L30n1d4s Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I was re-reading the new verbiage for Combat Doctrines (which replaces the old Combat Doctrine rules entirely) from the Balance Dataslate and, guess what... they took away the restriction that the AP bonuses from Combat Doctrines can't stack with other bonus AP rules unless specifically stated. There are not a lot of cases for this, but where it matters, being able to improve AP by -2 or even more can be very significant. Anyway, just thought I'd share this discovery here... cheers and happy gaming! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377167-small-but-significant-balance-datasheet-change/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 One example being the Storm of Fire Warlord Trait. What others can people think of? L30n1d4s 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377167-small-but-significant-balance-datasheet-change/#findComment-5899814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Ultramarines get their own, Tactical Expertise. I actually think being able to stack these things is a good idea as they're generally tied to bolters and under utilised abilities. Nice find! I think many people including me missed it. L30n1d4s 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377167-small-but-significant-balance-datasheet-change/#findComment-5899824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I always liked SoF ! Captain Idaho 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377167-small-but-significant-balance-datasheet-change/#findComment-5899844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 7 hours ago, L30n1d4s said: I was re-reading the new verbiage for Combat Doctrines (which replaces the old Combat Doctrine rules entirely) from the Balance Dataslate and, guess what... they took away the restriction that the AP bonuses from Combat Doctrines can't stack with other bonus AP rules unless specifically stated. There are not a lot of cases for this, but where it matters, being able to improve AP by -2 or even more can be very significant. Anyway, just thought I'd share this discovery here... cheers and happy gaming! So are you saying this would overwrite the BRB’s ban on stack buffs/debuffs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377167-small-but-significant-balance-datasheet-change/#findComment-5899872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
L30n1d4s Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 I think that ban is only on to hit and to wound rolls, if I recall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377167-small-but-significant-balance-datasheet-change/#findComment-5899878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 I believe you are correct there. Storm of Fire and Martial Precision seem interesting to me as an Ultramarines player now eh. 10 Terminators dropping in, with a Captain, Fury of the First, maybe even a Chaplain with Catechism of Fire to really put the pain on a target. Sure, it's a lot of investment but then the Terminators, Captain etc can be used turn on turn anyway. BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377167-small-but-significant-balance-datasheet-change/#findComment-5899895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
L30n1d4s Posted January 14, 2023 Author Share Posted January 14, 2023 My favorite tactic with this so far is putting "Unfailing Nerve," Tactical Doctrine, and +1 to hit/+1 to wound on my Castellans of the Rift Aggressors... that means at 9" they get 30 x S4 AP-2 Dmg1 shots, plus another 5D6 S4 AP-1 Dmg1 shots, all hitting on 2+s with +1 to wound... this shooting can even kill T7 vehicles/Monsters with average rolling and does a number on most infantry, and that is not even counting in all their PF attacks in melee later in the turn. BLACK BLŒ FLY and Djangomatic82 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377167-small-but-significant-balance-datasheet-change/#findComment-5899901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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