L30n1d4s Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 I guess they are back to 60 ppm now? Seems like a bit of whiplash here, from points updates just a few weeks ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Oddity Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Honestly feels like they either didn't intend to buff them or someone walked back on it really quick. Given the overall shifts in the metaI feel that a +5 for plasma (so 50 total) wouldn't have been that bad. Kallas 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Yeah does seem at odds with the rest of the points drops. The unit is still powerful but just on the expensive end of a glass cannon. Maybe if they didn't overheat at that points? Regardless, compared to Attack Bikes I just don't think they're worth it. 3 Attack Bikes are cheaper than 3 Inceptors and have 6 Multi-melta shots and 12 Bolter shots... compared to 3 Inceptors who have an average of 12 plasma shots that can kill themselves and potentially roll badly when you need lots of shots... I dunno. Just feels lacklustre. I think there's still use but I'm not sure I can recommend Inceptors to my friend right now. Kallas 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) Classic panic-nerf, GW's doing alot of those recently. I especially find the complete silence around the nerf annoying, they didn't even bother to rename the datasheet with the pointcosts (still "Mk.1") so one could really easily miss this stealth-nerf. Imo Plasma-Inceptors weren't really worth 60 ppm with AoC and without AoC they're a joke at 60 ppm. Then Bolter-Inceptors aren't really worth 40 ppm either (especially without AoC). I'm guessing we'll see their pointcosts change again in the future because iirc this means that Inceptors is the only Primaris-unit that didn't either get a pointdrop or free wargear (or both), so something is off. 40 ppm for Plasma Inceptors might be on the lower end, so maybe something like 35 ppm for Bolter-variants and 45-50 for Plasma. We'll see I guess. Edit: And you raise a good point @Captain Idaho , why bring 3 Plasma Inceptors for 180 pts when you can bring 3 MM Attack Bikes for 150 pts (who have more wounds and movement). Inceptors can deepstrike I guess but thats about it... Edited January 25, 2023 by Minsc Khornestar, painting.for.my.sanity, XeonDragon and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 There’s really not one reason to complain and that is the truth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 This was one purchase I initially bought as a bit of a meta chase, and they were nerfed before I got to use them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Ikka Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 I'll still use them, but at 10 points per gun they aren't worth it in a competitive space. 5 points would have been alright to differentiate them from the assault bolter versions, and would have them on the knife-edge of being worthwhile, depending on your chapter and intended use. Seems like it was an inadvertent mistake rather than intentional issue, given the quickness of the reversal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 5 hours ago, Lord_Ikka said: Seems like it was an inadvertent mistake rather than intentional issue, given the quickness of the reversal. Possibly, but in that case how would people have determined that it was a mistake? Plasmaceptors are just one unit out of a great many that got significant points cuts and free wargear. Were plasmaceptors uniquely powerful compared to something like free Melta spam or unlimited thunder hammers/storm shields? I do not think so. Karhedron, WrathOfTheLion and Kallas 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 It's a change that there's no way to gauge whether it was intentional or a mistake at first, in the sea of other points drops and wargear costs being elided. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 47 minutes ago, phandaal said: Were plasmaceptors uniquely powerful compared to something like free Melta spam or unlimited thunder hammers/storm shields? I do not think so. Most of the free wargear comes in a continuum with various upgrades available. Plasmaceptors were a single upgrade that applied to the whole squad and made it significantly better. Making them free effectively invalidated Bolterceptors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Karhedron said: Most of the free wargear comes in a continuum with various upgrades available. Plasmaceptors were a single upgrade that applied to the whole squad and made it significantly better. Making them free effectively invalidated Bolterceptors. Some units do have more options available, but those options can still invalidate the baseline. Free jump packs on Assault Marines invalidate the footsloggers. Et cetera. Looking at the vast amount of free wargear other units got across the board, no one would have concluded that this particular buff was a mistake. Edited January 26, 2023 by phandaal Inquisitor_Lensoven and XeonDragon 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 2 hours ago, Karhedron said: Most of the free wargear comes in a continuum with various upgrades available. Plasmaceptors were a single upgrade that applied to the whole squad and made it significantly better. Making them free effectively invalidated Bolterceptors. "Making X free invaildates Y" can be said about a bunch of our units though, it was never unique to Inceptors. phandaal, painting.for.my.sanity, Inquisitor_Lensoven and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Minsc said: "Making X free invaildates Y" can be said about a bunch of our units though, it was never unique to Inceptors. True but I think Inceptors were the most extreme example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Karhedron said: True but I think Inceptors were the most extreme example. Keep in mind, this is not just making plasma exterminators "not free." It is returning plasmaceptors to the level where they were already considered too expensive. Before the loss of Armor of Contempt, and before other shooting units got buffed. Extreme indeed. Khornestar and Kallas 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 It’s not the end of the world though. I’ll still take a five man squad for my Smurves. phandaal and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValourousHeart Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 2:03 PM, Mr. Oddity said: Honestly feels like they either didn't intend to buff them or someone walked back on it really quick. Given the overall shifts in the metaI feel that a +5 for plasma (so 50 total) wouldn't have been that bad. I miss read that change, I thought it was 50 for plasma. Hopefully they stealth edit an "s" in there to make it for both guns, since you can't buy 1 at a time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5903784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacitus Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 I have 5 Bolter and 5 Plasma (Technically 6 but non-multiples of 5 out of 100 company marines gives me the heebie jeebies) I'm not sure they ever should have been differently priced. I thought the difference between Bolt and Flame -storm Aggressors was far larger. When they were the same price, I'd look at taking the 5 of each partnered up for an Alpha Drop of some kind, but now meh. Dracos 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/377315-plasma-inceptors/#findComment-5907036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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