Worst conduct experience?

[phandaal]

6 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Did he know you were bringing a fluffy non-meta list, or was it a random?

He knew. It was supposed to be a fluffy game, not a serious one. Among other things I brought a vanilla Primaris Lieutenant with boltgun, Heavy Intercessors, a single unit of Ravenwing bikes, it was big time non-meta. His excuse was he "just wanted to try these out." He really did not need me there to practice rolling his dice and counting the numbers, so I cut out the middleman for him. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

4 minutes ago, phandaal said:

He knew. It was supposed to be a fluffy game, not a serious one. Among other things I brought a vanilla Primaris Lieutenant with boltgun, Heavy Intercessors, a single unit of Ravenwing bikes, it was big time non-meta. His excuse was he "just wanted to try these out." He really did not need me there to practice rolling his dice and counting the numbers, so I cut out the middleman for him. 

Yeah that’s pretty messed up.

the aforementioned person brought lists he was preparing for tournaments but he at least had the decency to tell me before hand. I would also tell him I’m not bringing a meta list so I don’t know how good of a test it would be lol.

[phandaal]

58 minutes ago, MetalMammoth said:

That was a perfectly reasonable response from the guy. An animal put him at risk. He proposed a solution for warding it off.

According to the story, nobody was ever at risk. It was more of a heads up: "my dog gets energetic so be careful."

If someone said that to me, my response would be "ok thanks" and maybe I would shoo the dog in front of me or something.

That is a normal response. Telling someone it is fine because you can just hurt their pet is not a normal response. Of course, some people must think it is a normal response or they would not say it, which is why they get banned from the house.

[Helias_Tancred]

14 hours ago, phandaal said:

Played a "casual" 1k pt game last year with a fluffy Greenwing list vs a Tsons player. He chose to bring a Mortal Wound firehose list with a bunch of Terminators and a big unit of teleporting flamer guys.

He got first turn. After his second turn of pointing at my models and telling me how many to remove, I told him OK, good game. He seemed genuinely surprised and asked if I was sure, so I pointed to the couple of units I had left and told him he was going to remove those in the next psychic phase. He was not happy. I think he really did expect me to just sit there while he basically played with himself using my models as his target dummy.

Not like it would have been that much more of my time wasted, but it is the principle that counts.

 

It's an attitude of you're here for my personal petty amusement at that point. Same as when I was suckered into a game with Mr. Testors M155 howitzer proxy. I believe that when two people agree to play a game it should be fairly enjoyable by both. All of us who are reasonable fans of the game realize that we will not always win, plans go south, the dice gods get fickle, and losing is a real possibility ... but we play for reasons beyond that, we still have fun.

The ironic thing is those sorts that tend to be WAAC players, are the first ones to get peeved when you call the game and deny their gleeful experience are ALSO the first ones that whine and pout when it happens to them. 

This is a social game. I avoid those sorts like the plague.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Eilio Tiberius

[Helias_Tancred]

14 hours ago, MetalMammoth said:

Human safety is more important than not hurting the family pet's feelings. It's not like he was going to maim your dog... Plus, it's your responsibility to lock up problematic animals when receiving guests.

Think of it from his perspective; Someone else's dog is going to knock you off the stairs. Depending on age, build, health & luck, that could result in anything from a few light bruises to broken bones or even death. I'd say he picked a very mild retort.

A legitimate concern? Possible to definitely yes. A much better way to address it, definitely yes! Indicative of who is is? Quite possibly.  The guy is still wrong for what he said. That would have really rubbed me the wrong way and that would have been the only time I played with him. Life is too short to spend it with people that tick you off.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Eilio Tiberius

[Magos Takatus]

4 hours ago, Rik Lightstar said:

Hertfordshire in the early 90s, it's quite possible we crossed paths at some point....

Rik

Perhaps, but I doubt we would have thrown dice together. I played a game or two at the Luton GW store (now long gone) but most of my games were at a friend's house. I just remember a few snapshots. A truly awful game of Blood Bowl during a tournament and a few group participation games where I'd bring a squad in. Suffice to say the only person that I got into arguments with was the person that was simultaneously my closest friend and biggest rival. Still doesn't mean I wasn't a git, just that it only affected one person.  Nowadays he's teaching me the ins and outs of the rules. We have both calmed down a lot.

 

[Lord_Ikka]

12 hours ago, Eilio Tiberius said:

I believe that when two people agree to play a game it should be fairly enjoyable by both.

Fun can be hard to gauge if you're not familiar with the other player. Some people seem to only have fun if they win, regardless of how the game played or the person they are playing against- their primary entertainment seems to be the end rather than the process. Not my way of playing, but they are out there. Communication is key, and making sure someone knows what a casual or themed list is compared to a tournament list can be the difference between a fun afternoon and a dreary slog. 

I have a buddy I play against often- we play tournament-prep mostly, so as hardcore 2k lists as we can, but I don't bring those lists to "normal" or casual play. An example would be a grow league I played in last month. It was a 25PL to start, 10PL more each week league. I was probably the most experienced player in the league of fifteen-twenty people, and very definitely the one with the most competitive experience. It would have been easy for me to have taken a fairly nasty list at the low-PL levels, either Harlies or Necrons would do really well and probably win in devastating fashion. Instead, I took a pretty fluffy Primaris Ultramarines army for the month, keeping it themed and fun without trying hard to win. It was a grow league, with people who were new to the game, haven't played in a while, or were just looking for fun- for the five weeks of the league I went into teaching mode and tried to help my opponents as much as possible rather than exploit their obvious mistakes/missteps. If I had been a jerk that tried to win as efficiently as possible, that could have ruined the experience for quite a few people and just made them re-think their decision to play the game- winning wasn't the point of that league, teaching and getting people to enjoy the game were. 

[Magos Takatus]

15 minutes ago, Lord_Ikka said:

Fun can be hard to gauge if you're not familiar with the other player. Some people seem to only have fun if they win, regardless of how the game played or the person they are playing against- their primary entertainment seems to be the end rather than the process. Not my way of playing, but they are out there. Communication is key, and making sure someone knows what a casual or themed list is compared to a tournament list can be the difference between a fun afternoon and a dreary slog. 

I have a buddy I play against often- we play tournament-prep mostly, so as hardcore 2k lists as we can, but I don't bring those lists to "normal" or casual play. An example would be a grow league I played in last month. It was a 25PL to start, 10PL more each week league. I was probably the most experienced player in the league of fifteen-twenty people, and very definitely the one with the most competitive experience. It would have been easy for me to have taken a fairly nasty list at the low-PL levels, either Harlies or Necrons would do really well and probably win in devastating fashion. Instead, I took a pretty fluffy Primaris Ultramarines army for the month, keeping it themed and fun without trying hard to win. It was a grow league, with people who were new to the game, haven't played in a while, or were just looking for fun- for the five weeks of the league I went into teaching mode and tried to help my opponents as much as possible rather than exploit their obvious mistakes/missteps. If I had been a jerk that tried to win as efficiently as possible, that could have ruined the experience for quite a few people and just made them re-think their decision to play the game- winning wasn't the point of that league, teaching and getting people to enjoy the game were. 

That's quite a fun idea. I suppose if you really leaned into it you could build the army so that it introduces new rules into the game without stomping the players into the ground. 

[Xenith]

=][= Enough about the animals =][=

Asking a question about gaming etiquette then talking about a persons behaviour outside a game is already on a tangent enough for this to get locked down right off.

Please restrict your comments to in-game conduct experiences only. No personal attacks or more commentary on pet-care. Offending posts have been removed. 

[Redcomet]

Way back when at a WHFB tournament, back in the days of card based magic and monsters flying high, I had an opponent who did a thing that was clearly not allowed by the rules. He said it was a common house rule so he wanted to use it. I said no and called a referee. They argued for 10 minutes before it was settled. The guy got so angry he sabotaged the rest of the game. Took ages doing anything, insisted on re measuring everything and look up every rule. We ran out if time and only got to turn 3. Resulted in a minor loss for me, and a smug smile from him.

The same year I was to attend a weekend WHFB narrative campaign at a friend of a friends home. So I spent 2 months making this incredibly fun and fluffy orc and goblin army. Full of character and chaos.

Turned up to the event, and the host and his best mate both had ultra optimized tournament armies, and used the weekend to tournament prep. Any sign of a narrative had been yeeted out the window and they spent the first day being smug and loud about how much they crushed my army. I tried to have fun, but when you only face bad winners it is hard.

 

 

[Cpt_Reaper]

For me, the worst conduct I have ever experienced wasn't even my opponent. It was a month or so before the 8th Edition Grey Knights codex.

I was at a LAN party and the topic of the impending codex came up. I voiced my doubts that the rumours of the time that Grey Knights were going to be good as they had been pretty lackluster for a good while (perhaps a reaction to the 5th Edition codex being just grossly good).

One attendee then, loud enough that everyone in the hall could hear his words clearly, stated that "nobody should ever listen to you about 40k...ever." Yeah...that didn't feel great. But it got better.

Later in the event, I was challenged to a pick up game by one of the attendees. My Angels of Shadow vs his Blood Angels. I ran firstborn as I really didn't have enough Primaris back then, and he ran a rather nasty Smash Captain and friends. It was more just a fun game with the models we had available. Cue that guy from earlier who saw the need to get up from his PC, walk over and rather than saying hello to my opponent he stood next to the table and stated "Your army is soft. Not that it'd change the outcome."

It took nearly my entire gaming group to convince me not to quit 40k. I just felt so worthless.

[Redcomet]

I just remembered another one. I can’t remember which edition it was, but a new 40k one had been out for 6 months. A friend of mine wanted to get back into the game after 10 years away from it. We agreed on a game size, he had been watching YouTube so knew the rules. I had a Dark Eldar collection so said I would build a soft army with a little of everything so we could have some fun.

He then brought Space Wolves. After saying he would bring an eldar army. He brought a SW netlisted army specifically tuned to fight DE. 
 

Needless to say I got tabled and he was gloating so much. I always try to project positivity even when loosing so we agreed on another game.

Gave him a taste of his own medicine. Borrowed a Necron army from a friend, a really nasty list, and absolutely destroyed him. He got SO MAD. We never played 40k again. So not only a bad winner but also a sore looser.

[Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch]

I've griped about this game elsewhere, I might as well gripe about it here...

Shortly after the SoB codex released for this edition, I arranged a 50PL game in my local discord server at a FLGS. The codex had come out but not all of the models had been released. Opponent had a 3D printed Castigator (or whatever the predator analogue is) and a few Repressors (one of which contained a squad of Retributors with multimeltas).

I was playing with my Necrons, and at one point in the game charged my Monolith into an Immolator. It fired Overwatch, and missed. I thought i was good, and then he fired Overwatch with the Retributors with multimeltas that were still inside the tank.

He insisted it was a thing he was allowed to do. The rules he was using (which i think at the time were Forgeworld legends?) said 'shooting phase', he argued that RAI meant that the unit inside could shoot whenever the tank shot.

I ended up giving up the argument, which in the end cost me the game, because the Monolith had 3 wounds left and a half-range melta shot does minimum 3 Damage. 

The next time I was at my local GW, I asked the manager about it, and he said that the player in question had cheated. Long story short, I don't play that player anymore.

[Claws and Effect]

I hate playing against people that either take advantage of their opponents not knowing the nuances of a rule or deliberately misinterpret a rule and argue about it. 

I used to let it slide, but there's a lot of new players in my local Heresy group, and if I don't hold my ground those (thankfully rare) players I deal with will end up ruining the game for the newbies. 

[Scribe]

Man, I feel positively blessed.

For several editions, I had a fantastic group of guys, who just wanted to roll dice, get high (not me, them getting high helped my win percentage) and buy more models.

Worst I can recall is 2 guys, brothers, who both would get sour REAL fast if the dice turned against them. I had both concede games first turn, over some poor RNG, but them's the breaks.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

49 minutes ago, Scribe said:

Man, I feel positively blessed.

For several editions, I had a fantastic group of guys, who just wanted to roll dice, get high (not me, them getting high helped my win percentage) and buy more models.

Worst I can recall is 2 guys, brothers, who both would get sour REAL fast if the dice turned against them. I had both concede games first turn, over some poor RNG, but them's the breaks.

Did you play them not high and see a marked improvement over the high games?

[Scribe]

1 minute ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Did you play them not high and see a marked improvement over the high games?

lol no not really, generally by the end turns though they would be checked out and I would be in 'get the last few points' mode. :D

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

47 minutes ago, Scribe said:

lol no not really, generally by the end turns though they would be checked out and I would be in 'get the last few points' mode. :D

That might just be who they were as people then.

I know people who do some very fancy science high :cuss:.

[Xenith]

And I think that has run its course.