idea how i'd feel about it ultimately.

I think if we get new models, it's almost certainly going to be:

1. Dante
2. Corbulo
3. maybe astorath
4. maybe sanguinor

I'd actually like to see them redesign Karlean, make him into a "true" special character and really push his narrative in 10th, expand on the idea he's Dante's chosen heir and go from there.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

its one of those weird ones where I really have no idea how i'd feel about it ultimately.

I think if we get new models, it's almost certainly going to be:

1. Dante
2. Corbulo
3. maybe astorath
4. maybe sanguinor

I'd actually like to see them redesign Karlean, make him into a "true" special character and really push his narrative in 10th, expand on the idea he's Dante's chosen heir and go from there.

Yeah thats the problem we had before... We both love him as a character, we don't like he died, returning to life cheats his death and end story.

Ultimately *IF* he was to return maybe its with the Sanguinor or that Avatar of *NOT* Sanguinius help.

Man I love the idea of Tycho the Redeemed.

I could forgive them for the retcon.

I love Dante too but Tycho man... He is what the OG Blood Angels character?

[Helias_Tancred]

4 hours ago, Xenith said:

I'm a fan of the TYCHODREAD!

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Reading that cracked me up!!! I'm imagining a sweet Redemptor Dreadnought in full gold with Tycho's personal heraldry flag flying atop it. First dreadnought with a BA specific shooting arm of meltagun + heavy bolter!

 

3 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

its one of those weird ones where I really have no idea how i'd feel about it ultimately.

I think if we get new models, it's almost certainly going to be:

1. Dante
2. Corbulo
3. maybe astorath
4. maybe sanguinor

I'd actually like to see them redesign Karlean, make him into a "true" special character and really push his narrative in 10th, expand on the idea he's Dante's chosen heir and go from there.

Agreed, but I think the Sanguinor is a definite new model that we'll get! I also have hopes his stat line will increase to something like a primarch?

 

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, Eilio Tiberius said:

Agreed, but I think the Sanguinor is a definite new model that we'll get! I also have hopes his stat line will increase to something like a primarch?

I hope so. The Sanguinor is a Warp entity and should rival a Daemon Prince, if not a GD. I would love a sweet Primarch-equivelent rules and model based on something like this.

[Helias_Tancred]

I always believed he'd be like a primarch-lite in terms of stats compared to Guilliman. More of a deadly beat stick vs a buffer.

[Blindhamster]

7 hours ago, Eilio Tiberius said:

I always believed he'd be like a primarch-lite in terms of stats compared to Guilliman. More of a deadly beat stick vs a buffer.

see i think a big part of the sanguinor should be the inspiration he grants to nearby blood angels. I’d probably make him similar stats to a demon prince

[Helias_Tancred]

On 9/9/2022 at 3:30 AM, Blindhamster said:

see i think a big part of the sanguinor should be the inspiration he grants to nearby blood angels. I’d probably make him similar stats to a demon prince

Well yeah you're right ... the written stories definitely supports that angle too.

 

[Brother Nathan]

rumours on it pont to the sanginator thing getting a new model/potentially becoming sanguinius reborn or something... perhaps possing sanginuses body or such... respects to tycho but id rather a cool sangy... 

[Helias_Tancred]

On 9/8/2022 at 6:58 AM, Majkhel said:

There is one big danger in bringing Tycho back without the Rage factor - he was supposed to be a successor for Dante as BA Chapter Master. So if Tycho is back in the game, Dante can die?

Or would they share responsibilities with Dante transcending fully into the IN Regent role and Tycho becoming the next Blood Angels Commander. 

 

I like Karlaen ... but imo they don't do enough to bring him to life in the lore (aka BL's end of things). They either need to step up and make Karlaen more of an integral figure, or bring in some competition like a retconned Tycho that is remade primaris?

 

Personally as long as he has rules in our supplement which means he can be used in games of 40k, I'd love to see at least a new firstborn miniature like how Crowe was redone.

 

[Karhedron]

Rules-wise Karlaen is just a TDA Captain with a relic hammer and WLT of choice. I would not mind seeing more fluff about him but remember Tycho never had any books. All his fluff was lore snippets in the codex or WD. Even his first appearance was in a Battle report between Andy Chambers and Jervis Johnson to celebrate the launch of 2nd edition. I remember how cool it seemed a few years later when he actually got a special model and lore to describe that batrep.