Fury of the Ancients, all Dreads or add other Lines?

[Lord Krungharr]

Going to the city Thursday for Heresy night, not sure what to bring.  I haven't tried FotA yet and really want to use my old Rogue Trader Contemptors in Iron Warriors.  But I only have the 3, thus only 2 scoring units.  I could bring 3 box Dreads plus some Siege Tyrants, maybe some Terminators or Destroyers; I also have a Kharybdis, 2 Dreadclaws, and 2 Scorpius tanks, and a Javelin speeder.  But ya know, these are my friends   Also, sure does seem like having more Line is a good thing.  2 Contemptors could go down.  They'll be playing World Eaters w many Land Raiders, or the other guy has Death Guard with who knows what.

 

[Chaoself]

I have yet to play the rite of war myself. My idea is to back up the Contemptors with 2 Squads of tactical legionarys to hang around in my deployment zone and grab some  objectives late game.

[Lord Krungharr]

Yeah, I think that's probably a wise choice.  I think I'll do that, possibly with a Dreadclaw or two.  Once I see what he has I can decide if they should zoom in or deepstrike or just not and then use Heat Blasts to harass his Rampagers and Berzerkers or whatever WE uses in HH.

[arnesh88]

Don't you technically have 3 scoring units? Contemptor Dreadnought talons can have up to 3 dreads, meaning you can have 2 in one troops slot, and 1 in another, meeting the minimum required?

[Chaoself]

1 hour ago, arnesh88 said:

Don't you technically have 3 scoring units? Contemptor Dreadnought talons can have up to 3 dreads, meaning you can have 2 in one troops slot, and 1 in another, meeting the minimum required?

 

 

One Contemptor serves as hq choice. :)

[arnesh88]

2 hours ago, Chaoself said:

 

 

One Contemptor serves as hq choice. :)

Whelp, that's a "dur" on my part :P

[Lord Krungharr]

I like that my HQ one can have his buddy Morti tag alongside him 

[Xenith]

Just realised that the benefit to line is for the whole talon, meaning up to 6 LINE contemptors in a list...

 

18 hours ago, arnesh88 said:

Contemptor Dreadnought talons can have up to 3 dreads, meaning you can have 2 in one troops slot, and 1 in another

 

[Lord Krungharr]

I guess one could probably fit like 10 Contemptors in a FotA army, 3x3 as Troops, which would be really hard to move off objectives, plus the Warlord w the upgrade, and smatterings of weapons.  Not terrible actually!  But for my Iron Warriors I require all old metal Dreadnoughts (the Rogue Trader ones for Contemptors, I have 3 metal Chaos Castra-Ferrum ones too)...which I guess isn't really too much more expensive than new Contemptors.  

 

Hmmm, perhaps 1 each Line unit w lascannon, 1 melta cannon, 1 w dual claws.  I think the points might be there actually.  

[oldhat]

Remember that once they are deployed, they act independently. So, you can park your Lascannon/Fist dudes on backfield objectives and send a wave of Dreads forward with Meltas/Chainfists and Plasma/Fists to pressure the opponent's objectives.

 

You can for sure fit 10 Dreads - easily. My WIP Iron Hands list has 7 Contemptors, 4 Deredeos and a Pod Levi.

[Lord Krungharr]

Oh, I didn't catch that part about Talons.  Well that changes some loadouts.  Deredeos might need to happen though.  Those are pretty neat.  If I can figure a decent way to convert some oldies to those, I'll do so.

[oldhat]

3 hours ago, Lord Krungharr said:

Oh, I didn't catch that part about Talons.  Well that changes some loadouts.  Deredeos might need to happen though.  Those are pretty neat.  If I can figure a decent way to convert some oldies to those, I'll do so.

 

Got any of those old RT Era Eddy Dreads?

[Lord Krungharr]

On 10/13/2022 at 3:39 PM, oldhat said:

 

Got any of those old RT Era Eddy Dreads?

Yeah those are my 3 that I have. Then three box Dreads for elites (the metal 2nd/3rd edition Chaos ones).   Next time I'll use them in a unit I think.

 

I fought my friends Crimson Path WE last night in two games.  He had Delegatus, 2x10 despoilers w fist Sgt, 3x10 Rampagers w Jumppacks/all paired falax blades w fist Sgts, three bare bones Proteus speeders, and 10 lascannon HSS.  

 

I had the Bloody Handed dual lascannon Contemptor w helical and a joined Mortifactor, melta chainfist/fist Contemptor and dual fist/bolter one, 20 tacticals w Sgt w lance and artificer armor and vexilla, box Dreads w lascannon and graviton maul, box Dreads w gravis shrapnel cannon, 10 siege tyrants w primus medicae Cataphractii.   

 

Table had LOTSA terrain.  

 

First mission he went first, long board edge normal deployment, five objectives scattered for end of game scoring.   He ran up the Rampagers and I moved up w dreads and tac squad, and moved sideways w siege tyrants to get a firing line.   Ended up over two turns with one of his despoilers and rampager units falling back off the table, a boxy and cont charging his despoilers in the center, and the other Line cont charging and sweeping his left unit of Rampagers.  So he conceded.

 

Then we switched table sides and had table quarter deployment w 18" empty land bubble in center, attrition w slay warlord and get units into enemy quarters.  He went first again and I was at a big disadvantage this time with a big building and rock in my way so had to split up my forces.  He used his speeders very effectively to absorb overwatch and never shot me either game to avoid return fire.   I couldn't catch up on points after he slayed my warlord and my tyrants we're whittled down from falax blades from fighting (and splattering!) So many Rampagers. 

 

 Good stuff.  I would change outy tacticals to 2x10, and either get rhinos or even Dreadclaws for them. Mortifactor absorbed some wounds for warlord dread but I'd rather have transports for the tac squad. OR might be better to take recon squads as the extra line units despite being Iron Warriors.   Or one of each perhaps.   I'd take a claw on the general too w a melts gun.  Needs to be able to fight!  Love how Conts explode w str 8 though.  Killed like 8 Rampagers w that over two games :)

 

[Noserenda]

The space crusade dreads make great old school deredeos if you can source enough of the right guns :)

If i ran Fota i wouldnt run any non dreadnought troops, they are going to be super vulnerable to anti infantry gunners looking for something to do!

 

Edited October 22, 2022 by Noserenda

[oldhat]

On 10/14/2022 at 6:03 PM, Lord Krungharr said:

Yeah those are my 3 that I have. Then three box Dreads for elites (the metal 2nd/3rd edition Chaos ones).   Next time I'll use them in a unit I think.

The Eddy is the Deredeo, before it was redone for HH. I think if you kit those right, they would be a solid callback. Though visually, Noserenda is right on. Those SC dreads would look the part if you could find conversion parts for the weapons.

[Blitzjager]

I have a pair of old "Chuck" dreadnoughs that I used Cortis-Contemptors in 1ed HH.

 

[Lord Krungharr]

Space Crusade you say?  I've seen a couple for sale but for some reason thought they were tiny, like Epic sized for a board game or something.

[Noserenda]

14 minutes ago, Lord Krungharr said:

Space Crusade you say?  I've seen a couple for sale but for some reason thought they were tiny, like Epic sized for a board game or something.

Oh yeah the Original epic chaos dreadnoughts were that pattern :)