Y'know what grinds my gears? Mk7 in 30k.

[LunaWolesLoyalist]

I get it. It was at the Siege of Terra so go for it for a SOT army.

But slapping a 30k paint job on a mostly MK7 army is just lazy in my opinion. 

Anyone else bugged by this? I know end of the day they are all just little toy soldiers.

[Cactus]

I haven't seen this myself, but I can think of some situations where I would think that was the right choice. For example, what was the availabilty of models when they built the force? Are there a lot of jump pack units that haven't been well served in the official range?

[Dont-Be-Haten]

My seeker squad is a combination of the Space Marine Heroes line, mostly kitbashed and some non SMH models, there's some mk7 as well as mk7 legs on my speeders. No one really seems to mind them though, there's like 7 out of 60~70+ marines.

[SkimaskMohawk]

The only time "the wrong armour" ever irked me was the primaris army they showcased in white dwarf that was Heresy themed, but clearly a 40k army.  And that's because it was a 40k army.

 

A coat of paint on the appropriate models makes them heresy. Like really, buying the more expensive option is less lazy than painting the cheaper?

[bushman101]

I haven't really seen this

 

If new guy wants to try the game with their firstborn marines, then go ahead.

If someone wants to try a new unit and proxy, then sure.

Are they hard up for cash and just wanna play? I understand 

 

But long term and have the funds? I'd advocate getting setting appropriate stuff

[Brofist]

I haven't seen it either, but sure, given the time I put into the hobby, it wouldn't be somebody I play regularly. The factors bushman101 listed would totally apply though.

 

What grinds my gears more? People bringing in the toxic 40k competitive approach to the hobby. I haven't seen many in person, but I've seen them. I'm not talking playing the game to win, I'm talking unbased 3 color FOTA lists slapped together before an event only to get firesold on ebay when the meta changes. :cuss:ty ass net lists that don't even take the top tables and suck the life out of the game along the way. Events with lifeless terrain and no painting requirements push this sort of thing even if they don't intend to.

 

I don't want that to take root the community. Thankfully people have kept it in check.

[Rejects of Anvilus]

Do you know what grinds my gears? People creating lazy posts to try and cause controversy…

[Pacific81]

I would say if someone has taken the time to paint an army in heresy-era colours, at least that constitutes making the effort. And you don't know, it's an expensive hobby (before the new plastics, possibly the most expensive miniature wargaming hobby possible) so I would sympathise someone wants to play and has got some cheap 2nd hand mk7s off eBay.

I would say these days it's a bit less excusable as we have the mass produced and much cheaper plastic armour marks, but it's still out of reach for a lot of hobbyists.

 

Perhaps context is the important thing here. I would be fine with someone that is tired of the 40k ratrace and wants to try out their army in 30k before making the jump. Or someone I know who can't afford a new army and is doing what they can. But, would have less time for someone deliberately turning up at themed 30k narrative event and high-fiving themself for being a contrarian, where most of the attendees have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours lovingly creating their armies and so it sticks out like a sore thumb.

[sarabando]

im ok with it if the army should have it in an inworld setting. 

 

my fists are a SOT themed force who were defending the mk7 production plants so they wear a hodgepodge of mk7 and other bits. some of my SOH bikers have mk7 legs simply because its next to impossible to get non mk7 legs for bikes for not silly money. However effort has been made to convert them. 

 

Back in the day all we had was mk7 and 6 in plastic and loads of guys on this forum made some of the most impressive conversions you will ever see from mk7, into mk4, 5, and even 2/3.  

 

If you are talking just taking a 40k tac squad and saying they are heresy sure im not a fan but if youeve even passed by my threads you know i already play fast and loose :D 

 

primaris are right out, straight to jail. 

[Stitch5000]

Genuinely if somebody has a vision for a 30k force that includes the use of mk7 (or even Primaris) models, or uses mk7 (or primaris) models to represent their own reimagining of what space marines look like, I'm fine with it.

The key points here though are it being a concerted and clear choice to represent something using alternative models. Essentially if the net result was MORE creative effort being used to brimg something you imagined to life, rather than LESS, I am all for it. 

[Xenith]

Hi and welcome to the B&C!

 

As you've seen the B&C is gnerally welcoming and tolerant, with the thought and effort that goes into stuff going a lot further than armour marks! As with the sentiments above, I think the effort and intent is more telling - someone using badly painted mk7 tacs as a whatever unit, yea, that's not great. The odd smattering of Mk7 through an army, or even the use of it in a customised fashion, like a pre-production Mk7 would be cool and fine.

 

Like, the Alpha legion had access to Mk6 when most legions were still peeling the stickers off their Mk4. No reason to doubt they might have captured some plans for early Mk7 designs during the heresy and started limited runs, or even realised the vulnerability of exposed chest cables and made mostions to cover them up to make a mk 6.5. 

[Spagunk]

It is worthwhile to note that there is a bit of fluff regarding forgeworlds prior to the outbreak of the HH where in many if not all the major forgeworlds were linked through an STC network. So conceivably early prototypes were all mapped out in some form or another. I could see an early mk7 being concepts in some form or even parts being outlined.

 

So if someone lovingly crafted mk7 in a very bare-bones way (I.E. Aquila scraped off, maybe non-mk7 shoulders or something), I'd say that would be acceptable. Otherwise it would be somewhat disheartening to come in with mk7 boiz in a setting noted for being largely mk6 and lower. It really depends on the situation but it still feels bad if the opponent is insistent/bullheaded about it.

Mk8, on the other hand, I would say is 100% not a thing as that was something WAY after the HH setting and almost entirely Imperial.
 

Edited February 7, 2023 by Spagunk

[Bung]

19 hours ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

The only time "the wrong armour" ever irked me was the primaris army they showcased in white dwarf that was Heresy themed, but clearly a 40k army.  And that's because it was a 40k army.

 

A coat of paint on the appropriate models makes them heresy. Like really, buying the more expensive option is less lazy than painting the cheaper?

 

You think of Simons Primaris Marines painted in SoH colors?

 

That army was never intended for 30k.

Simon painted them that way cause he liked the colors, the rest was a fail by the WD Team.

 

[SkimaskMohawk]

18 minutes ago, Bung said:

 

You think of Simons Primaris Marines painted in SoH colors?

 

That army was never intended for 30k.

Simon painted them that way cause he liked the colors, the rest was a fail by the WD Team.

 

 

Oh for sure; it wasn't the creators fault for them mislabeling it. But what I'm trying to say is that that mislabeling event was the only time "the wrong armour" bothered me.

[Brofist]

Yeah, by and large the heresy community is really chill

[Bung]

10 hours ago, SkimaskMohawk said:

 

Oh for sure; it wasn't the creators fault for them mislabeling it. But what I'm trying to say is that that mislabeling event was the only time "the wrong armour" bothered me.

 

Ok, i understand.

I dislike Simon for other reasons after i Met him a few times personly, but i have to say this time it wasnt at least his fault 

[Pacific81]

8 hours ago, Brofist said:

Yeah, by and large the heresy community is really chill

Have you seen the FB groups after someone posts asking for a Legion tier list?

[Slave to Darkness]

45 minutes ago, Pacific81 said:

Have you seen the FB groups after someone posts asking for a Legion tier list?

Ahh yes FB groups... Im glad I have not logged in for nearly a year. 

[Pacific81]

To be fair they are mostly quite pleasant. I'm not sure why it happened as I don't keep up to date with 40k goings-on, but there was a flood of 40k players that suddenly appeared at one point, with a few examples of that sort of question (I think also with a fair bit of deliberate trolling, as they knew it would get a rise) and following that a bit of 'tribal warfare' lots of blocked comments etc.

[Dont-Be-Haten]

4 hours ago, Pacific81 said:

Have you seen the FB groups after someone posts asking for a Legion tier list?

I think it just depends. Social media everywhere can be toxic. Some of the groups have a TSA before you can post there. Although I do believe there is a very huge trap of sensationalism that happens and gers echoed across multiple media platforms.

 

Maybe this is just my opinion, and i dont want to come across as negative, but things like Homebrew rules, such as that panto-thingy some frater has done for heresy, sorry can't remember the name ive just seen it float across a couple comments. It isnt anything I'll ever use personally or try to introduce to any locals I'mtrying to get into 30k, or Pardo's newest creation to try and self regulate often times is frowned upon. Those posts are widely received with overwhelmingly negative feedback (at least from the 50+ comments I read through).

 

Other than Mark VII there's also Custodes. They are very strong in 30k, are widely available because of their 40k presence but I still read and have had conversations with some individuals who do not agree with playing non forgeworld jetbikes because of weapon loadouts or because people don't want worse looking jetbikes on the table and would rather just run those instead of the Forgeworld one.

 

Self regulation is a great start. At the LVO out of 70 odd players, only one brought a Fury of the Ancients list, and they only did that for day 3 in the competitive tournament that only had 6 players.

 

[Bung]

5 hours ago, Pacific81 said:

Have you seen the FB groups after someone posts asking for a Legion tier list?

 

Some better known youtuber made some tier list videos after reading the rules, or mined an ocean worth of salt with that topic like TOC.

[Dont-Be-Haten]

3 minutes ago, Bung said:

 

Some better known youtuber made some tier list videos after reading the rules, or mined an ocean worth of salt with that topic like TOC.

Apparently my army is poo according to Black Briar gaming...or was it the outer circle? Anyway I've won a fair amount more than I've lost. We have a running joke about it at locals.

[arnesh88]

I would be more okay with MK 7....if they release an expansion that covers The Scouring. In my local area, I would even consider handwaving people bringing MK 7 armour, only because I'm desperate for more games. There's literally only 2 people I can get games with consistently, and even now, they're not free much because they're prepping for other events at Adepticon.

[Bung]

59 minutes ago, Dont-Be-Haten said:

Apparently my army is poo according to Black Briar gaming...or was it the outer circle? Anyway I've won a fair amount more than I've lost. We have a running joke about it at locals.

 

I play Fists since First Edition, some Videos didnt really help.

 

[Brofist]

7 hours ago, Pacific81 said:

Have you seen the FB groups after someone posts asking for a Legion tier list?

 

Have you seen 40k groups after somebody posts a tier list