There should be Chaos Xeno Characters for every Xeno subfaction

[Moonreaper666]

The best way to introduce Chaos Xenos into Tabletop and Lore. One Named Character for every type of Chaos Xeno. Here are my ideas:

 

-La Kais from the Fire Warrior game as a Khornate Tau Lord to be the main archenemy of Farsight

 

-A half-Ethereal half-Earth caste Nurgle worshipping Tau Warpsmith with ties to the Dark Mechanicum. Focusing his new Psyker Powers and knowledge to make more ways to kill someone

 

-A Khornate Beast-ork Stormboss for Khornate Greenskins as a rival for Ghazghakul

 

-A Plagued Patriach for Nurgle Genestealer Cults who is dedicated to infecting other Genestealer Cults

 

-A Tzeentchian Dark Eldar Half-born Warrior whom worships Chaos because there aren't enough slaves to torture and rejuvenate all of the Dark Eldar's lifespans

 

-A Khornate Craftworld Eldar who doesn't want to die from old age and is obssessed with fighting

 

-An Exodite Undivided Daemon Prince whom worships the Four so he could retrieve the souls of his dead family and friends to turn them into Daemons to stay by his side forever

[Karhedron]

Except that GW have given very good reasons in fluff why most Xenos have little affinity with Chaos.

 

Eldar souls are already belong to Slaanesh except for the special cases of Harlequins or Ynnari. An Eldar turning to Chaos would simply get eaten immeadiately.

 

Orks have their own gods in the warp (Gork and Mork) and they exist in symbiosis with them. Oomie gods would be of no appeal to Orks.

 

Tau have very little warp presence and do not interest daemons.

 

Tyranids (and by extension Genstealers) originate from outside our galaxy. They are already psychically connected to the Hive Mind. An indivdual cult turning to Chaos would make no sense, it would be like one finger deciding to change religion while the rest of the person does not.

 

Necrons have no souls so nothing to corrupt.

 

I don't know enough about the Votann fluff yet to comment.

 

Basically Chaos is largely a Humancentric phenomenon apart from the special case of Eldar/Slaanesh.

[Emperor Ming]

Exactly as Karhedron states

 

Something outside the current lore is just a pipedream/fanfiction

[Brother Tyler]

I think that there is definitely room for Chaosified members of most of the xenos species in the setting. A Morkified Ork would be quite interesting, and it would be fascinating to see an example of Aeldari that survived within the Eye of Terror (referred to in 1st and 2nd edition lore).

 

Spoiler

"Even so, [Daemon Worlds in the Eye of Terror] are not devoid of life, but are home to countless mortal followers and champions of the Chaos Powers as well as immortal daemons and their masters. Among the mortal inhabitants can still be found Eldar, some preserved since the time of the Fall, who champion the cause of Chaos on the Daemon Worlds and throughout the galaxy." (Warhammer 40,000 Compilation)

 

"The last of the true Eldar eventually deserted their planets on board the few remaining spacecraft, beginning a new phase of Eldar civilization - the age of spaceborne travel and the Craftworlds. The creatures that screamed and cackled over the ruins of the Eldar worlds could no longer be called Eldar." (Warhammer 40,000 Compilation)

 

"To the Eldar, [the Eldar worlds within the Eye of Terror] are known as the Crone Worlds. According to tradition the Crone Worlds still preserve some of the Eldar's greatest treasures despite the changes that Chaos was wrought upon them. It is said that there are worlds where Eldar still live, the descendants of Chaos worshipping Eldar of ancient times, spared or re-created by Slaanesh to serve his evil purpose..." (Codex: Eldar 2nd Edition)

 

The problem, I think, is that the setting is focused on Humanity (despite the inclusion of xenos races). Chaos, though explicitly described as applying on a near universal scale, is largely portrayed in terms of its relationship with Humanity. The Imperium of Mankind is a dystopian creation, embodying evils that none of us should hope to see in the development of Mankind. Chaos is even worse in its evil (though it is not, strictly speaking, "good" or "evil" in the cosmic sense) - a dark and corrupted reflection of a very flawed subject. Chaos existed before Humanity, and will exist long after Humanity is extinct, but in the Warhammer 40,000 setting, Chaos is the primary antagonist to the "good" [but definitely not "good"] Imperium of Humanity. Giving more emphasis to the xenos elements of Chaos would adversely affect that aspect of the setting. It would be consistent with the lore, yes, but it would take away from the primary struggle that is the focus of the setting.

[Slave to Darkness]

We have already had Chaos Orks and Chaos Stealer Cults before in 1st edition, and Chaos worshiping Eldar do exist in the lore as well as mentioned above. Would be nice to see them back again, 

[Lord_Caerolion]

On 2/20/2023 at 6:43 AM, Karhedron said:

Except that GW have given very good reasons in fluff why most Xenos have little affinity with Chaos.

 

Eldar souls are already belong to Slaanesh except for the special cases of Harlequins or Ynnari. An Eldar turning to Chaos would simply get eaten immeadiately.

 

Orks have their own gods in the warp (Gork and Mork) and they exist in symbiosis with them. Oomie gods would be of no appeal to Orks.

 

Tau have very little warp presence and do not interest daemons.

 

Tyranids (and by extension Genstealers) originate from outside our galaxy. They are already psychically connected to the Hive Mind. An indivdual cult turning to Chaos would make no sense, it would be like one finger deciding to change religion while the rest of the person does not.

 

Necrons have no souls so nothing to corrupt.

 

I don't know enough about the Votann fluff yet to comment.

 

Basically Chaos is largely a Humancentric phenomenon apart from the special case of Eldar/Slaanesh.

To be fair though, a lack of a soul is no real protection of Chaos corruption outside of actual Null capabilities. Chaos can corrupt planets, it can affect ships, it can mutate the very earth itself. You don’t have to be a psyker to fall under the influence of a daemon and start being controlled by it. 
 

Are more powerful souls more tempting to a daemon? Sure. Are daemons going to pass on a Tau soul if it’s the only thing around, just because it’s not a human? No, no more than a person dying of starvation would pass up a sandwich because they actually want prime rib. 
 

The real answer is because it’s a wargame, and each faction needs to be shown as distinct. Orks are already their own thing, their own archetype. Currently, there’s no room to also have Chaos Orks, etc. 

 

In a perfect world, sure, we should be able to have Chaos everything, as well as Genestealer Cult everything (well other than Genestealer-tainted Necrons or Astartes. Genestealer-tainted Daemons either, but Daemon-tainted Genestealer cults could arguably exist). 
 

The whole threat of Chaos is its insidiousness. The Imperials believe in the Emperor as much as Orks believe in Gork/Mork, why should Orks get a pass on “lol but they love their gods too much to be corrupted”. 

[Moonreaper666]

Khornate Orks and Nurgle Plague Genestealer Cults were reintroduced into Canon through new books (The Bloodied Rose) or new Codexes (Genestealer Cult Edition Supplement)

 

The novelization of Fire Warrior (I know the author sucks) does have La Kais fall to Khorne which actually makes sense (No ordinary Fire Warrior can beat Space Marines and Vehicles on his own!!!)

[Closet Skeleton]

On 2/21/2023 at 11:29 PM, Slave to Darkness said:

We have already had Chaos Orks and Chaos Stealer Cults before in 1st edition, and Chaos worshiping Eldar do exist in the lore as well as mentioned above. Would be nice to see them back again, 

 

First edition was even more insistant on there being no such thing as Chaos Orks than any subsequent edition. This sort of misinformation is a clear sign of people not reading the actual first edition books. First edition is pretty clear that although non-humans can worship chaos with the exception of Slaanesh the Chaos pantheon is a human pantheon and not universal. Its only the dominance of humans in the galaxy that makes chaos an issue. First time true chaos orks appeared in 40k was the 3rd edition Daemonhunters codex.

 

Possessed Genestealer Patriarchs also predates the actual development of the Tyranid fluff.

 

On 2/22/2023 at 8:49 AM, Lord_Caerolion said:

The Imperials believe in the Emperor as much as Orks believe in Gork/Mork, why should Orks get a pass on “lol but they love their gods too much to be corrupted”. 

 

Orks aren't immune to chaos because of Gork and Mork, they're immune because of their zen-like perfect lack of angst. They have no hidden desires, no lust, no depression, no anxiety, no hatred, no anger. They hold no grudges and have no self esteem to lose or maintain, they just know to respect the big ones and pick on the smaller ones with no resentment or jealousy. They are 100% content with whatever existance throws at them except for boredom and they can always get around that by just fighting each other.

[Slave to Darkness]

45 minutes ago, Closet Skeleton said:

 

First edition was even more insistant on there being no such thing as Chaos Orks than any subsequent edition. This sort of misinformation is a clear sign of people not reading the actual first edition books.

 

 

I HAVE read the books, I still play 1st edition, Ive never stopped. 

[Moonreaper666]

On 3/1/2023 at 3:51 PM, Closet Skeleton said:

 

First edition was even more insistant on there being no such thing as Chaos Orks than any subsequent edition. This sort of misinformation is a clear sign of people not reading the actual first edition books. First edition is pretty clear that although non-humans can worship chaos with the exception of Slaanesh the Chaos pantheon is a human pantheon and not universal. Its only the dominance of humans in the galaxy that makes chaos an issue. First time true chaos orks appeared in 40k was the 3rd edition Daemonhunters codex.

 

Possessed Genestealer Patriarchs also predates the actual development of the Tyranid fluff.

 

 

Orks aren't immune to chaos because of Gork and Mork, they're immune because of their zen-like perfect lack of angst. They have no hidden desires, no lust, no depression, no anxiety, no hatred, no anger. They hold no grudges and have no self esteem to lose or maintain, they just know to respect the big ones and pick on the smaller ones with no resentment or jealousy. They are 100% content with whatever existance throws at them except for boredom and they can always get around that by just fighting each other.

 

Too bad recent Novels/Codexes refute 1st Edition

 

Genestealer Cult Codex Supplement has one Nurgle corrupted Genestealer Cult

 

In the Sisters of Battle Novella the Bloodied Rose there are Khornate Orks

 

CS Goto is crap but his novelization of the Fire Warrior game make sense by having the protagonist fall to Khorne. The only way ONE Fire Warrior can kill DOZENS of Space Marines on his own is through Chaos buffs

[Slave to Darkness]

18 hours ago, Moonreaper666 said:

 

Too bad recent Novels/Codexes refute 1st Edition

 

Also the post I made was from 1st edition, that was the edition they pushed for Chaos Orks, they even released minis for them, and Genestealer Orks. Chaos xenos have always been in the lore, just ignored on table.