Your Spiciest 40K Opinion

[WARMASTER_]

Another Spicy one 

Unfortunately they probably won’t bring back Battlefleet because the internet is just too rife with good quality 3D printed ships 

I don’t think there’s been a community able to keep a game alive so long after it’s dead before it’s genuinely impressive 

[alfred_the_great]

I hate the internet because it means things like #facesofwarhammer are necessary, alongside an utter fixation to know everything, all the time, about anything - there is no space for “make your own stories up” or “it’ll drop when it drops”…

[Ace Debonair]

The absolute Hottest of Takes I can muster is as thus:

Rubric marines have very cool models; but are a completely unfitting concept for servants of Tzeentch.

I mean, let me get this straight: You have a setting with a literal God of Change, who tends to go big and crazy with mutations as blessings, and his chosen mortal soldiers are... basically just animated suits of armour, full of the exact same mindless dust, for ten thousand consecutive years.   They don't even really look different from other Space Marines, aside from the fancy hats.

Instead of Space Mummies, we could have had Space Marines who are part-vulture/snake/crocodile/jackal/scarab/other/all of the above. Or Space Marines who are literally burning with the translucent fires of change* as they shimmer like mirages from the raw psychic energy leaking from them. Instead, it's just suits of armour with no capacity for thought, ambition, or change, rocking the same Egyptian motif for ten straight millennia (which I will restate, is a very cool motif, but not what I think when I think "Tzeentch-y Space Marines").

I know they're always led by sorcerers, which is great, but the standard troops themselves could have been so much cooler to look at than just another squad of space marines with bolters.

Even Nurgle's boys have visibly changed more over the ten thousand years.  If that's not a sign the Rubric needs doing away with, and the Thousand Sons should get a big old lore overhaul, I honestly don't know what is. 

Rubrics (and the Scarab Occult Terminators who are just more of the same) honestly strike me a case of "models first, lore later". And again, while I like the Thousand Sons, and the whole Egyptian Space Marines theme, having the servants of the God of Change just look the same as any old ordinary marines just kind of bugs me. 

 

* There's a further Hot Take, the Legion of the Damned could be better Tzeentch marines than the Rubrics are. Unknowable, eldritch, burning ghost marines? Sounds almost exactly right to me! 

[mughi3]

My spicy take-#1

Andy Chambers was the best game designer GW ever had and the game has been going downhill since he quit. 

 

#2

If the Primaris project was sold as the new MK of marine armor (say designed by the returned ultra marines primarch)  for true scale marines, it would have been more acceptable than the Cawl backstory they came up with that doesn't fit with the lore or setting. 

[Special Officer Doofy]

4 minutes ago, Ace Debonair said:

The absolute Hottest of Takes I can muster is as thus:

Rubric marines have very cool models; but are a completely unfitting concept for servants of Tzeentch.

I always thought Tzeentch treats his followers the most like pawns compared to the other gods, and has little care for them. Plus rubrics are pawns of the sorcerer that controls them, so kind of like pawns of a pawn. Being husks filled with sand doesn't necessarily mesh with Tzeentch, but I feel it does mesh with Thousand Sons, which they are first and foremost.

[Pacific81]

33 minutes ago, mughi3 said:

My spicy take-#1

Andy Chambers was the best game designer GW ever had and the game has been going downhill since he quit.

The problem is that today's rule designers don't have the same opportunity that the original guys had when designing the games. Chambers, Priestley etc had a lot more creative freedom, and not everything was being dictated by the sales department (we know this from Priestley's comments before he left). Not to mention the aggressive release cycle, probably reduced playtesting and available resources etc - I think the guys doing the rules these days probably have to do a lot more with a lot less.

[sitnam]

Danm Evil Eye, you hit the nail on the head. 

5 hours ago, Lemondish said:

My hot take is that they should have made AI with the current flyer models lol

 

If you mean the plastic space marine flyers, then absolutely yes. I want chibi Storm Talons! If you mean 28mm scale flyers...your nuts lol

 

6 hours ago, Captain Idaho said:

When it comes to another spicy hottake... GW needs to release Epic.

 

Is that even spicy? I'm chomping at the bit for some Epic scale stuff that isnt Imperial Titans or planes

[Captain Idaho]

=][= There's been a few insulting posts from people here. Remember this topic is a little tongue in cheek and fun primarily, so you don't have to insult each other's opinions just because you don't agree. =][=

[WARMASTER_]

@Evil Eye

A good and well thought through response, and while I could give a long in depth response as I said in the last post i wasn’t trying to debate the point it’s supposed to be a hot take so a general consensus of agreement would shock me haha! If it’s been a positive thing to you within your hobby I’m glad 

My overall take away and response would be this though… I vehemently believe anonymity rarely [If ever] leads to positive, reasonable discourse and often leads to how is categorise 4Chan’s group think which is “be edgy”

It’s something we just won’t agree  on I imagine, which is ok we’re not supposed too on everything  

 

 

Edited September 13, 2022 by BladeOfVengeance
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[Lemondish]

7 hours ago, sitnam said:

If you mean the plastic space marine flyers

Yes, this. 

[Bung]

11 hours ago, BladeOfVengeance said:

Another Spicy one 

Unfortunately they probably won’t bring back Battlefleet because the internet is just too rife with good quality 3D printed ships 

I don’t think there’s been a community able to keep a game alive so long after it’s dead before it’s genuinely impressive 

BFG is a great game, but has some minor flaws.

Andy Chambers worked with Hawk Wargames to make Dropfleet Commander which plays alot like BFG 2.0.

[Xenith]

12 hours ago, Ace Debonair said:

Rubric marines have very cool models; but are a completely unfitting concept for servants of Tzeentch.

I mean, that's the joke (unchanging warriors in the legion of change), but also check out the Rubric of Ahriman. The KSons were rife with mutation etc, however Ahriman cast a giant cataclismic spell to stop this happenning, at the cost of the very bodies and souls of his legion. Tzeentch isn't just about physical mutation, but also magic, deceit, trickery, ambition and schemes within schemes. 

[Ahzek451]

38 minutes ago, Xenith said:

I mean, that's the joke (unchanging warriors in the legion of change), but also check out the Rubric of Ahriman. The KSons were rife with mutation etc, however Ahriman cast a giant cataclismic spell to stop this happenning, at the cost of the very bodies and souls of his legion. Tzeentch isn't just about physical mutation, but also magic, deceit, trickery, ambition and schemes within schemes. 

Echoing and adding to this as well, Tzeentch loves his irony and inside jokes as much as change itself, and considering all the other gods were getting their shiny legions, Tzeentch knew his would eventually fizzle out and turn into an army of mutating spawn(due to his nature), so what better way to manipulate, contradict, and preserve a legion. 

[Ace Debonair]

21 minutes ago, Xenith said:

I mean, that's the joke (unchanging warriors in the legion of change), but also check out the Rubric of Ahriman. The KSons were rife with mutation etc, however Ahriman cast a giant cataclismic spell to stop this happenning, at the cost of the very bodies and souls of his legion. Tzeentch isn't just about physical mutation, but also magic, deceit, trickery, ambition and schemes within schemes. 

I know, I know, and in no way do I wish to malign the overall coolness or story of the Thousand Sons. I just wish the Rubric Marines looked a bit more... interesting, for lack of a better word. It's just a bunch of ordinary Space Marines (in appearance) with the same old guns in the same old pose, only with some tall hats.  

I very much suspect I'm alone in this opinion, but if I didn't voice it here and now, I'd never voice it at all! 

[Uprising]

My spicy hot take: Any new lore after 7th ed does not exist.  Take it as you see it.  

 

[Marshal Reinhard]

Spicy hot take: Sometimes grognards just have to get with the times.

Too generalist/not 40k specific enough?

[Rik Lightstar]

My Hot-Takes......

1. The Lore wasn't very well written in the past and it wasn't edgy, we just didn't have as much else to compare it to.
2. Age of Sigmar is a better ruleset and would work just fine for 40k.
3. 40k sucks as a Tournament game and Kill Teams should be the standard tournament game for the 40k setting.
4. Magnus did nothing wrong.

Rik

[mughi3]

2 hours ago, Uprising said:

My spicy hot take: Any new lore after 7th ed does not exist.  Take it as you see it.  

 

That isn't spicy that is reality. 

[Redcomet]

Take one: 40k takes itself far too serious these days. The setting doesn’t work unless it pokes fun at itself.

Take two: female space marines not being a thing is just ridiculous. There are no viable excuse for it.

Take three: 40k as a game doesn’t know what it wants to be. And until they figure that out it will never be a good game

[Captain Idaho]

=][= So guys, um keep it on topic eh? Odd sounding farms, doxing and government hypocrisy is all well and fun and all, but not covered in our mission statement.

And that's not a hottake, but it does come with a Meltagun. =][=

[Pacific81]

2 hours ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

Spicy hot take: Sometimes grognards just have to get with the times.

Too generalist/not 40k specific enough?

Is there something to be said though for being out of the 'forefront' and not feeling you have to keep up with all of the new releases, books and miniatures? Of selecting a ruleset, a game or a period of lore because you enjoyed it, rather than having to think 'new=better'? And being a grognard is certainly a lot cheaper for those of us with tight wallets!

[Lay]

Fluff > Lore

[Marshal Reinhard]

2 minutes ago, Pacific81 said:

Is there something to be said though for being out of the 'forefront' and not feeling you have to keep up with all of the new releases, books and miniatures? Of selecting a ruleset, a game or a period of lore because you enjoyed it, rather than having to think 'new=better'? And being a grognard is certainly a lot cheaper for those of us with tight wallets!

I mean it's the same as with people with headcanon (guess this counts as another hot take): While you're welcome to yours as much as you want, It's rarely ever of any interest to anyone else.

[mughi3]

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Take two: female space marines not being a thing is just ridiculous. There are no viable excuse for it.

They are called sister of battle- hits on 3+ has a 3+ power armor save, gets to use marine equipment, have specific themed chapters/orders........

 

Also spicy take-the fictional universe setting is the viable excuse- there are no female space marines because that is not how they are made. 

 

The entire point of a "fictional" setting is that it is NOT a representation of our real world. 

Edited September 13, 2022 by mughi3

[Doghouse]

40k was at it's best 1987-1989.