Thinking about getting a small Ultras Force

[WolfLogic]

To give a bit of background, I currently play Ultramarines in the Horus Heresy, which is my first and so far only Tabletop Game. The LGS I play at has the 2 of the Scions of Ultramar boxes and it's made me interested in collecting a small army of Primaris Ultras to play 40k with. I'm not necessarily dead set on that box but I do like what it comes with.

 

What should I start with? Two Boxes of Intercessors, a Primaris Captain, and a Primaris Librarian? That would allow me to have a battalion detachment (which when I looking into 40k at the start of 8th edition was the standard Force Org) from there a Redemptor and maybe some kind of vehicle? 

 

I'd like advice on where to start, troop squad sizes, and general things that would be good to know about the rules to help with my potential purchases. Thanks for all the help. 

Cheers!

[Tacitus]

Doing Calgar + LT (+ Tiggy if you want) isn't bad.  I tend to run Guilliman + Tiggy with the new AOO Det.  I tend to fluff/theme the list with 6+1 or 10 5+ model INFANTRY units.  If 6 1 from each Battle company 1 from the 10th, if 10, 1 from each company, and 20-30 Tactical pads, 10 Assault Pads, 10 Dev Pads (as an extra challenge I try and balance the shoulderpad icons to be fluffy too) -  That usually lands me in the 50-60 model army range.  I'm about ready to start playing with Desolators to see where that lands me. 

 

Theme 1:

Spoiler

++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Ultramarines) [123 PL, 3CP, 1,985pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Ultramarines

Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Troops

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) 

Detachment Command Cost

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

+ HQ +

Chief Librarian Tigurius [7 PL, 120pts]

+ Troops +

Heavy Intercessor Squad [7 PL, 115pts]: Heavy bolt rifle, Heavy bolter
. 4x Heavy Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Heavy Intercessor Sergeant

Heavy Intercessor Squad [7 PL, 115pts]: Heavy bolt rifle, Heavy bolter
. 4x Heavy Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Heavy Intercessor Sergeant

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Haywire Mine
. 4x Incursor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades
. Incursor Sergeant

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 100pts]: Helix gauntlet
. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine
. Infiltrator Sergeant

+ Elites +

Aggressor Squad [12 PL, 150pts]: 4x Aggressor, Aggressor Sergeant
. Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

Bladeguard Veteran Squad [10 PL, -1CP, 175pts]
. 4x Bladeguard Veteran: 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 4x Master-crafted power sword, 4x Storm Shield
. Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant: Plasma pistol, Stratagem: Honoured Sergeant, Sunwrath Pistol

Primaris Ancient [5 PL, -2CP, 85pts]: Chapter Command: Chapter Ancient, Standard of Macragge Inviolate, Steadfast Example, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Stratagem: Relic of the Chapter

Primaris Apothecary [5 PL, -2CP, 100pts]: Acquittal, Chapter Command:  Chief Apothecary, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Stratagem: Relic of the Chapter

+ Fast Attack +

Storm Speeder Hailstrike [7 PL, 115pts]

Storm Speeder Hammerstrike  [8 PL, 125pts]

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 75pts]: Las Fusil
. Eliminator Sergeant: Las Fusil
. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Gladiator Reaper [10 PL, 150pts]: Auto Launchers, Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber

Gladiator Valiant  [11 PL, 170pts]: Auto Launchers, Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber

+ Lord of War +

Roboute Guilliman [19 PL, 2CP, 300pts]: Nobility Made Manifest, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord

++ Total: [123 PL, 3CP, 1,985pts] ++

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Theme 2: 

Spoiler

++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Ultramarines) [119 PL, 2CP, 1,970pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selector**: Ultramarines

Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Troops

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) 

Detachment Command Cost

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

+ HQ +

Chief Librarian Tigurius [7 PL, 120pts]

+ Troops +

Assault Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]
. 4x Assault Intercessor: 4x Astartes Chainsword, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol
. Assault Intercessor Sgt: Plasma pistol, Power fist

Heavy Intercessor Squad [7 PL, 115pts]: Heavy bolt rifle, Heavy bolter
. 4x Heavy Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Heavy Intercessor Sergeant

Heavy Intercessor Squad [7 PL, 115pts]: Heavy bolt rifle, Heavy bolter
. 4x Heavy Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Heavy Intercessor Sergeant

Incursor Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Haywire Mine
. 4x Incursor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Occulus bolt carbine, 4x Paired combat blades
. Incursor Sergeant

Infiltrator Squad [6 PL, 100pts]: Helix gauntlet
. 4x Infiltrator: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Marksman bolt carbine
. Infiltrator Sergeant

Tactical Squad [10 PL, 180pts]
. 7x Space Marine: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Boltgun, 7x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Power sword
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Grav-cannon
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun

+ Elites +

Aggressor Squad [12 PL, 150pts]: 4x Aggressor, Aggressor Sergeant
. Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

Bladeguard Veteran Squad [10 PL, -1CP, 175pts]
. 4x Bladeguard Veteran: 4x Frag & Krak grenades, 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 4x Master-crafted power sword, 4x Storm Shield
. Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant: Plasma pistol, Stratagem: Honoured Sergeant, Sunwrath Pistol

Primaris Ancient [5 PL, -2CP, 85pts]: Chapter Command: Chapter Ancient, Standard of Macragge Inviolate, Steadfast Example, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Stratagem: Relic of the Chapter

Primaris Apothecary [5 PL, -2CP, 100pts]: Acquittal, Chapter Command:  Chief Apothecary, Selfless Healer, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Stratagem: Relic of the Chapter

Victrix Honour Guard [3 PL, 55pts]

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 75pts]: Las Fusil
. Eliminator Sergeant: Las Fusil
. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Eradicator Squad [14 PL, -1CP, 225pts]: Melta rifle
. 4x Eradicator: 4x Bolt pistol
. Eradicator Sgt: Master-Crafted Weapon, Stratagem: Honoured Sergeant

+ Lord of War +

Roboute Guilliman [19 PL, 2CP, 300pts]: Nobility Made Manifest, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord

++ Total: [119 PL, 2CP, 1,970pts] ++

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Looking at the contents:  Based on order of "need"  Tiggy, Calgar/Victrix (they're a combined box even seperate but you can take them seperately) BGV, Intercessors, and last Hellblasters.  Tiggy (and the Victrix) are likely to be in your Calgar and Guilliamn lists.  BGV will also be an almost de rigueur choice.  Intercessors are likely to be in the bottom half of troops choices - you've got 6th, and they're pretty much a threeway tie for last.  Which isn't to say they're bad.  You just have a lot of good options - and your first three choices are likely to be Heavy Intercessors and at least one of the "scout" Primaris Infiltrators/Incursors.   As you can see in one of my options I paired three "scout" primaris - the Infiltrators to shoot, the Incursors to fight, and the Eliminators to Anti Tank Shoot and all three can park on one or two deep field neutral objectives (Use the Troops not the Eliminators) to Sticky Cap them. 

 

So IF you agree with that evalation and the box is still enough value added to work for you (also check how many shoulderpads you get from 2 upgrade packs):

You'll still (probably) want:

 

• At least one Indomitus Box if you can get your hands on it(and don't mind pre-release kits without upgrades): 

1. That gets you:
2. The current package of "Space Marines: Honoured of the Chapter" which gets you
3. 3 more BGV to get 5/6 units
4. The BGV characters (Ancient, Lieurtenant, and Captain)
5. A Chaplain
6. The Judiciar (who isn't bad but tends to get lost)

• Also in Indomitus 3 Outrider bikes - like the Judiciar Good, but tends to get lost behind other choices.
• 10 Assault Intercessors (Another of the 3 way tied for 4th place Troops)
• 3 Eradicators

 

So you'd still want:

• Guilliman
• At least a couple boxes of Heavy Intercessors
• A couple boxes of Infiltrators/Incursors
• One more box of Eradicators to get to 5/6

Then you start getting into your swap/flavor units you like.  Speeders, bikes, tanks, aircraft, transports, Firstborn,  

 

I'm not sure which part of that is more overwhelming - cost or painting time.  So take em in small bites. 

[beefeb]

have a look around on ebay for victrix guard and calgar....theres a lot floating around from the recent imperium magazine which non ultramarines collectors are offloading so you might be able to get a bargain.

 

welcome to the blue by the way, great choice.

 

Im more a collector than a player, as such i cant really assist with army choice from a gaming perspective, but the beauty of the ultramarines, being the GW poster boys, is that you can choose just about anything from the marine range to use.   In the couple of games i do play, i always fall back on lots of blocks of intercessors, including assault intercessors and dreadnoughts.  The few vehicles i use are usually invader apc, outriders and stormspeeders.....these always play well, though not sure if they are the most 'optimal' choice.

 

Remember you can use your 30k tanks in 40k too, so just bring some of them over as chapter relics. 

[greatcrusade08]

Do you know what is better than thinking about it???

 

 

Doing it..

 

welcome aboard