Guard reveals

[Schlitzaf]

That depressing

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, duz_ said:

 

Indeed it appears based on the contents your army must be lead by one of those deadbeat Cadians 

We all know what happened last time someone left one of them in charge... 

 

As IL suggested you can just field a commander and use their rules I guess? 

Use whatever regimental commander you have and use the appropriate datasheet.

[INKS]

Dealing with Abaddon or a wound cap Bloodthirster or both is a pain in the BUTT

[bristlybadger]

I just can't believe that they didn't put any non-cadian specific unit in there with more than 1 order. Lord Solar being a special character mean I don't want to field that one either. This really is Codex: Cadian and Codex: Only the Box Options. I KNOW that we can field the cadian X as whatever, but did it have to be so specific...

 

Everybody hoping for decent Krieg rules and instead there are none, just soup away with any rules you like, at the same time as we lose generic company commanders. I'd like it more if they didn't do this weird hybrid setup, and didn't force us into counts-as if we don't want to choose between vox and plasma for no other reason than 'that's what the box builds'. What happened to the FW Krieg options - we had weapon packs, dagnabbit! 

[Squike]

Isn't the generic company commander now part of the command squad? 

unfortunately it appears that there is only the platoon command squad not a company command squad, but I thought generic officers were rolled into the command squads?

[bristlybadger]

They seem to be, but they only give out a single order. 

[sairence]

Honestly, with orders bouncing, one order is enough to cover a battleline. 

 

And while I get the frustration a bit, regimental keywords are no longer relevant for orders. So you can take the Castellan, kitbash them to look like a Krieger and run them as a Marshall, simply ignoring the Cadian keyword they have. It makes 0 difference beyond some strategem interactions.

[bristlybadger]

Yeah I know, there's nothing stopping us from running counts as... Except for that irksome feeling of having been forgotten in favour of specific new plastic kits. It's a sad day for the hobby aspect when sales tactics are sooo ingrained in the books. 

 

I might have to get a 2nd hand codex and just take a big old sharpie to it to cross out all the pictures and references to Cadia. It might be cathartic... 

 

I do prefer HH's approach where they don't specify things so hard. Ruinstorm list was simply amazing! "use something about yea big, with claws or something halfway sharp at least".

 

I'm not sure why I'm having such issues letting go of 40k for a while... I enjoy every aspect of HH more after all. 

[War of the Eagle]

I'm of almost the opposite approach to this, I find it amazing I can mentaly scratch out [Cadian] or [Catchigan] all over the book and just put [Steel Legion] or in my case [Traitor] build a model with the right base and weapons and go yup that's them all right. -wink-

[bristlybadger]

That's a good mindset! Hopefully I'll come around to the same... just... need to get that sharpie.. ;) 

[Emperor Ming]

Same, scratch out cadians, insert praetorians

[War of the Eagle]

I would have never in a 100 years used Sly Marbo, not because he's not funny but because he's Catichans. But now I can rebranded Sly Marbo to "Sneaky Pete"

 

Oh ans don't forget Iron Arm Steven, and Ursila Karen.

Edited November 14, 2022 by War of the Eagle

[Sawtooth]

I notice Chimeras let an embarked officer issue a single order, which is interesting. Is there a role for a command squad in one as a roving command post?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

29 minutes ago, Sawtooth said:

I notice Chimeras let an embarked officer issue a single order, which is interesting. Is there a role for a command squad in one as a roving command post?

Roving command post probably not, but you can toss a squad with a castellan into a chimera, disembark the squad and issue an order from within the chimera.

[Emperor Ming]

Order 1 command squads being 75 is rather disappointing, old cost for that would be 50 and then being moved to an hq slot on top

[sairence]

9 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

Order 1 command squads being 75 is rather disappointing, old cost for that would be 50 and then being moved to an hq slot on top

In fairness, the whole unit gets character protection and has much more utility now. The banner upgrade alone with its rr 1s to wound aura is incredibly good. Add to that increased order range, 24 instead of 18 from the Vox and I think it makes sense.

 

Besides...a lot of Guard lists will have a good 100 - 150 points spare anyway, thanks to not needing 3 Demo TCs anymore. :D

[Emperor Ming]

New example lists on warcom, all 3 lists are wrong

 

What a shambles

 

Codex: Astra Militarum Lets You Build Themed Armies, or Just Deploy As Many Characters As Possible - Warhammer Community (warhammer-community.com)

Edited November 14, 2022 by Emperor Ming

[Schlitzaf]

Can I fill battlelion witj generics (infantry) hq options w/o repeating? Is my main question now

[Warhead01]

I'm sad that we can't field an entire army of roughriders.  I find that idea 100% more exciting and entertaining that a list full of characters. 

[sairence]

1 hour ago, Emperor Ming said:

New example lists on warcom, 2 of the 3 lists are wrong

 

What a shambles

 

Codex: Astra Militarum Lets You Build Themed Armies, or Just Deploy As Many Characters As Possible - Warhammer Community (warhammer-community.com)

They're not wrong, they're just not matched play lists. Rule of 3 etc only applies to that, while GW themselves tend to put a pretty heavy narrative slant on a lot of things. Like these lists.

 

The only actual error I can see is when they said Vanguard while meaning Spearhead.

 

[Emperor Ming]

So on the 1st list, it is a points-based list, the article says so, even if you go way back, and assume they use out of date rules (why would you?) the rule of 3 is there. It not just a magical tournament rule

 

on the 3rd list, even if it wasn't matched, there's no way to dodge the hq restrictions as its a codex thing

 

In both cases you could say both players agree to ignore those rules....

Edited November 14, 2022 by Emperor Ming

[Closet Skeleton]

1 hour ago, Emperor Ming said:

So on the 1st list, it is a points-based list, the article says so, even if you go way back, and assume they use out of date rules (why would you?) the rule of 3 is there. It not just a magical tournament rule

 

Rule of 2/3 (incursion/strike force) is literally just a mission pack rule in 9th ed, not a matched play rule. Its repeated in pretty much all official mission packs (sometime without the rule of 2 for smaller games) but its not a house rule to not use it.

 

I still kind of wish here was a way to get more HW teams in most games though as I own too many.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Closet Skeleton

[angrom]

two questions here.

If infantry is embarked in chimeras do we have any way to give them order (since it's happening in command phase) other than disembarking an officer from transport that turn?

 

Also if we give orders to the bulgrim unit with the lord solar, do these order splash to another bulgrim unit nearby?

[sairence]

I believe bouncing orders now key off the Platoon-keywors for infantry, and the Squadron-keyword for vehicles. Bullgryns don't have them I'm pretty sure, so no bounces, need to be ordered individually. 

[OldWherewolf]

What's interesting is that you don't need to get an officer out of the same transport as the unit that needs to be ordered.  Also, with mechanized infantry, good luck on stopping RND out of a valkyrie.

 

As for ordering Bullgryn, the order won't bounce *to* Bullgryn, but they might bounce *from* bullgryn to nearby units.  It just depends on the wording