Geneseed question

[Furnace Lord]

I'm behind on current lore and the HH series, just getting back into the hobby. During the Great Crusade I'm sure apothecaries knew more about using it properly, did this raise the maximum age window for a successful Astartes?

In modern time, do all traitor Astartes in the Eye need to raid for Geneseed? I think I have the wrong impression about how it works for Chaos Marines.

Ty :)

[WARMASTER_]

Unlike most things in 40K the knowledge for creating new generations of astartes appears to have remained consistent. Its just practices that have changed to maintain purity after the Heresy, Here’s a quote from the 5th edition codex that sums it up nicely… 

“The Horus Heresy had revealed weaknesses in the gene-seed of several Space Marine Legions. These defects had been exacerbated by the accelerated gene-seed cultivation techniques needed to keep the huge Space Marine Legions up to strength. The Chaos Powers were able to exploit the resultant physical and mental corruption to turn Horus' troops against the Emperor. So had the Emperor's great plan contained the seeds of its own downfall.

One of the key objectives of the new Codex Astartes was to recognise and expunge these genetic weaknesses. The Codex decreed that Space Marines would be created and trained slowly. The genetic banks used to create implants would be carefully monitored. Cultivated organs would be subject to the most stringent tests of purity. Young initiates were to undergo trials of suitability before they were accepted, and only those of the very sternest character would be chosen” 

 

Its also worth noting the only time older initiates [Above 13] have ever been noted as attempting the ascension process was the retinues of the primarch’s upon discovery so they could continue fighting by their liege lords side, but this was always noted as being extremely dangerous with many more than normal dying in the process 

Edited September 14, 2022 by BladeOfVengeance
Grammar

[WARMASTER_]

Now for Chaos… 

As always there’s never really a hard and fast rule for chaos…

Some maybe even most might raid for geneseed through a number of factors… their stores has corrupted from warp exposure, battlefield attrition, wanting to swell their ranks or even out of spite wanting to destroy a chapters future 

It’s not always the case though other warbands might never pollute their bloodlines with another legions “inferior” geneseed out of notions of purity 

As always with Chaos they’ll be a myriad of answers 

Edited September 14, 2022 by BladeOfVengeance
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[Noserenda]

They certainly utilised a wider recruitment base during the Crusade and especially Heresy but its impossible to say exactly how much is lost knowledge and how much is a more cautious and controlled approach. There are certainly big red flags over a lot of the rapid induction techniques used in the mid-late heresy! 

There was an awesome comic yeeears ago i think in Inferno or the Journal which talked about Chaos marine recruitment, and it mentions at least half a dozen techniques including regular implantation, daemonic sacrifice and necromancy. The Eye of terror and warp in general makes geneseed purity a joke so they really have to improvise a bit, not helped by most remaining Apothecaries being mad scientists of some stripe! 

[Doctor Perils]

4 hours ago, Noserenda said:

They certainly utilised a wider recruitment base during the Crusade and especially Heresy but its impossible to say exactly how much is lost knowledge and how much is a more cautious and controlled approach. There are certainly big red flags over a lot of the rapid induction techniques used in the mid-late heresy! 

There was an awesome comic yeeears ago i think in Inferno or the Journal which talked about Chaos marine recruitment, and it mentions at least half a dozen techniques including regular implantation, daemonic sacrifice and necromancy. The Eye of terror and warp in general makes geneseed purity a joke so they really have to improvise a bit, not helped by most remaining Apothecaries being mad scientists of some stripe! 

Oh man, that sounds like great fun, wish we could have some kind of apothecary/cutter for CSM